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Marc
24th May 2005, 11:35 AM
DETROIT (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp. is recalling about 4,900 of its 2005 model-year Avalon sedans in the United States to fix a defect in the steering wheel column that could result in a loss of control of the vehicle, the company and U.S. safety regulators said on Monday.

"A portion of the steering column assembly may not have been welded correctly," Toyota spokesman John McCandless said.

The recall is another blow for the world's second-largest automaker, which last week recalled about 880,000 sport utility vehicles and pickups worldwide due to a defect in the front suspension that could hamper steering.

Weeks after its debut, Toyota's Georgetown, Ky.-built Avalon sedan is being recalled for steering problems.

Toyota spokeswoman Allison Takahashi said the steering column on some early production models was not welded properly. If the welds break, drivers could lose control.

"We had one customer report this condition to us, so we started our own investigation," Takahashi said.

No accidents have been attributed to the problem.

Toyota will send notices to nearly 4,900 customers on Thursday.

Drivers should take their vehicles to Toyota dealers for inspection and, potentially, replacement of the steering column.

Toyota began building the redesigned Avalon in January, but it did not start showing up at dealerships until April.

Toyota sold 9,229 Avalons in April, up from 3,344 in April 2004.

The recall comes on the heels of a larger Toyota callback. Last week it recalled 750,000 pickups and sport utility vehicles for suspension problems.

Toyota is a perennial leader in quality among mainstream automakers.

Separately, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said DaimlerChrysler AG is recalling 7,191 of its 2006 model-year Mercedes M-Class sport utility vehicles because a clamp that secures the power steering fluid cooling hose may be defective and could cause a loss of the fluid.

This could diminish power steering and lead to a crash, the NHTSA said.

In another safety action, Honda Motor Co. Ltd. is recalling 14,967 2005 model-year Element wagons because the trailer harness kit has an incorrectly wired connector.

"As a result, the trailer brake lamps and turn signal lamps could operate incorrectly, or a fuse could blow causing a sudden loss of brake and turn signal lamp function," the NHTSA said.

QChas
24th May 2005, 12:47 PM
Turn the clock back .... It's 1979 and I was in an accident that required extensive repairs to my 1978 Toyota Celica. When I got the car back the speedometer wasn't working. Took the car back and was told it wasn't related to the accident. This is a known problem with the car. When I asked about a recall, I was told "Toyota only recalls vehicles for safety reasons". I asked isn't this safety related? The answer ..... "Your car has a tachometer so you can gauge your speed by that". I actually sent a letter to Toyota and got the same response. Just think, here I am 1 year out of school as a Quality Engineer pumped on the Japenese Quality Programs so I purchase a Toyota based on low recall notices. Needless to say it was the last Toyota I purchased!

David Hartman
24th May 2005, 01:34 PM
Turn the clock back .... It's 1979 and I was in an accident that required extensive repairs to my 1978 Toyota Celica. When I got the car back the speedometer wasn't working. Took the car back and was told it wasn't related to the accident. This is a known problem with the car. When I asked about a recall, I was told "Toyota only recalls vehicles for safety reasons". I asked isn't this safety related? The answer ..... "Your car has a tachometer so you can gauge your speed by that". I actually sent a letter to Toyota and got the same response. Just think, here I am 1 year out of school as a Quality Engineer pumped on the Japenese Quality Programs so I purchase a Toyota based on low recall notices. Needless to say it was the last Toyota I purchased!

You have posted this twice now, and I just have to comment.

Do you remember the 1978 Ford Pinto, the 1978 Chevy Vega, or the 1978 Plymouth Volare? It has been 26 years and thankfully ALL of the worlds automotive manufacturers have made some very significant changes in their products and in their customer skills. Back in `78 Ford claimed that they were unaware of Pintos having a exploding gastank problem, GM wasn't convinced that the engine in Vega's leaked oil or that the bodies had rust through issues, and CryCo. just couldn't be convinced that the fenders on their Volare (et al) were rusting through (and with the exception of the Pinto gastank issue, none of the others were "safety" related issues).

So 26 years later, who do you trust to buy a vehicle from?

Bev D
24th May 2005, 01:36 PM
yes. We must remember that the Japanese culture has a well established cultural norm that if the 'powers that be' say it is so then it is even if it clearly isn't. (Iforget teh japanese term for it) This isn't japanese bashing - just stating a truth that is not so obvious. It was a very useful technique for maintaining order on small island with a large population...

Some 'quality' claims about the more famous japanese based companies are true - others not so true.

Wes Bucey
24th May 2005, 01:46 PM
Turn the clock back .... It's 1979 and I was in an accident that required extensive repairs to my 1978 Toyota Celica. When I got the car back the speedometer wasn't working. Took the car back and was told it wasn't related to the accident. This is a known problem with the car. When I asked about a recall, I was told "Toyota only recalls vehicles for safety reasons". I asked isn't this safety related? The answer ..... "Your car has a tachometer so you can gauge your speed by that". I actually sent a letter to Toyota and got the same response. Just think, here I am 1 year out of school as a Quality Engineer pumped on the Japenese Quality Programs so I purchase a Toyota based on low recall notices. Needless to say it was the last Toyota I purchased!
Simple question:
Was the speedometer ultimately repaired?
If yes, who paid?
If no, can you really gauge the speed with the tachometer?
(Ever hear of "Texas Overdrive"? - Truckers with speed governors on engines used to slip into neutral to go downhill faster than the governor (or speed limits) would allow. Tachometers would be in "idle" range. Apocryphal tales attributed the first use by Texans eager to get back home to cows after trips to west coast.)

