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How about if, instead of "getting rid of all incompetent auditors," we establish a good method for helping them to become competent?"

If the system, process, component, part, etc has been Designed to meet all influences it encounters during its life cycle (concept to grave - process / material / people / environment / equipment variabilty - see Pugh) why do we need to audit...?

If the system, process, component, part, etc has been Designed to meet all influences it encounters during its life cycle (concept to grave - process / material / people / environment / equipment variabilty - see Pugh) why do we need to audit...?
We don't necessarily NEED third party auditors, but if you have your own internal auditors, you can use them as part of your "continual improvement process" and "management review."

Of course, using your philosophy (and I wish it were so), we wouldn't need police or soldiers, because EVERYONE knows the "right thing to do" to follow the plan for peaceful co-existence.:rolleyes:

Name - Sandeep Kumar

If you could change the world of quality, what would you do?- There is more need to change Quality professional than changing the whole world. We need to change the impression that Quality people are holy people and rest all are cheats. You see more mess up of papers in Quality departments, while we teach 5S. Lets set an example and we will see a much better world.
Smiles! I like that! Welcome to the Cove Sandeep:bigwave: I hope you have a lot to contribute to help those with less experience.

If the system, process, component, part, etc has been Designed to meet all influences it encounters during its life cycle (concept to grave - process / material / people / environment / equipment variabilty - see Pugh) why do we need to audit...?

Marco, you work for (probably) one of the most challenging business environments that I can think of. The pace of technology development in motor racing, with special emphasis in F1 can only be described as mind boggling.

What you describe above makes perfect sense, but for the most part, it only happens in LA LA Land. It would be business nirvana to achieve what you describe. I think we should strive for that, but realizing that, depending on your business environment, one might be eons from getting close to that goal. To have design processes that robust that could eliminate ALL potential failure modes is like ending world hunger.

Now, think a minute about your last season. Your engine supplier/partner's reliability left a lot to be desired. How thourough were the failure investigations of the causes for the DNF's? You see, failure investigation could be perceived as non value added, but if we can prevent recurrence of the same problem, it is adding value.

I hope you post some more here. I can only dream of your daily challenges...

And good luck to your team in the 05 season.

If the system, process, component, part, etc has been Designed to meet all influences it encounters during its life cycle (concept to grave - process / material / people / environment / equipment variabilty - see Pugh) why do we need to audit...?

In the design phase, there are verification and validation steps...audits, if you will, that the design meets requirements and expectations. This is constantly done using wind tunnels, road tests, and data analysis during (and after) every practice session and race. All with the intent to maintain - and in some cases improve - the design of the car and its components.

An audit of the system is the same thing. It is a verification and validation of the system as a whole...beyond the design. It a 'check' to ensure the processes are in place to guarantee that our pit crew place the proper tires out for the incoming car. It is a 'check' to ensure we have the proper tools to conduct data analysis and have the ability to translate the data into valuable information.

Best of luck in 2005...I know who I'm cheering for...my little shrine to my fave team is all set for the upcoming season.

If the system, process, component, part, etc has been Designed to meet all influences it encounters during its life cycle (concept to grave - process / material / people / environment / equipment variabilty - see Pugh) why do we need to audit...?

Uh, do you have tire gauges, suspension gauges, gas test kits, etc. for your car(s)? Isn't the use of these a type of audit?

Why measure the temperature of a tire if the suspension has been set properly in the first place? Why bother with oil pressure gauges?

I appreciate your goal of no audits, but in the real world, with all of its changing conditions, we will still need audits. Unless, of course we choose to call them something else. Actually, I have heard them called something else, but I will not repeat that here.

Thread split from the "Introduce Yourself" thread.

http://www.toyota-f1-media.com/jobs/displayjob4.php?job=67&area=production

Six Sigma Quality Process Engineer

The purpose of the job and main job responsiblilities
• Analyse existing processes + implement new quality procedures for the in-house manufacturing, product quality and external suppliers.
• Perform internal audits in manufacturing, quality areas and collaborate with the audit of external suppliers.
• Train and develop the usage of quality analysis and improvement tools, PDCA cycles, etc.
• Handle admin. tasks in the department, write + keep up to date quality standards + procedures. Write quality reports for the management.
• Support our interfaces in terms of product quality and standardisation of processes with the suppliers, engineering, workshop and track.
• Ensure visualisation & feedback is given to all in-house manufacturing units.

Your profile
• Extensive knowledge of Six sigma and/or quality improvement methods with several years experience in the field of product quality assurance, geometrical and non-destructive measurement techniques is essential.
• Experience with FMEA analysis would be an advantage.
• Knowledge about ISO 9000 implementation would be an advantage.
• Experience in the field of automotive or aircraft industry supply chain quality processes is necessary
• Good English language skills (written and spoken).

A total commitment to meeting strict deadlines without compromising quality is imperative. If you believe you meet these requirements, please apply in writing including full CV and present salary details to:

:topic:

Ah, Sidney...I know that I'd love to apply for the job...but I don't know if I could ethically do it. I mean...working for one team, while cheering on another? :D

Okay, granted, my favourite driver is now with Toyota....but I cheer my favourite team, first and foremost. How ecstatic I was when my fave driver joined up with my fave team! How disappointed I was when results achieved did not matched the resulted expected. Such is the life of racing, I suppose...

