I really think we need some Cove T-shirts so we can identify each other out in public. Maybe someone could volunteer to design a T-shirt that we could get done through CafePress or something, with the proceeds benefitting the Cove?

I posted a poll to see if there would be enough interest to make it worth someone's while.

I sure would - but then again I'm a T-shirt nut :cool:

I like the idea!!

I'd love a Cove shirt, coffee mug, pen and all of the other usual stuff. I collect all types of been there done that shirts and gear. I would, however, prefer it to be a 'Golf' style shirt with a collar, short sleeves and a pocket. We could have the logo on the pocket. We should have a design competition!!!!!

I've thought about shirts and cups and things, and I admit I never really checked into it, but I *assume* I would have to buy several hundred or more. And I really don't think 50 people would buy. Not to mention, what - Hats? Cups? Shirts? (Please.... No pens...)

So - Have a design contest but I'm not sure I personally want to risk buying an inventory of things. I can see it now: 'Ye Olde Elsmar Cove Souvenir and Tea Shoppe"

It's great but for us not located in the US, it will be very expensive.

As an FYI - Everyone will have to vote again. I made this a public poll so we can see who is really interested.

I might consider memorabilia (mugs, other stuff like that) - I like the golf shirt idea - my golf courses don't allow players with collarless shirts (I note Tiger Woods played with a collarless shirt one of the U.S. Open days - maybe that's why he didn't win?)

Just a thought if we do go through with sales:

Once we pay for the logo to be transferred to a computer program, we could take orders and do fulfillment every couple of weeks as we get a dozen or so orders, each order drop shipped directly to buyer. There are fulfillment houses that would provide any kind of clothing - caps, polo shirts, T-shirts, even fabric tote bags and computer cases with the logo embroidered with computer-controlled machinery. In addition, the logo could be silk screened on to mugs, pens, cell phone "skins" - anything you can think of.

Think of the "Red Hat" ladies and their merchandise being sold everywhere!

I've put shirts together for a few events - including our annual Detroit pub crawl with about 40 participants. I use a local guy that was working out of his house with a seven station CNC embroidery machine in the living room. His big business is the Detroit Police Dept (retired from there), but he will still do single piece orders.

For embroidery the charge was $75 to digitize the graphics - one time charge. After that the charges are by the number of stiches. The logo I get from him is about 15,000 and he charges about $10 per item. The prices he gets on shirts are amazing - I've bought golf shirts that you see in the store with no logo for $50, for about $25 with a logo. Have even bought some plain stuff since his prices are so great.

For silk screen the setup charge is $35 per screen. For our last crawl I ordered about 50 long sleeve pigment dyed t-shirts with a full back and front left chest screen. Cost came to $20 per shirt including screens, tax, ... These are really nice shirts too - not the wash once and shrink/fall apart. The shirt from events 3-4 years ago still look great, except for the one my German Shepherd got to.

There may be extra artwork charges if they need to clean up graphics, scan, etc. I usually give him JPG files and they work great - and I am by no means good with computer graphics.

For embroidery stuff I usually pick a few items (t-shirt, couple styles of golf shirt, sweatshirt....) gather up everyone's order and place it at once - for his and my sanity, but he will do one off orders since it is easy on the CNC machine. First year I just added $3-5 to take care of the digitizing fee. Screens he may not want to set up for small volume. Might be more flexible now that he has his own building from what I hear.

He can also do the mugs, glasses, etc but these require bigger volumes since the screen probably can't be used for all items - a coffee mug would require a different screen than a beer stien, golf ball, etc.

My company also has a national web based company we go through that will do single piece orders, but their charges are much higher. I have nothing to do with the coordination of that, but the do handle the credit card charges, shipping, etc.

Let me know if you want more info on either of these companies - not sure if posting the links here would violate any of Marc's advertising no-no's.

Tom

Sure - I'd buy a shirt.

CafePress is set up so you give them the design you want and tell them what items you want it available on, and they do "On-Demand Printing" so they don't print a single item till someone's ordered it. People who want to buy the product can buy it right from the CafePress website and the owner of the design gets a check in the mail every month for the profits.

