Hi

I am doing project at work where I have to assimulate our audits to include FAR145, ECAR145 and AS9100. FAR and ECAR are quite easy to understand as I am used to working to there requirements but as for AS9100 well..........

Is there a matrix available that x refers either all or some of the above. Your help would be appreciated.

thanks

colin

Hi Colin,

I have tried to do about the same a couple of weeks ago, however, as concerns the corresponding European standard EN 9100 and EASA Part 21 (design, development, production).

As far as I know there is a separate standard AS 9110 for maintenance organisations. So if you want to do a matrix it might be better to refer to AS 9110 vs. FAR145, EASA Part 145.

AS 9100 is more focussed on companies that are involved in design, development and production.

(Re: ECAR
As far as I know, ECAR145 has only been a draft and has been replaced by EASA Part 145 that has been in force since 28 Sep. 2003).

No matter whether AS 9100 or 9110, both standards require a lot more than FAR/EASA Part 145.

Basis of the AS 9100 series is ISO 9001:2000, so if you know the latter, you will get an idea of what is missing in FAR/EASA Part 145.

If I can be of any further help to you, you can also contact me directly via my e-mail address a-artinger@freenet.de

Angelika.

Hi you guys -

What is ECAR?

Hi you guys -

What is ECAR?ECAR=EUROPEAN CIVIL AVIATION REQUIREMENT
EASA=European Aviation Safety Agency

Hello Colin, Well this is how I am going to do it:

In the back of AC145-9 is a group of questions to help with a desk audit of the required documentation and forms. I have used that for auditing our RSM and forms initially.
We are AS9100B registered and have our FAR Part 145 Inspection on Tuesday.
I will combine our Internal Audits of AS9100 and the Repair Station by stating so on the plan, report and all other documents pertaining to the audit. It will be process based, just like AS9100, covering all of the processses and procedures of the Repair Station as stated in the RSM. This will be accomplished at least once a year. For AS9100, I will try to cover all of the areas at least once throughout the year.
We are on an annual surveilance schedule with our registrar and I like to keep my bases covered.
Hope that helps.

Paula:)
Hi

I am doing project at work where I have to assimulate our audits to include FAR145, ECAR145 and AS9100. FAR and ECAR are quite easy to understand as I am used to working to there requirements but as for AS9100 well..........

Is there a matrix available that x refers either all or some of the above. Your help would be appreciated.

thanks

colin

Go Paula Go!! Good luck Tuesday!!

Thanks Cari!

Paula

Good luck. Would like to see your audit plan and how you have integrated both AS and FAR.

thanks

colin

Thanks Colin, As soon as I get one together I will post it here. Well we passed our FAA Inspection on Tuesday and will be receiving our Part 145 Certificate in about 3 weeks. It will be a great way to bring in the New Year! Especially since it was one of our Quality Objectives to achieve by 2005!!!!

Congratulations, that's great!!

Hi,
I'm new to the cove and to the aviation industry. :bigwave: I'm looking for the post of the matrix linking EASA 145 and EN9110. I have developed one myself, but want to compare with something to make sure I've covered everything. I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to one.

Also any thoughts on ANAB accompanying on a first time EN9110 certification audits?

Thanks in advance. :thanx:

Here are a couple items that I have stumbled upon over the last few years. They may be a bit dated for your usage but they are still good examples nonetheless. I will not vouch for their accuracy.

Hi QualityGirl
There is good and bad news about ANAB attending your audit. The good news as they are not there to look at you, they're there to look at the Registrar. Make sure that they keep to this protocol, I have been at an audit where the accreditation body auditor started to take over and had to remind him he was there to witness the registration auditor.

The bad news, the auditor will probably be at their pedantic best as they are trying to impress the ANAB auditor who is watching. This means they may be a bit more picky about audit issues than normal.

In my experience accreditation body auditors are very experienced and worth a good deal to the industry. I have been impressed with all but one who have witness audited me.

Good Luck.

Chris

PS Your rugby team's going well, good to see you stuff the Aussies!!!

Thanks Chris,
Both for the advice and wishes with the audit and the compliment on our rugby team - roll on the six nations and the world cup! I'm a Munster fan myself and was delighted to be at the Heineken Cup Final in Cardiff this year - it's a good year for Irish rugby no doubt!:tg:

Hi QualityGirl
Ahh, a true rugby supporter, NZ versus Ireland in the World Cup final perhaps ???

