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Caster
14th December 2004, 12:11 PM
I have inherited a CSP-1 plan. We x-ray castings using this plan. It was set up before my time by someone who is no longer with the company. I now have to try to justify its use to a customer.

I have spent a lot of time on this site as well as the excellent site by Stan Hilliard www.samplingplans.com (http://www.samplingplans.com/).

The plan seems unique in that there is no “lot submitted for inspection” as such. Instead, a sample is taken from a moving conveyor, and an acceptance decision is made based on that sample. If there are defects in the sample, you go to 100% inspection until “i” or the clearance quantity of parts checks OK. This allows a return to sampling from 100% inspection. Can anyone explain the statistical basis for this?

This design is well suited to the way parts move through our process, and I would like to keep it.

However, it seems to me that the way we use this plan is overly “producer friendly”. It also appears to me to have a very high consumer risk. I want to determine the consumer risk for this plan. And that is a problem for me.

The copy of the standard I have is almost illegible. I can’t easily read the OC curves.

I would like to develop my own OC curve, but I don’t know what distribution this plan is based on.

I’m confused by the use of a sampling frequency instead of sample size

It seems that I first select a sampling frequency code letter based on the number of units in the production interval (Table I). For example for 501-1200 units I can select code letters A through F.

This then lets me select sampling frequency “f” from ½ all the way to 1/10 (Table II-A).

For example if we had 750 units in the production interval at a frequency of 1/10 my sample size is 75? Can I then make an OC curve using this sample size and Poisson method?

Or does anyone know how to generate the OC curve for a CSP-1 plan?

Failing this, I may default to good old MIL STD 105. Defining a lot and a sample from that lot is going to be a challenge however. Any ideas for this when parts flow by on a conveyor?


Thanks as always!

Al Rosen
14th December 2004, 01:43 PM
I have inherited a CSP-1 plan. We x-ray castings using this plan. It was set up before my time by someone who is no longer with the company. I now have to try to justify its use to a customer.

I have spent a lot of time on this site as well as the excellent site by Stan Hilliard www.samplingplans.com (http://www.samplingplans.com/).

The plan seems unique in that there is no “lot submitted for inspection” as such. Instead, a sample is taken from a moving conveyor, and an acceptance decision is made based on that sample. If there are defects in the sample, you go to 100% inspection until “i” or the clearance quantity of parts checks OK. This allows a return to sampling from 100% inspection. Can anyone explain the statistical basis for this?

This design is well suited to the way parts move through our process, and I would like to keep it.

However, it seems to me that the way we use this plan is overly “producer friendly”. It also appears to me to have a very high consumer risk. I want to determine the consumer risk for this plan. And that is a problem for me.

The copy of the standard I have is almost illegible. I can’t easily read the OC curves.

I would like to develop my own OC curve, but I don’t know what distribution this plan is based on.

I’m confused by the use of a sampling frequency instead of sample size

It seems that I first select a sampling frequency code letter based on the number of units in the production interval (Table I). For example for 501-1200 units I can select code letters A through F.

This then lets me select sampling frequency “f” from ½ all the way to 1/10 (Table II-A).

For example if we had 750 units in the production interval at a frequency of 1/10 my sample size is 75? Can I then make an OC curve using this sample size and Poisson method?

Or does anyone know how to generate the OC curve for a CSP-1 plan?

Failing this, I may default to good old MIL STD 105. Defining a lot and a sample from that lot is going to be a challenge however. Any ideas for this when parts flow by on a conveyor?


Thanks as always! Caster, try the following resources:




How to Perform Continuous Sampling Second Edition, By Kenneth S. Stephens
SQC ONLINE (http://iew3.technion.ac.il/sqconline/index.html)
GERT ANALYSIS OF DODGE’S CSP-1 CONTINUOUS SAMPLING PLAN (http://sankhya.isical.ac.in/search/servlet/Weight?path=56b3/56b3049.pdf)

Tim Folkerts
14th December 2004, 02:36 PM
Caster,

You might also check milstd1235c.pdf (http://elsmar.com/pdf_files/Military%20Standards/) which has a scanned copy available on-line. It took a while to download when I tried, so be patient. Also, the quality isn't great on some of the graphs, so it may not be a whole lot more legible than the copy you have.

Tim F

Douglas E. Purdy
15th December 2004, 10:31 AM
Tim,

Did you happen to download the pdf? If so, would you send along to me? I could not download.

Thanks,
Doug

Tim Folkerts
15th December 2004, 12:28 PM
Perhaps a better link would have been one step back at http://variation.com/techlib/standard.html This has a link to the MIL-STD-1235 document (and several others as well). Another option is ***DEAD LINK REMOVED*** which has many of the MIL-STD docs available (plus other defense related documents).

The file is pretty big - 21 MB - so it could take several minutes to several hours to download depending on your connection. You might try the "save target as" (or whatever your browser calls it) and simply put a copy on your hard drive. If that doesn't work, I could try attaching it here or emailing it, but I'm not sure how well an attachment that size would work.

Tim F

Douglas E. Purdy
16th December 2004, 10:05 AM
Tim,

Got it. No problems.

Thanks!
Doug

Caster
16th December 2004, 02:43 PM
Caster, try the following resources:


How to Perform Continuous Sampling Second Edition, By Kenneth S. Stephens
SQC ONLINE (http://www.sqconline.com/)
GERT ANALYSIS OF DODGE’S CSP-1 CONTINUOUS SAMPLING PLAN.pdf (http://sankhya.isical.ac.in/search/servlet/Weight?path=56b3/56b3049.pdf)

Al

Thanks...the book is on order.

All I have to say about the GERT analysis paper is :confused:

I did some more googling and have found several other papers/articles. It is tough going, but I'll keep at it.

Thanks

Al Rosen
16th December 2004, 03:22 PM
All I have to say about the GERT analysis paper is :confused: I know what you mean. It requires familiarity with network analysis. It's not exactly lavatory reading.