I've never ordered anything from them, though, so I have no idea what the quality is like. Anyone else have any experience with them?

I like the idea of a golf shirt, too, if I can actually get one that fits me!

T-shirts and Golf shirts would be nice, but Caps would be readily identified and probably sell more. I would like a "Cove Cap" to add to my other caps.
I bought the ASQ cap for Quality Engineers, but it had a strange shape, which narrowed at the top. :(

Golf shirt would be great!

Ralph, did the engineer hat have those stars and cresent moons on it too?

Golf shirt would be great!

Ralph, did the engineer hat have those stars and cresent moons on it too?
Randy, No stars, and only one cresent moon, like the one on the outhouse door :rolleyes:

I bought the ASQ cap for Quality Engineers, but it had a strange shape, which narrowed at the top. :(


Well obviously, you order a hat for ASQ members, you must have expected a dunce cap!

*runs away*

Just kidding, you know I had to!

CafePress is set up so you give them the design you want and tell them what items you want it available on, and they do "On-Demand Printing" so they don't print a single item till someone's ordered it. People who want to buy the product can buy it right from the CafePress website and the owner of the design gets a check in the mail every month for the profits.

I've never ordered anything from them, though, so I have no idea what the quality is like. Anyone else have any experience with them?

I like the idea of a golf shirt, too, if I can actually get one that fits me!My husband had a site rather like The Cove for Linux people. Alas, he closed it as there were not enough contributors for the questions people submitted. But I digress...

Based on this same principle he got a hat through Cafe Press. It's a light weight ball cap with a velcro strap in back instead of those plastic snap strip thingies. The logo is digitally printed on the front. The image isn't as dark or vibrant as I would have preferred, but the ordering experience was easy, not too pricey and efficient. I don't know how well it would work for overseas buyers.

It's great but for us not located in the US, it will be very expensive.Yes, you're right, but I have to admit that I do like the idea.

/Claes

It's great but for us not located in the US, it will be very expensive.Not necessarily. If it can be shipped direct from the manufacturer, it might prove to be cheaper.:rolleyes:

Is there an official COVE logo?

Is there an official COVE logo?
If not, let's have a contest to select one - can't be much worse than the ASQ one:

Maybe someone could volunteer to design a T-shirt This is a bit complex, but it's the theme here. I'm sure we have an artist out there somewhere...

This is a bit complex, but it's the theme here. I'm sure we have an artist out there somewhere...Cafe Press can take that design and transfer it digitally.

How does the attached visual look?
Wallace

I'm not much into T-Shirts, but coffee mug or anything else- even a keychain- will do.

Should the visual have a line such as "People Helping People" ? or maybe...... "I Love Marc Smith !" ?? :lol:

I'm not much into T-Shirts, but coffee mug or anything else- even a keychain- will do.

Should the visual have a line such as "People Helping People" ? or maybe...... "I Love Marc Smith !" ?? :lol:
DITTO! What Atul said... :agree1:

I agree with Atul said. I have grown!!! past the T-Shirt stage. However, I could consider a polo along the lines of a 2XLT.

I would vote for a nice polo.

Cafe Press can take that design and transfer it digitally. I just checked out their site and will see if I can put something together with them. It appears they also handle sales through their site.

So - Any more logo design ideas, folks?

I personally like the lighthouse. However, it might be fun to have an alternate text verision, or printed across the back-- like:

Does work make you :mad: ?
Go to The Cove and be :agree1:

http://elsmar.com

I voted "probably not" - but only b/c I wouldn't buy a t-shirt. I, like many others here, would be more keen on a hat - or a tote bag - or something like that. Actually, scratch that - I'd just be keen on a hat. Logo t-shirts aren't really my thing.

I'm all in for the Elsmar Golf Bag w/ matching head covers & towel. :lmao:

Hats and/or Polo shirts sound good.

In the old days when I'd help with fundraisers we would take pre-orders for shirts and hats based on small/limited quantities and pricing. The larger the order, the lower Marc's price point. Profits go to the cove.