...gearing up for the new season...vroom!vroom!...

Because of the country you are in, I would think your favourite driver is driving for Sauber this year.

Is your favorite driver the "HALF" Schumacher? :lmao:

Because of the country you are in, I would think your favourite driver is driving for Sauber this year.

Is your favorite driver the "HALF" Schumacher? :lmao:

While I'm thrilled that a Canuck is back on the grid, and I'm happy when he does well, yeah, the other "half" of the Schumacher clan is my favourite driver. But, I'm a Williams girl, first and foremost...got my limited edition had with a sponsors name on the back, got my jersey, got the models (including the lovely tusk-nose from 2004) and I watch all of the races live (even it means staying up until 3 or 4 in the morning for the Japanese GP).

Never watched F1 until Villeneuve moved over...but when he left Williams, I stayed with them.

So, you hope that this is what the rest of the field will see during the 05 season.


http://images.f1racing.net/large/39122.jpg

So, you hope that this is what the rest of the field will see during the 05 season.

I can but hope....I don't believe it will be a stellar year for us and I'm unsure about the relationship of Webber and Heidfeld, but I think it will be a consistent year with consistent finishes....unless that tyre rule comes into play. Can't change tires in the race?!?! I'm hoping I misheard that rule! And I've heard about a rule regarding engine changes that may result in the cars just parking themselves before finishing a race in order to get a "better" car for the next race...worried it will be a dirty season.

Can't change tires in the race?!?! I'm hoping I misheard that rule! And I've heard about a rule regarding engine changes that may result in the cars just parking themselves before finishing a race in order to get a "better" car for the next race...worried it will be a dirty season.

Yep, each driver will be "given" two sets of tires for the whole weekend. Most drivers will use one set to practice and the second one to qualify and race. Tire changes only allowed for replacing punctured ones and weather change (dry/weather). The engines will have to last two full weekends (practice/qualifying and race). I don't know what would happen if someone finishing out of the points in one race would change the engine for the following one.
Tire management will be an interesting twist to the races, imo.
Too bad the fast one is absent from the Forum. He could give us some insight on what teams are thinking.

“Of course, using your philosophy (and I wish it were so), we wouldn't need police or soldiers, because EVERYONE knows the "right thing to do" to follow the plan for peaceful co-existence.”

Yes…?

“You see, failure investigation could be perceived as non value added, but if we can prevent recurrence of the same problem, it is adding value”

Failure investigation is of no value, which does not mean we should not do it, I suppose my problem is with the who, surely this must be the responsibility of the area who generated the problem. Why wasn’t the thing that caused the failure defined, understood and rectified before it failed. If something does fail, find out why, fix it and then sack the Designer…

“An audit of the system is the same thing. It is a verification and validation of the system as a whole...beyond the design. It a 'check' to ensure the processes are in place to guarantee that our pit crew place the proper tires out for the incoming car. It is a 'check' to ensure we have the proper tools to conduct data analysis and have the ability to translate the data into valuable information.”

Nothing is beyond the Design as the Design is from concept to grave. I apologise for the vagueness of the original question, it should have read second and third party audits (what qualifies someone who does not perform the task to inform those that do that they are doing it wrong! Madness, get it right in the first place). The Designer must ensure that self checks are designed into the process, system etc to maintain and tune the stability of process, system etc through the Life Cycle.

“How disappointed I was when results achieved did not matched the resulted expected. Such is the life of racing, I suppose...”

It does make success that much sweeter…

“And I've heard about a rule regarding engine changes that may result in the cars just parking themselves before finishing a race in order to get a "better" car for the next race...worried it will be a dirty season.”

I think interpretation and understanding of the rules is a better phrase…

"Would 6S and ISO be imcompatible with F1 pace?"

Panasonic Toyota F1 finished 2004 in 8th place with 9 points. http://www.formula1.com/archive/team/2004.html

Failure investigation is of no value, which does not mean we should not do it, I suppose my problem is with the who, surely this must be the responsibility of the area who generated the problem. Why wasn’t the thing that caused the failure defined, understood and rectified before it failed. If something does fail, find out why, fix it and then sack the Designer…

Why do you say it is of no value?

Sometimes we do not fully understand the process despite our thinking to the contrary. You can not always design for all variables all of the time. Life happens. Your design is based upon variables that are most likely to occur...not upon all possibilities. A design is a compromise, built to address the majority of most likely variables.

The concept of identifying the variables prior to the potential issue occuring is known as Preventive Maintenance.

Investigation of failures should include determining actions that will reduce (if not erase) the probabilities of future recurrence.

Nothing is beyond the Design as the Design is from concept to grave. I apologise for the vagueness of the original question, it should have read second and third party audits (what qualifies someone who does not perform the task to inform those that do that they are doing it wrong! Madness, get it right in the first place). The Designer must ensure that self checks are designed into the process, system etc to maintain and tune the stability of process, system etc through the Life Cycle.

How do you improve the system? Yes, sometimes a person who lives and breathes the task develops ways to improve. An auditor is like having to spend a couple hours with a five-year old who constantly asks "Why?"

An auditor is also an unbiased point-of-view that you are following your system and processes. It is so others can have faith in your system...someone once said "In God we trust, in all others bring data." Audits conducted by people outside of the system provide objective evidence as to the health of the system.