How's Christian Cullen going?

You should get through AS9110 pretty easily if you're already 145 approved. There are just a couple of areas that AS9110 puts a bit more emphasis on, things like the control of technical data and there seems to be very little emphasis on tool control in 145 which is a bit surprising. At a recent audit I completed for AS9110, the two areas above were the main weaknesses.

The main difference between 145 approved organisations doing AS9110 and companies going for AS9100 is that your systems are well and truely in place and been externally audited by EASA, FAA or CAA-UK therefore robust and well implemented.

Some AS9100 applicants have not been audited by aerospace regulators and if their ISO 9001 auditors do not have an aerospace background, the companies tend to struggle with much of the detail in AS9100.

Good luck with your project.

Cheers

Chris

PS Dare I mention "the tackle?"

Thanks Chris and everyone else for the advise and support. The audit is next month so I'll let you know how it goes. The regulators are very experienced in the area so that will be of great benefit to us.

P.S. Honoured to receive compliments on our rugby from a kiwi! :bigwave:

Hi All,
Just to let you know that the audit went better than anyone expected. Zero non-conformances and a score of 100% (using EN9111). Our cert should be arriving early in the new year. Thanks to all in the cove who helped - either directly or indirectly, with the sharing of knowledge. Looking forward to the new year and further interactions with all of you.

Happy New Year Everyone!

Here are a couple items that I have stumbled upon over the last few years. They may be a bit dated for your usage but they are still good examples nonetheless. I will not vouch for their accuracy.

Dear everybody,
I am new member, I am working for a company providing aircraft equipment in Asia.
We are establishing a system according to both of AS9100 anf FAR 21G. Could you advice us the reference between these standards ? A cross reference Matrix is very easy to understand.
Thanks for your help.
Clara

I have tried to do about the same a couple of weeks ago, however, as concerns the corresponding European standard EN 9100 and EASA Part 21 (design, development, production).

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If I can be of any further help to you, you can also contact me directly via my e-mail address a-artinger@freenet.de

Angelika.

Hi Angelika,

I am currently trying to build a cross reference between EN 9100 / ISO 9001:2000 and EASA Part 21 (especialy Subpart J at the moment).

What have you been able to come up with? are you willing to share with us?

Regards
Florent

Hi Angelika,

I am currently trying to build a cross reference between EN 9100 / ISO 9001:2000 and EASA Part 21 (especialy Subpart J at the moment).

What have you been able to come up with? are you willing to share with us?

Regards
Florent

Hello Florent,

Welcome to The Cove Forums! :bigwave: :bigwave:

You are referring to a 4-year old post. Angelika's last visit here was last August. I hope that she will read your post and respond.

Stijloor.

In fact I also sent her an Email and got a reply not long after


Hi Florent,

Thanks for your e-mail. I cannot really remember when I did the trial of cross-referencing EN 9100 vs. Part 21 but I think I never finished it. I also think it was more focussed on 21 G – Production Approval. Otherwise, I would have been happy to share it with you.

However, as to your question: Part 21 is a rather comprehensive document and it is in fact difficult to find out which processes are required to be in compliance with Part 21, Subpart J. There are a lot of legal requirements which are not part of EN 9100 and which must be complied with additionally to obtain EASA approval. As to the “real” design work, however, chapter 7.3 Design of EN 9100 can be really helpful since it explains in much more detail the principles of doing design work and performing tests etc.

Apart from the design processes, you need further processes as for example “classification”, “determining the TC-Basis”, “Instructions for continued airworthiness”, “configuration management” (though this is also part of EN 9100, EN 9100 is not really informative) etc.

Hope this helps!
What I find hard in Part21 Subpart J is that all required processes are not stated clearly in one place AMC No 2 to 21A.243(a) is a start but you still have to crawl through the documentation to regroup all required procedures and what they must contain.

On the other hand ISO 9100 is more structured and goes forward more logically thus it is easier to see if you are missing a procedure even those that are specific to Part 21 Subpart J.

ex:
In Subpart J AMC No 2 to 21A.243(a) Data Requierements - Model of Handbook for organisation... is roughly in the middle p150 and Managment of the handbook AMC Administration of the handbook is at the end p165 this is not the way in which the DOA handbook should be structured.

Oh alright i'm bickering...

Thanks for welcoming me Stijloor!