Just an idea.


Quality Jedi

OK, folks, I've 'signed on' to CafePress. Anyone have any logo or other ideas?

I'll share pricing info with you folks so we can set 'reasonable' prices.

As soon as I get some of the basics out of the way we'll get this puppy started.

Commments on this?

http://elsmar.com/png/Elsmar Logo 050716.png

seems to me to be terrific for mug, but a little "busy" for T-shirt or cap.

Do we need to add "elsmar.com" somewhere?

Do we need to add "elsmar.com" somewhere?

Yes, we always want more Covers! It's easier to join if the URL is included :rolleyes:

I like the idea of a mug or a t-shirt (even if it will be more expensive to get it here).

Barbara

I sorta figured anyone seeing it would Google 'elsmar', or the site url would be pretty eaasy to 'guess'. But Yeah - I've got several mockups here with different pictures and text. I'm sorta playing with this stuff over the weekend. There's a basic set of different image sizes for different things.

I did go through my backup CDs and found the original pictures for the lighthouse and lightning from November 1995, but they're not very high resolution.

I'll put up a few more ideas later today and tomorrow. If anyone else has any, by all means attach. I have Wallace's. BTW - Wallace, if you're around, could you attach the lighthouse picture and the world map or point me to where you got them? I like the idea but would want to do something with the font and text.

Here you go.
Wallace.

Attached is something I've been passing the late night with.
Wallace.

We must have found some of the same stock photos.

Personally I do not wear T shirts at all but isn't this a bit gloomy?
The mug idea appeals though

I have no idea why the word 'gloomy' would apply because you don't go in for t-shirts. There's not an inventory issue as they do one offs. The place sells beverage mugs, shirts, etc., so if a 'mug' appeals....

Personally I'm not much for this stuff, but since people are asking I figure I can come up with a couple of different graphics for different things.

I suppose Howard refers to the "scene" - a lonely lighthouse on a dark and gloomy night.

Precisely the point - a bright marker in an otherwise gloomy place (for Quality folk, the world seems to get gloomier and gloomier - we NEED to know there is a safe route and to be warned away from rocky shoals.)

Can they add decals to the mix? Car windows, laptops, maybe even the shaving mirror!

Here's the visio file.
Anyone who has the time, can play with it and possibly improve.

Open the Visio file - select all - right mouse click - choose shape - choose ungroup to separate the layers.
Wallace

I suppose Howard refers to the "scene" - a lonely lighthouse on a dark and gloomy night.

Precisely the point - a bright marker in an otherwise gloomy place (for Quality folk, the world seems to get gloomier and gloomier - we NEED to know there is a safe route and to be warned away from rocky shoals.)

Can they add decals to the mix? Car windows, laptops, maybe even the shaving mirror!
I wish I had thought of "Rocky Shoals" when choosing my Cove user name:lmao:.

I suppose Howard refers to the "scene" - a lonely lighthouse on a dark and gloomy night.I didn't think of that. Well, yes - The original home page from 1996 looked like this:

http://Elsmar.com/gif/Cayman Cove Home Page 1996.gif

Not very well done, but back then it was all even 'hard' coded.

As to what they can put graphics on, there is a list there (see attachment to this post). I don't see decals, but I do see 'stickers'.

Actually, right now I have several templates I'm working on. It's not as easy as one might think getting images the right size / resolution for each of the different sizes. Here's a brief summary:

http://Elsmar.com/gif/CafePress Graphic Sizes.gif

I still have to 'set up' a 'store front' so it may be Tuesday or Wednesday before I get most of the stuff ready.

To start with, how about a nice Cove Screensaver that everyone can download from here?

I have no idea why the word 'gloomy' would apply because you don't go in for t-shirts. There's not an inventory issue as they do one offs. The place sells beverage mugs, shirts, etc., so if a 'mug' appeals....

Personally I'm not much for this stuff, but since people are asking I figure I can come up with a couple of different graphics for different things.

