I want to make sure I understand the role of the Accountable Manager. In my own mind (which is a scary place) I've equated this person with a Management Rep for ISO/AS. Who is the accountable manager at your Repair Station?

I want to make sure I understand the role of the Accountable Manager. In my own mind (which is a scary place) I've equated this person with a Management Rep for ISO/AS. Who is the accountable manager at your Repair Station?

I've attached our Org. Chart - I will add the names IAW 145.51(4) and 145.151(a). What do you think?

TIA!You're right! I think you can reference your Roster for the names. That way you won't have to revise both when there are personnel changes.

I am no expert in FAR 145, but from the AS9110 Standard, paragraph
5.5.1.1 Accountable Executive Manager: Top management shall appoint a manager with corporate authority to ensure that all ordered maintenance can be financed, the necessary resources obtained, and all ordered maintenance completed in accordance with all organization, customer, and Authority requirements.
it seems to me that the role of this individual is larger than the typical "management representative" in ISO 9001.

I am no expert in FAR 145, but from the AS9110 Standard, paragraph
5.5.1.1 Accountable Executive Manager: Top management shall appoint a manager with corporate authority to ensure that all ordered maintenance can be financed, the necessary resources obtained, and all ordered maintenance completed in accordance with all organization, customer, and Authority requirements.
it seems to me that the role of this individual is larger than the typical "management representative" in ISO 9001.That's not the same responsibilities as the "Accountable Manager" according to FAR 145. Notice that the operative word Executive is missing. See page 15 of AC145-9. (http://elsmar.com/Forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1874)

Thank you both. No one around here would call me an "executive" - but here at our 60 employee company - I would still qualify for the description from AS9110.

Thanks!!

Thank you both. No one around here would call me an "executive" - but here at our 60 employee company - I would still qualify for the description from AS9110.

Thanks!!Cari, also note that the AC org chart has the Accountable Manager reporting to the TOP DOG. Your Org Chart does not. How will that sit with your PI?

I think you can reference your Roster for the names.
That would be nice - I didn't read it that way.

145.51(4) An organizational chart of the repair station and the names and titles of managing and supervisory personnel;

Then there's 145.161(1) A roster of management and supervisory personnel that includes the names of the repair station officials who are responsible for its management and the names of its supervisors who oversee maintenance functions.

I really don't like having names in the org chart (I want to use the same one in both our Quality Policy Manual and our Repair Station Manual) and it does seem redundant to have the exact same info on an org chart AND a roster.

That would be nice - I didn't read it that way.

145.51(4) An organizational chart of the repair station and the names and titles of managing and supervisory personnel;

Then there's 145.161(1) A roster of management and supervisory personnel that includes the names of the repair station officials who are responsible for its management and the names of its supervisors who oversee maintenance functions.

I really don't like having names in the org chart (I want to use the same one in both our Quality Policy Manual and our Repair Station Manual) and it does seem redundant to have the exact same info on an org chart AND a roster.I recall the AC specifically stating not to put names on the ORG Chart. You should go over it with a fine tooth comb. It is easy to miss this kind of crap.

Cari, also note that the AC org chart has the Accountable Manager reporting to the TOP DOG. Your Org Chart does not. How will that sit with your PI?
The Plant Manager is my boss - he's second in command to the Pres. He runs the show around here. If it doesn't sit well with the PI, then we'll probably change it to make him the accountable manager - but I don't really foresee a problem. I'll think on that.

I went back and looked at the AC

CHAPTER 3. REPAIR STATION ORGANIZATION CHART

3-1. ORGANIZATION CHART.



a. Reference. Section 145.209(a).

b. The organization chart identifies (by title only) each management position with authority to act on behalf of the repair station. If the repair station performs work for air carriers or air operators under part 145, section 145.205, and is performing RII, the FAA suggests that the chart reflect the separation between the maintenance and inspection departments.

The I recall the AC specifically stating not to put names on the ORG Chart. You should go over it with a fine tooth comb. It is easy to miss this kind of crap.
I'll do that - I've had my nose in Part 145 for too long - I need to go back through the AC again.