QChas
24th May 2005, 05:33 PM
It was fixed and I paid for it! I actually was given a service bulletin that stated 3300 RPM = 55 mph (this was back when 55 was the speed limit). I am not "Japanese Bashing" just stating a fact. The point is back in 1979 we heard all about the Japanese quality and I had this happen. Makes you think doesn't it. I'm sure things have changed for the better but back then Toyota seemed to be more concerned on the number of recalls and how do define a problem. I have not had that luxary (or do I want it) of picking and choosing what a customer complaint is.

SteelMaiden
25th May 2005, 09:48 AM
I actually was given a service bulletin that stated 3300 RPM = 55 mph (this was back when 55 was the speed limit).

Oh, man, that is too funny!!!! as long as there is no wind, water, the humidity and temperature stay constant, right?:biglaugh:

Jim Wynne
25th May 2005, 09:56 AM
Oh, man, that is too funny!!!! as long as there is no wind, water, the humidity and temperature stay constant, right?:biglaugh:
It also assumes that the car is in gear, I suppose:D . Personally I don't think Toyota was wrong in not characterizing speedometers as safety devices. Believe it or not, as recently as about 10 years ago (the last time I looked) there were no state laws requiring cars to have speedometers, working or not. Safety with regard to speed is a relative matter; sometimes 10 mph is too fast, and sometimes 70 isn't fast enough. The prime utility of speedometers is in avoidance of speeding tickets. You don't need one to know that you're going too fast (or too slow) for safety.

jmp4429
25th May 2005, 10:19 AM
It also assumes that the car is in gear, I suppose:D .

In which gear? I know a few people who drive solely by the speedometer. I can just see my old roommate merging onto the interstate into 55 mph traffic doing 30 because the tach said 3300, but she was only in 2nd gear.

Granted, people like that shouldn't be allowed to drive, but NY State gave her a driver's license....

Jim Wynne
25th May 2005, 10:33 AM
In which gear? I know a few people who drive solely by the speedometer. I can just see my old roommate merging onto the interstate into 55 mph traffic doing 30 because the tach said 3300, but she was only in 2nd gear.

Granted, people like that shouldn't be allowed to drive, but NY State gave her a driver's license....
My point was that the transmission can be in neutral and the engine can be turning at 3300 rpm. By the same token the car can go 150 mph downhill, in neutral, with the engine turned off. If cars had to be made completely idiot-proof, you wouldn't be able to make them move. Speedometers aren't safety devices.

Ken K
25th May 2005, 11:31 AM
Do you remember the 1978 Ford Pinto, the 1978 Chevy Vega, or the 1978 Plymouth Volare? It has been 26 years and thankfully ALL of the worlds automotive manufacturers have made some very significant changes in their products and in their customer skills. Back in `78 Ford claimed that they were unaware of Pintos having a exploding gastank problem, GM wasn't convinced that the engine in Vega's leaked oil or that the bodies had rust through issues, and CryCo. just couldn't be convinced that the fenders on their Volare (et al) were rusting through (and with the exception of the Pinto gastank issue, none of the others were "safety" related issues).


Do you remember the Toyota pickups of the 70's and 80's with the rusted out beds? How many years did it take them to fix an obvious poor design?


So 26 years later, who do you trust to buy a vehicle from?

I'll continue to support GM and Ford and OUR economy.

qualeety
25th May 2005, 11:54 AM
Supporting GM and Ford and the economy is good concept.... but i wonder how GM and Ford will behave if there was no competition?

yes, supporting GM and Ford is good......as long as they do their part....and remember most Japanese cars are assembled in north america and support our economy as well.

Personally, I will NEVER buy Ford, GM or Chrysler...but then again, that is my opinion.

David Hartman
25th May 2005, 01:17 PM
If the Japanese automobiles are viewed as a whole over a period of decades beginning in the early 1970's looking at such criteria as target customer, style, materials (metals, clothe, paint, plastics, etc.), workmanship (fit, finish, and reliability), and use of technology/level of "standard" equipment provided; I believe that you will find that the rate of "improvement" from market entry level to world-class leaders was attained in approximately 2 decades. I can remember the first Honda Civic, and the first Toyota Corona that I had the opportunity to drive in the early 70's and can state that my impression at that time was that their design/technological level was about where the American manufacturers were in the early 60's.

Their rate of improvement/advancement was such that they caught up with (and in many ways surpassed) their US equivalents in less than 30 years.

Yes, the Japanese companies have their faults; and yes, I too am supporting our US manufacturers (I currently own a Dodge and a Pontiac), but I WILL NOT hide my head in the sand and pretend that the US makes the best there is for the money - and neither should the US auto manufacturers.

BTW: Check out the following post.

http://elsmar.com/Forums/showpost.php?p=109630&postcount=16