As explained by others "gloomy" referred to the colours.
It was an aesthetic comment with no other meaning but
I suppose Howard refers to the "scene" - a lonely lighthouse on a dark and gloomy night.

Precisely the point - a bright marker in an otherwise gloomy place (for Quality folk, the world seems to get gloomier and gloomier - we NEED to know there is a safe route and to be warned away from rocky shoals.)

This is a point that I did not think about but is it not to subtle for a T Shirt?

This post has suddenly become controversial sorry :o

As explained by others "gloomy" referred to the colours.
It was an aesthetic comment with no other meaning but

This is a point that I did not think about but is it not to subtle for a T Shirt?

This post has suddenly become controversial sorry :o
I don't think the thread is controversial, yet. Howard's two questions:

too gloomy?
too subtle?
are on point. There are some curmudgeonly types (like me, for one) who like the idea of something that causes folks to ask, "What's that all about?" so I have a chance to open a dialog about the topic.

Some folks just want to show their support for the person, cause, or organization depicted on the shirt or cap (Cubs! Yankees! Bears! Rams! etc.) without being drawn into a lengthy explanation.

Any more ideas or comment about the logo choices?

As explained by others "gloomy" referred to the colours.
It was an aesthetic comment with no other meaning but

This is a point that I did not think about but is it not to subtle for a T Shirt?

This post has suddenly become controversial sorry :oI don't see the post as controversial at all. I just didn't think of it as gloomy and wondered how it applied. I guess I've had that 'logo' of a lighthouse in the dark and lightning (a storm) for so long that I didn't really think of it as 'gloomy'.

As to where it belongs... If anywhere... Well, this isn't my forte - Which is why I left things open for suggestions. Probably is too gloomy. I like what Wallace did in the one post but he didn't attach the lighthouse he had in that first post. He gave links but I didn't see that one. I have been to a lot of sites and downloaded a lot of lighthouses so I'll try to sort through what I have and get something together by Tuesday.

I've been playing with graphics a bit and templates and such. Of course, as it turns out if I want to do a 'store' in CafePress they want $. You can design your own things and buy them but if you want them to handle everything it's $. I think it's only about US$50 or so. And the items aren't cheap, so I'm not sure I can really add much to the prices. I'll probably just look at it as advertising.

Well, I have to go. I'm up late but not feeling well. Gotta get back to bed.

Further comments and suuggestions are welcome.

Here's a link to a light house pic site;
http://www.ipl.org/div/light/Alphaidx.html
Attached is lighthouse I particularly like.

Hope your feeling better soon Marc.
Wallace.

Here is another possibility if you would like a vector (scalable) image based on your original lighthouse. I tried to post the .wmf file, but it was not on the list of approved extensions. If you like it, I can email the .wmf file to you.

Here is another possibility if you would like a vector (scalable) image based on your original lighthouse. I tried to post the .wmf file, but it was not on the list of approved extensions. If you like it, I can email the .wmf file to you.

I like the lighthouse but I don't really like the frothing waves at the bottom and I don't know if I like the 'People Helping People' logo. It sounds as if we just supported the Tsunami benefit.

How big would the l;ghthouse be? I tend to have polo shirts with the logos on the pocket or T shirts with a small logo where the pocket would normally be. I don't go for the 'Mettalica' overstated black numbers...not at my age (lol)

Greg,
You make a good point regarding the helping people thing, it sounds a wee bit evangelical for me. :mg:
I guess we have to ask; what is the Cove, what do we actually offer the cyber world and, what should attract potential users to the Cove?
Maybe it's time for a reframe, because the scope of the Cove is indeed very wide.
I certainly don't hold the answers, I'm just thinking out loud though.
Wallace

How about this one. I changed the "people helping people" to "shelter from the storm." I left the froth in there just because it was a part of Marc's original lighthouse. It can be changed to a rocky outcropping or eliminated altogether if preferred.

This graphic can be scaled to any size. It can be as small as a sticker or as large as a poster. That is the advantage of vector images over bitmap or raster images.

I've been living in bed with the flu for a couple of days, but just got out for a couple of hours.