Thanks!!

Cari

I work in a foreign repair station in Scotland

If the regulators heard me talk about equating the accountable manager to a 9001 management rep or the like, they would cut me off at the knees, Its got to be the top man/woman. Gets a bit more complicated if your a satellite site. Best regards

I'll do that - I've had my nose in Part 145 for too long - I need to go back through the AC again.

Thanks!!

Cari, 145.151 a states that you have to designate a repair station employee at the accountable manager. You can simply place (accountable manager) under one of the job titles on your org chart and/or state that the Such n Such Mgr is the Accountable Manager in your Repair Station Manual. You would normally want to have the person who will be the main contact with the PI be the Accountable Manager, IMO. :) But don't name names.

Hi Cari,

Have you ironed things out yet regarding 'Accountable Manager'?

The company I work for has three FAA Part 145 Certificated Repair Stations with additional approval certification to EASA Part 145. We cap (fill the gaps) with ISO9001:2000 QMS certification.

Regarding 'Accountable Manager', I have found it depends on which regulatory requirement you are complying with.

FAA FAR Part 145
§ 145.3 Definition of terms.
For the purposes of this part, the following definitions apply:
(a) Accountable manager means the person designated by the certificated repair station who is responsible for and has the authority over all repair station operations that are conducted under part 145, including ensuring that repair station personnel follow the regulations and serving as the primary contact with the FAA. Being on the corporate board with full financial authority is NOT required.

EASA Part 145
UNITED STATES PART-145 APPROVALS (MOA)
Foreign Part-145 organisations located in the United States are subject to the Bilateral Aviation Safety Agreement (BASA) and Maintenance Implementation Procedures (MIP).

Appendix 1 to EASA MIP Guidance Example Supplement
4. ACCOUNTABLE MANAGER'S COMMITMENT STATEMENT
This paragraph represents the agreement by the Accountable Manager that the organisation will comply with the conditions specified in the Supplement whilst operating in accordance with the EASA Part-145 approval. It includes recognition of the consequences of failing to meet either requirements or standards.

The accountable manager is usually the organisation's Chief Executive Officer (CEO) or President but can, in the largest organisation be the Vice President (Engineering) so long as he/she is on the corporate Board and has full financial authority.

Organizational Chart
Our Accountable Manager/Quality Assurance Director is responsible only to the President.

Our FAA/FSDO/PMI is satisfied with this organizational arrangement because the PMI holds a letter from the President/Owner who delegated 'Accountable Manager' responsibility to the Quality Assurance Director.

Visiting auditors from EASA/MIST this year were satisfied with the fact that although our Accountable Manager/Quality Assurance Director is not on the corporate board he does have full financial authority and exercises that authority when continued regulatory compliance is at stake.

This may be out of the norm, but it is how things work here.

So, by my experience FAA does NOT require 'full financial authority' whereas EASA does.

Hope this helps.

Have you ironed things out yet regarding 'Accountable Manager'?

...Accountable Manager/Quality Assurance Director is not on the corporate board he does have full financial authority and exercises that authority when continued regulatory compliance is at stake.

So, by my experience FAA does NOT require 'full financial authority' whereas EASA does.

Hope this helps.
It does - thanks. And yes, I've ironed things out - I've decided that they don't pay me enough to be held accountable for regulatory compliance. The President/CEO is the Accountable Manager - but he'll delegate me as the "guide" when the inspector shows up and I will still be the primary contact.

It does - thanks. And yes, I've ironed things out - I've decided that they don't pay me enough to be held accountable for regulatory compliance. The President/CEO is the Accountable Manager - but he'll delegate me as the "guide" when the inspector shows up and I will still be the primary contact.

Interesting that "you decided that they don't pay you enough to be held accountable". IMO that's the reason why regulators want an 'Accountable Manager' that is really high on the corporate ladder. Their pockets are deeper than yours and mine. :lmao:

Seriously though, it is common for the 'Accountable Manager' to delegate, as long as they truly remain 'accountable'.