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Pataha 5th July 2005, 12:18 PM The G8 Summit is about to begin in Gleneagles, Scotland. The Anarchists are already out and protesting. So, a question, if Anarchists do not want formal laws and governments, would it be wrong to mug them? From their own point of view, it would not be immoral or unethical. Could one call for the ne’r-do-wells in Scotland to turn their attentions from law abiding citizens and have at the Anarchists? The Anarchist would not report this activity (couldn’t really be considered a crime) or they would be hypocrites. At least a certain crime rate should go down in the area, until the G8 Summit was over. For the short term, it looks win-win. What do you think?
Jim Wynne 5th July 2005, 12:28 PM The G8 Summit is about to begin in Gleneagles, Scotland. The Anarchists are already out and protesting. So, a question, if Anarchists do not want formal laws and governments, would it be wrong to mug them?
Although I'm no anarchist, and I can't defend the philosphy, I think maybe you're misinterpreting. I think most anarchists do not want to be mugged any more than you do. The idea is that anarchists believe that people can take care of things themselves without hierarchical political power structures. They don't believe that everyone should run wild in the streets committing random acts of violence and vandalism.
From their own point of view, it would not be immoral or unethical.
Don't confuse morals and ethics with codified laws and statutes. It is possible to be moral and ethical without formal laws, which is what the anarchists contend.
Pataha 5th July 2005, 12:44 PM Sorry - forgot the icon :lmao:
After my series of questions.
JSW05's statements remind me of Kant's Rational Man. The question would be would Kant's Rational Man go to a G8 Summit to protest? :)
Mike S. 5th July 2005, 12:48 PM Ummm.....isn't this thread destined to go down that forbidden road of politics, which is a Cove no-no?
Jim Wynne 5th July 2005, 12:58 PM Sorry - forgot the icon :lmao:
After my series of questions.
JSW05's statements remind me of Kant's Rational Man. The question would be would Kant's Rational Man go to a G8 Summit to protest? :)
This makes the second time in under a week that I've given a serious response to what was intended as irony or sarcasm:bonk:. Kant's rational man would go to a G8 summit, but not in Scotland:biglaugh: .
Marc 5th July 2005, 01:02 PM :topic: Just keep it clean and simple. This thread is on 'Moderator Watch' - We'll discuss it - It is subject to deletion due to the topic/subject. I'll ask the Moderators to decide whether we want this topic / thread.
Jim Wynne 5th July 2005, 01:04 PM Ummm.....isn't this thread destined to go down that forbidden road of politics, which is a Cove no-no?
Only if someone else takes it there.
Pataha 5th July 2005, 01:15 PM What no politics!!! I had stuff in the wings, since Chirac “joked” about English Cuisine. I sort of think of the coffee break area as a place to play around. Picked up on either JSW05’s seriousness or an extreme dry sense of humor, so I noted those icons are very helpful. Than again should I be insulted that someone would believe that I would call for a mugging on the other side of the globe or impressed that someone would think I could call for a mugging in Scotland from Arizona?
Where would Kant’s Rational Man go to a G8 summit. Plus, who was it that said, “that a moral man will be mistaken for a man of faith?” That question should have a serious response.
The Arizona Craig H.
:tg:
Jennifer Kirley 5th July 2005, 01:22 PM Maybe it would be okay to engage in such questions and probing in the manner of private messaging. If an open air idea solicitation is desired could one say, "What is your opinion of this? PM me please..." or some such, so we can keep The Cove free of vitriol that has been a past concern?
Pataha 5th July 2005, 02:59 PM Good Suggestion, if one want to use Iming to get upset about politics. It appeared that this took more of a moralistic turn, than a political.
:topic:
Do anyone think that finding a way to contribute to this forum, hard? Could a small contribute button be placed at the top of the website? That way people would not have to scroll down and read it on the left. Something along the lines of a flashing thing or :magic:.
Just some thoughts, :eek:
Al Dyer 5th July 2005, 03:08 PM We are in the break thread and, as said before, it is being monitored for "outlandishness". It's the fourth of July weekend, have some fun and keep up the discussion!!!
The good think about opinions is that are both right and wrong at the same time!!!:)
Al...
Marc 5th July 2005, 08:50 PM The thread is being monitored for content because the subject is really outside the scope of these forums. What no politics!!! I had stuff in the wings, since Chirac “joked” about English Cuisine. I sort of think of the coffee break area as a place to play around. Picked up on either JSW05’s seriousness or an extreme dry sense of humor, so I noted those icons are very helpful. In the past, the problem has been that seriousness takes over (myself included). When the 'emoicons' were introduced here in the forums we hoped that would help. And to some degree they do. But - Peoples emotions can run high and the general agreement here is no politics, religion or other very 'personal' topics. For example, I will kill a thread with abortion as a topic immediately. There are other forums and 'blogs' (etc) on the internet where such discussions are more appropriate.
I saw Anarchists in the thread title after the post was reported by a visitor as a potentially volatile subject. We all have our definitions of what an Anarchists is. So....
The bottom line is the Coffee Break forum is more for general conversation where the thread topics are not so emotionally charged because of personally held beliefs.
As to PMs, well - the problem is it has to start with a thread if one is lookng for a wide spread response. I mean, well, anyone can PM someone else and ask their opinion about anything. It's between them. But to get a lot of people into a conversation about something through PMs - That's another story.
In the past we had a political / 'controversy' forum and it ended up in what I will call a disaster.
Pataha 6th July 2005, 10:19 AM I did not mean to bring up painful or bad memories of the past. I was attempting amusement. It appears that it was amusing to just one. :eek:
Missing the facials and verbal inflections, it is harder to do. At this point, I bow to Mr. Mark Twain and Mr. Dave Barry.
Denis 6th July 2005, 11:13 AM It's a shame that the negative publicity of a small minority of protesters have captured the media's attention.
There is a real concern here for an alternative voice to be heard, but its now masked by the poor behaviour of a small minority.
I believe we are going down to a political debate here on the merits and outputs of the G8 conference.
I for one welcome the peaceful right of protesters to present an alternative argument, same about the media covering the violent aspect - but nothing like bad news to sell newspapers.
tarheels4 6th July 2005, 11:31 AM :topic: Chirac “joked” about English Cuisine.
Speaking of France. Paris and London were the finalists for hosting the 2012 Olympics.
It was just announced that London was selected. I for one am relieved that Paris wasn't selected.
Jim Howe 6th July 2005, 11:33 AM The thread is being monitored for content because the subject is really outside the scope of these forums. In the past, the problem has been that seriousness takes over (myself included). When the 'emoicons' were introduced here in the forums we hoped that would help. And to some degree they do. But - Peoples emotions can run high and the general agreement here is no politics, religion or other very 'personal' topics. For example, I will kill a thread with abortion as a topic immediately. There are other forums and 'blogs' (etc) on the internet where such discussions are more appropriate.
I saw Anarchists in the thread title after the post was reported by a visitor as a potentially volatile subject. We all have our definitions of what an Anarchists is. So....
The bottom line is the Coffee Break forum is more for general conversation where the thread topics are not so emotionally charged because of personally held beliefs.
As to PMs, well - the problem is it has to start with a thread if one is lookng for a wide spread response. I mean, well, anyone can PM someone else and ask their opinion about anything. It's between them. But to get a lot of people into a conversation about something through PMs - That's another story.
In the past we had a political / 'controversy' forum and it ended up in what I will call a disaster.
Marc, you are correct that everyone will have there own definition of what an anarchist is for example; I found the following listed in Words thesaurus:
rebel
agitator
insurgent
revolutionary
nihilist
wild-eye radical
aracho-syndicalist
Considering the above it is my opinion that many covers refrain from responding to such threads and as such the thread perhaps does not belong here.
wmarhel 6th July 2005, 12:19 PM :topic:
Speaking of France. Paris and London were the finalists for hosting the 2012 Olympics.
It was just announced that London was selected. I for one am relieved that Paris wasn't selected.
I may have to make it a point to visit the relatives over there in 2012. :D
Wayne
mattrecruiter 6th July 2005, 02:28 PM rebel
agitator
insurgent
revolutionary
nihilist
wild-eye radical
aracho-syndicalist
:lol:
It's OK, the anarchists I know don't believe in dictionaries either.
:lol:
I would have typed thesauri, but I wasn't sure of the correct spelling of the plural until I went to dictionary.com. I never claimed to be an anarchist. Agitator, perhaps.
:lol:
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