OK - There is a 'free' store' version and I've put up a couple of things. When I feel a bit better I'll get on with other things after I read some more of what you folks want.

Note: The prices are the prices that CafePress charges. I have not added to them as they're steep enough already. And I don't see the artwork as terribly professional. For those of you who really do support the Cove, you might consider contributing directly (
http://Elsmar.com/subscribe.html) (2 people have in the last 3 months...).

The store is at:

http://www.cafepress.com/elsmar/

Marc,

I had the flu for the first time in my life a few months ago and was sick as a dog. Please get back to bed!

Contribute Directly! (http://Elsmar.com/subscribe.html)

I'll be working on a few more graphics for a few things over the next couple of days - Feeling a bit better.

If any of you order something, please do let us know how it all works out from the CafePress service to the actual product and the 'artwork'. I'll probably try a coffee cup to check it out.

Is the attached image an acceptable alternative for a base image.
Wallace.

Here's another image. Oh, I know I'm getting all carried away now.
Wallace.

Looks like you're having fun!

Here's another image. Oh, I know I'm getting all carried away now.
Wallace.


Well done Wallace. I like them both. :agree1:

Bubba's rendering:
http://Elsmar.com/png/Logo Bubba.png

BTW - I have one by Wallace on shirts and I have one on coffee cups that I did. If someone wants one of these or of the other ones in the thread let me know. Now that everything is essentially set up, it's mostly an image size / resolution manipulation issue. The shop is easy to add to (so far).

And again, if anyone actually does buy any of these, do let us know what 'quality' they are.

Marc,

Do you know what the shipping costs are? I had quick look yesterday and did not see them. I will probably buy a couple of Golf shirts and a mug

Why not wait a week. No one has given feedback about the graphics and such. I ordered a coffee mug yesterday (I should have ordered a t-shirt as well) - It should be here next week. Let me see how the graphics turn out, at least on the mug. Maybe someone else will have bought something and received it who can comment on 'quality'.

As to shipping costs:

Items:
1 x Mug @ $10.99 = $10.99
=====================
Subtotal: 10.99
Shipping: 4.00
TOTAL: 14.99

I chose the cheapest shipping.

Now that I'm watching, I see a lot of sites I visit are using CafePress 'stores'. Several I checked are putting a markup of about 2 bucks on each item - I haven't yet but might in the future. And most are paying for a 'pro' shop and making pretty nice 'store fronts'. Anyway, that's the scoop for now.

Now that I'm watching, I see a lot of sites I visit are using CafePress 'stores'. Several I checked are putting a markup of about 2 bucks on each item - I haven't yet but might in the future. And most are paying for a 'pro' shop and making pretty nice 'store fronts'. Anyway, that's the scoop for now.

There's no reason why the Cove should'nt be gaining some financial gain from the sale of your cafe press offerings.
Wallace.

I want to see the mug graphics and if anyone gets a shirt hopefully they'll let us know how it turns out. I may order a t-shirt just to check out the graphics. Then I can check against the graphics I have here. I had to resize and manipulate the images and there's no other way to 'check out' the results other than to buy something with the graphic.

As an FYI: DPI and PPI Explained

There seems to be a great deal of confusion among many people regarding the use of some terms in digital imaging. The main problem with this is that DPI (dots per inch) is an old term that has been applied to everything relating to resolution and the size of a digital image. This is very confusing because different situations work with resolution in very different ways, and having a single term for all of them just makes things more confusing. More recently, the term PPI (pixels per inch) has appeared in common usage and is far more specific for what the term entails. DPI is still used in some documents and software when PPI is really what they mean, but this is changing. This article is an attempt to explain what the 2 terms mean and how they should be used.

