Hello,

in the pdf I can see a new revision from PSW.
Can anyone post this new PSW into this Thread?

Thanks in advance,

Rgds,
Kevin

Hello,

in the pdf I can see a new revision from PSW.
Can anyone post this new PSW into this Thread?

Thanks in advance,

Rgds,
Kevin

It's not available yet, because the 4th Edition PPAP manual isn't available yet. AIAG says March 1.

oh, ic. thanks

Should be soon: See Fourth Edition PPAP Manual close to release (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=15460)

I have been looking around today trying to find a format (probably EXCEL) for the March 2006 PSW Form, Form CFG-1001. So far the only thing that I have come up with is buying a forms disk from AIAG for $250. Has anyone come across a format (for less than $250)?

Have a look at the previous post "AIAG PPAP (Production Part Approval Process) Manual Fourth Edition" 16 March 2006. There are excellent documents posted there

Here is the link to the forms 4th Edition PPAP Electronic Documents (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showpost.php?p=142002&postcount=41) very kindly shared by jeffhenry

Many thanks - formats are much appreciated!

Thanks so much for the spreadsheets!! That was a big help.

Thanks for making these forms available.

:bonk: Hello,

after the Errata Sheet from the BIG3, is ther now a new PSW form?

And we have discussed internal if the point 23 Has customer-required Substances... means a change in the form, or is only an explanation (and should then be named with page 22) ??

Thanks,

Tamara

:bonk: Hello,

after the Errata Sheet from the BIG3, is ther now a new PSW form?

And we have discussed internal if the point 23 Has customer-required Substances... means a change in the form, or is only an explanation (and should then be named with page 22) ??

Thanks,

Tamara
I thiknk that you are asking for to much:lmao:

Hello All,
I've got question regarding PPAP 4th edition: how much time do we have to implement it - is it already obligatory? Maybe it is still possible to use 3rd ed. and if yes, so how long?
Thanks in advance.
Nika

According to the new edition it is already mandatory. ( from june 2006 onwards )

But, as always, talk to the customer about it.

Best regards,

Antoine

Thanks for the forms! A customer sent one to me, but it was locked. This sight has been such a help! :thanx:

I was constantly lacking infos needed in my everydays work, until I found this forum.
This is truly awesome.
Thanks for these forums!:agree1: :applause: :applause:

Hello All,
I've got question regarding PPAP 4th edition: how much time do we have to implement it - is it already obligatory? Maybe it is still possible to use 3rd ed. and if yes, so how long?
Thanks in advance.
Nika


4th edition is now required, for all new submissions. You do not need to go backwards and update existing ones, unless you make revisions.

Thanks!!!!

Apparently Ford has released a new PSW for " Phased PPAP" - nov 2006.

I have posted it 2 days ago in this thread : Ford's Phased PPAP (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=18061)

Best regards,

Antoine

Big thanks for form, Elsmar comes up trumps again.

Matt G

Hi, friends
it is my first time to come here, this forum is very usful for me, so glad to meet all of you, and learn from you!

Hi, friends
it is my first time to come here, this forum is very usful for me, so glad to meet all of you, and learn from you!

Welcome! You might want to "Say Hello" in the New Folks - Please Take a Minute and Introduce Yourself / Say Hello! (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=1477) thread.

Thanks for such valvable link.:biglaugh:

Hello,

I have tried to open the 4th Edition PSW but I receive an error mess "data lost" all the information from "Reason for submission to Declaration is lost, any ideas?

Irene:(

Dears,
I have one question about PPAP approval and PSW.

The situation is:

I work in Internotional Automotive Co.
Sites are located in France, Poland, China.

One site - France - ordered PPAP for partnumber A.
PPAP will be validated and signed by Polish representative of same group (division)

After PPAP approval and PSW signed, parts will be delivered from supplier of part A to Poland, France and China.

My question is:
Do I need 3 PSW - for China, Poland, France or 1 PSW (for France that made an order) is enough to receive parts form supplier?

