This is kinda off of the topic, sorry. Do you have to keep updating your PPAP records with revised control plans, PCR's, customer approvals, supplier of raw material changes? We currently have the original PPAP only, we are not updating drawings or anything.:bonk:
If there is a change to your customer supplied drawing, then yes, (if you have CPs) they need to be updated/current. If a CP is required (for YOUR customer) I don't know if there is anything you can do to "get out of" a submission.
Just MO

If there is a change to your customer supplied drawing, then yes, (if you have CPs) they need to be updated/current. If a CP is required (for YOUR customer) I don't know if there is anything you can do to "get out of" a submission.

JMO

I have split this from the original thread

This is kinda off of the topic, sorry. Do you have to keep updating your PPAP records with revised control plans, PCR's, customer approvals, supplier of raw material changes? We currently have the original PPAP only, we are not updating drawings or anything.:bonk:
If there is a change to your customer supplied drawing, then yes, (if you have CPs) they need to be updated/current. If a CP is required (for YOUR customer) I don't know if there is anything you can do to "get out of" a submission.
Just MO
There are 2 separate items here.
Change of raw material needs a new PPAP (what do your mean by supplier?)
The other documents do not need to be supplied to the customer, unless he specifically requires it, you need to update them and control them, where you file them is your option.

I guess where I am headed here is - Will the External Auditor ask to see my PPAP file and expect ALL current information in that file including customer approvals for changes? Our plant in Mexico does the manufacturing and we do the design and delivery in the US, the US is also the customer contact point. The Mexico plant is currently responsible for updating the Control Plan, FMEA etc. but does not always forward that documentation to the US plant. They do contact us for any changes that require customer approval because that is our responsibility. Thanks for the help.:biglaugh:

I guess where I am headed here is - Will the External Auditor ask to see my PPAP file and expect ALL current information in that file including customer approvals for changes? Our plant in Mexico does the manufacturing and we do the design and delivery in the US, the US is also the customer contact point. The Mexico plant is currently responsible for updating the Control Plan, FMEA etc. but does not always forward that documentation to the US plant. They do contact us for any changes that require customer approval because that is our responsibility. Thanks for the help.:biglaugh:

Your PPAP file should be just that--a copy of the submission(s) sent to your customer(s). Exact copies, nothing more, nothing less. The copy of the control plan in the PPAP package is a copy of a "master" document that should be kept separate from your PPAP submission file. Whether or not a control plan change should result in a resubmission is a matter of customer requirements.

This is kinda off of the topic, sorry. Do you have to keep updating your PPAP records with revised control plans, PCR's, customer approvals, supplier of raw material changes? We currently have the original PPAP only, we are not updating drawings or anything.:bonk:
If there is a change to your customer supplied drawing, then yes, (if you have CPs) they need to be updated/current. If a CP is required (for YOUR customer) I don't know if there is anything you can do to "get out of" a submission.
Just MO


The PPAP manual (3rd ed) has several tables that describe events that would require a resubmission, and which events do not require it. They are very useful. I think around page 8 or 10 (I don't have my book with me).

The tables are on pages 11 to 13. They indicate the design and process changes you need to notify your customer then the customer may subsequently elect to require a submission for PPAP approval.

Dave

The PPAP manual (3rd ed) has several tables that describe events that would require a resubmission, and which events do not require it. They are very useful. I think around page 8 or 10 (I don't have my book with me).

Slightly :topic: but the 4th Edition of the PPAP manual is purported (on good authority) to eliminate the instances when it's permissible to make changes and not at least notify the customer. It will be up to the customer in some instances to decide whether submission is required, but the focus will be on keeping the customer informed.

A word of friendly advice: When communicating changes to the customer, never accept verbal dispensations. Always get it in writing.

Slightly :topic: but the 4th Edition of the PPAP manual is purported (on good authority)

This is the nearest that we get to it. We are discussing this issue
AIAG PPAP (Production Part Approval Process) Manual Fourth Edition (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=6612) since 23 July 2003:o

This is the nearest that we get to it. We are discussing this issue
AIAG PPAP (Production Part Approval Process) Manual Fourth Edition (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=6612) since 23 July 2003:o

IMO, AIAG is guilty of inexcusable behavior in the continuing delays. The "official" word is that the 4th Edition will be released in February '06. I've been a Chicago Cubs fan for over 40 years, so I'm used to "wait 'til next year," but this is getting ridiculous.

And AIAG is ISO9001 registered, do they not monitor their process ????

And AIAG is ISO9001 registered, do they not monitor their process ????

They might well be monitoring their processes. Who says that monitored processes never fail? It appears that AIAG and their processes were designed to fail. If that's the case, no corrective action is necessary--everything is going as planned.

That is in fact SNAFU

That is in fact SNAFU

Ah, but it gets better. AIAG is now saying 2nd Quarter, 2006 (https://mows.aiag.org/source/Orders/index.cfm?ETask=1&Task=1&SEARCH_TYPE=FIND&FindIn=1&FindSpec=PPAP&x=14&y=4)