As usual, this article originally saw light in a Usenet group. In this case, rec.photo.digital. The article is a combination of 2 seperate posts I made regarding the difference between DPI and PPI, with some additional editing.
PPI

Okay, let's start with PPI, it's easy to understand. This is the number of pixels per inch in your image. This will affect the print size of your photo and will affect the quality of the output. The way that it will affect the quality of the output is that if there are too few pixels per inch, then the pixels will be very large and you will get a very pixelated image (jagged edges, you will actually see individual pixels, not good). You'll hear various different numbers thrown around as to what an acceptable PPI for a print-out is. A lot of this will depend on the size of the print. This is because you look at large prints from a further distance than a small print, so you can get away with a lower PPI and still have the image look fine.

Anyways, all that PPI does is affect the print size of the image. There are 2 ways that you can change the print size, by resampling or by not resampling. Not resampling is what you normally want to do, this will only change the size of the print out. Using resampling will actually change the number of pixels (and thus the file size) in order to match the print size. So for instance, if you don't resample, changing the PPI setting will increase or decrease the print size (it will increase if you drop the PPI, it will decrease if you increase the PPI). With resampling, if you change the PPI, you will loose pixels (if you set the PPI to a lower value) or you will have pixels created (if you increase the PPI). Creating pixels is a bad idea, they get generated by the computer and the results aren't usually that good. Throwing away pixels is fine as long as you won't need the bigger size later (that's why it's usually a good idea to save the original large file).
An Example

Suppose you have a 100 x 100 pixel image could be printed at many different sizes. If you set the image to print at 10 PPI, then you'd have a 10" x 10" image. If you set the image to print at 100 PPI, you'd have a 1" x 1" image. Note that adjusting this value doesn't effect the number of pixels in the image at all, it just changes how big the print will be.

Take our 100 x 100 pixel image again. Suppose it's set at 100 PPI (producing the same 1" x 1" printed image). With re-sampling off, when you adjust the PPI the dimensions adjust as well, this is how things worked in the example above. With re-sampling on, the dimensions won't change. So, if you changed the PPI to 10 with re-sampling on, you would still keep a 1" x 1" image and the computer would throw out pixels to make the image stay that size. So in this case, you'd end up with a 10 x 10 pixel image in the end. If you went the other way, and changed the PPI to 300, then the computer would generate pixels to make a 300 x 300 pixel image that's still 1" x 1" when printed.

Usually, the only reason you want to use re-sampling is for reducing the size of your image. For example, my scanner produces 3888 x 2592 images. These images are too big to use online (both for display and because of filesize). By using re-sampling, I can adjust the size of the images to something more appropriate for online use.
DPI

Now let's talk about DPI. DPI only refers to the printer. Every pixel output is made up of different coloured inks (usually 4 or 6 colours, depending on your printer). Because of the small number of colours, the printer needs to be able to mix these inks to make up all the colours of the image. So each pixel of the image is created by a series of tiny dots (you could think of them as sub-pixels). Generally, the higher the DPI, the better the tonality of the image, colours should look better and blends between colours should be smoother. You'll also use more ink and the print job will be slower. You might want to try setting your printer to a lower DPI to save ink and speed up the job, see if you notice any difference in quality. The lowest setting where you don't see any loss in quality should be the best one to use.

So a 1200 dpi printer uses 1200 dots of ink in every inch to make up the colours. If you were printing a 300 PPI image, then every pixel would be made up of 16 smaller ink dots (1200 DPI x 1200 DPI / 300 PPI x 300 PPI). A lower DPI would have fewer ink dots making up each pixel, which would make the colour look worse. A higher DPI would have more ink dots for each pixel and should give more accurate colour (especially under close examination).
If these turn out OK I'll add some other graphics / items and probably pay for a 'store front'.

Another reason is if some folks DO buy something it's free advertising to me. And I really don't want to nickle and dime people.

But - I am leaving open the option of adding a couple of bucks in the future. Let's see how things go.

Call me silly, but when it comes to a T-shirt, coffee mug, or something else that I really don't need I'm more likely to buy it if I know part of the purchase price is going to a cause I support. Even if I know the price is higher to cover that 'donation.'

P.S. You have to stop teasing us saying you're going to add more items or designs. We're all waiting to see what all the choices are before we make our selection! :D

We're all waiting to see what all the choices are before we make our selection! :D I just got the cup I ordered so I have a 'graphics' check. I kind of like it. I'm sorry this is taking so long, but most of it has been 'up front' where I'm asking for folks input on what they want.