I repeat once again - site of Poland, France and China = same branch (same name of Co and division)

Thanks for your feedback.

Dears,
I have one question about PPAP approval and PSW.

The situation is:

I work in Internotional Automotive Co.
Sites are located in France, Poland, China.

One site - France - ordered PPAP for partnumber A.
PPAP will be validated and signed by Polish representative of same group (division)

After PPAP approval and PSW signed, parts will be delivered from supplier of part A to Poland, France and China.

My question is:
Do I need 3 PSW - for China, Poland, France or 1 PSW (for France that made an order) is enough to receive parts form supplier?

I repeat once again - site of Poland, France and China = same branch (same name of Co and division)

Thanks for your feedback.

So you are the customer for part A? It sounds like your company should decide. Are you OK with having PPAPs approved for your company at only one site, or would you prefer to have each site approve its own? Either way would be acceptable in my eyes.

Oh thank you very much!!

It depends, normally should be 3 PSW.

Oh thank you very much!!
It depends, normally should be 3 PSW.

Hi Janldog, welcome to the Cove. :bigwave:

If you'll use the http://elsmar.com/Forums/images/buttons/quote.gif button at the bottom of the posts you reply to it will be easier for us to understand which posts you're talking about. Thanks!

When you make PPAP only one PSW should be filled and sent to the SQE for the project doesn't matter how many plant's are you going to supply. Usually what should be sent to all plants are some sample or tryout parts for matching. The PSW is SQE approval document and is not related with the plant but with the Company.

Hello, I did not know where to post my question so excuse me if this is not the place to be. I have a dispute with a supplier regarding submitting a level III PPAP with a PSW. I am getting a very hard time from them because they are leaving quite a few answers blank, no n/a, no applicable part revisions, etc. Unless I am mistaken, all PSW information should at least be answered with a n/a correct? This is why I am rejecting their PPAP. Thanks in advance for the insight.

Hello, I did not know where to post my question so excuse me if this is not the place to be. I have a dispute with a supplier regarding submitting a level III PPAP with a PSW. I am getting a very hard time from them because they are leaving quite a few answers blank, no n/a, no applicable part revisions, etc. Unless I am mistaken, all PSW information should at least be answered with a n/a correct? This is why I am rejecting their PPAP. Thanks in advance for the insight.

There is no standard rule, but it's good practice to use "NA" instead of leaving a field blank so that we know that the supplier didn't just overlook the field. I can't think of an instance where the part/drawing revision information wouldn't be applicable.

It's often helpful to compose your own PPAP requirements as a supplement to the AIAG requirements. You can see an example (which I wrote) here (http://www.h-dsn.com/genbus/PublicDocServlet?docID=23&docExt=pdf) (PDF). Note that in the section dealing with the PSW there's a requirement for not leaving spaces blank.

Thanks Jim. I am far past that point as I already developed my own PPAP checklist with similar requirements. The supplier just contacted me back and said their customers complete most of the PSW for them. To me that's placing the cart before the horse. However we do need to give them sufficient information to fully complete the PSW, so far we have not.

You are the customer what you want is what you should get.
Please remember that you have a requirement to develop the supplier

7.4.1.2 Supplier quality management system development
The organization shall perform supplier quality management system development with the goal of supplier conformity with this Technical Specification.

This is exactly what you need to do in regards to PPAP

Thanks Jim. I am far past that point as I already developed my own PPAP checklist with similar requirements. The supplier just contacted me back and said their customers complete most of the PSW for them. To me that's placing the cart before the horse. However we do need to give them sufficient information to fully complete the PSW, so far we have not.


As a supplier, I have always wanted to fill out as many of the fields manually, as humanly possible. Seem odd? Not really, as this is the very best way to confirm that all the data in the form is actually CORRECT. When customers fill out forms they sometimes get into the habit of cut and paste. This leads to many errors.

Just my 2 cents worth. Oh and my first post to this forum, by the way. Thanks so much for a great resource!!

Hi all, new to this forum. I appreciate the information that I've been able to find here.