I just ordered a t-shirt to check out that graphic (Yes - I should have done that when I ordered the cup). The graphic on the shirt is courtesy of Wallace. The graphic is 4" wide and 5" high (Too big for a golf shirt / Too small for a t-shirt?). I'll let you know when I get it how that turns out.

I'll play with some other graphics now that I have an idea of what the output / quality is.

Bottom line is over the weekend I'll upload some more images and assign them to products. Hopefully within a week I'll have a stocked 'store'. My advice is to wait until then to buy anything except a coffee mug. I really, really do want to make sure the graphics are OK and such. I think the golf shirt graphic is too big, and I think the t-shirt graphic is too small. Maybe they need different graphics. Darn - I need a designer... Call me silly, but when it comes to a T-shirt, coffee mug, or something else that I really don't need I'm more likely to buy it if I know part of the purchase price is going to a cause I support. Even if I know the price is higher to cover that 'donation.' I wish you hadn't said "...that I really don't need...", but if this is a way to get someone to donate, rather than a direct contribution to the Elsmar Cove (http://elsmar.com/subscribe.html), it's OK by me.

Well, OK - Since you asked for it. I've checked out a lot of other sites since I last posted to this thread (I am REALLY behind the times on this one - a lot of sites I visit have CafePress stores, as it turns out now that I look - My only excuse is I just don't buy stickers, t-shirts and such from web sites so I didn't notice...), and I see markups of from US$2.00 to US$12.00 per item.

Informal poll - What do you consider an acceptable $ markup?

As a 'reminder', the 'store' is at: http://www.cafepress.com/elsmar

EDIT NOTE: Changing t-shirt, etc., from graphic 'centered' to 'pocket' to address the size issue for now.

Also - Added US$1 to each item as a 'markup'.

Marc,
Can I do anything to help you with the graphics?
The size of the existing used graphics can be re-sized.
Do you have any idea's regarding further graphical needs? I would be pleased to help.
I'm having my Gall bladder removed on Tuesday August 9th and, I'll certainly have lots of time to play with graphics for a week or two.
I mentioned in a previous post that, it would be beneficial to have a graphic that expressed what the Cove actually offers in a visually dynamic format. As the saying goes, "a picture speaks a thousand words", and I believe the group could brainstorm an ideal graphic that would carry and deliver what the Cove is all about.
My take FWIW;
I believe, the Cove is at the foundation, an internet (or Cyber) place, where Business information, Resources, solutions and forums are available for use and sharing.
Wallace.

What ever you want to come up with. It should be vector graphics (vs. bitmap) if you want it to be able to be resized without problems such as loss of resolution if you enlarge it.

If you go to the CafePress site there are some templates to give you size. Heck, you can open your own shop there easily.

I voted "yes" but I'm more of a polo type shirt person for this type of item.
There is a site called www.zazzle.com that does do this! All you have to do is come up with a logo, supply it, and Zazzle will do the rest....ummmm, I think. I have bought some items from this site and the t-shirt quality is good. They also have mouse-pads, cups, polo shirts, tank tops, etc. All sizes for Men, Women, Kids. I think the colors are limited though.

We should do it. We should have a "contest" for a t-shirt design....maybe not a contest but you know what I mean.

I just caught up with this thread and I have to admit I did not read the 8 previous pages of posts. :read:

But I think it is a great opportunity to raise money for the forum. :tg:

As a current part time screen printer, embroiderer and graphic artist, when designing a logo it is best to keep it simple and rememberable. people always want to put too much into a logo and it doesn’t make the logo effective or clearly communicated. As the old KISS rule applies take a peek around at all the logos you see on a daily basis. They are simple classy and appropriate.

In addition as being in the business there is nothing cheesier to me than a screen printed polo shirt or a photo realistic image on a shirt.

Just my two cents.

I don't wear Tees but the large mug looks nice. I do have a collection of hats and would welcome an addition there. :notme: