Hi Folks,
Thank you very much for answering all my queries.I did a pretty good job in the Interview.

one more query here...

Is it good to check the box ( May we contact your present employer ) in filling out the job application form.

The reason why I am asking is my boss (first reference out of 4) won't be happy if he knew that I'll be leaving the present company, so I am not sure whether he can be a bad reference or good reference.......

If it is a bad reference ..will that effect my job offer.......

Please Advice
Thanks

I've seen bosses support folks and give positive recommendations and I've also seen bosses let go someone when they knew someone was looking because of the reference check. I think it depends on the nature of your relationship with your boss, his interest in your success and whether that can occur at your current company. And yes, I've seen good folks get screwed by a bad reference. Unfortunately the boss thought they were doing their company a favor, but a disgruntled employee is not necessarily an asset.

As a consultant, I often find folks confiding in me on this kind of stuff- outside my normal consulting role. I guess I am the unbiased party that folks feel comfortable with. I;ve seen it work both ways. It depends on if you think your boss is more interested in your succes or the current company. I never held any of my folks back if they thought the outside world had a better opportunity. On the other hand, I've never been in your position either.

In my opinion, any job candidate would be foolish to give a reference UNLESS

he was absolutely sure of what the reference would say
the reference would be positive
and
the reference had agreed beforehand to be a reference.Seems to me agreeing to let someone contact your present boss violates those principles.

I've seen bosses support folks and give positive recommendations and I've also seen bosses let go someone when they knew someone was looking because of the reference check. I think it depends on the nature of your relationship with your boss, his interest in your success and whether that can occur at your current company. And yes, I've seen good folks get screwed by a bad reference. Unfortunately the boss thought they were doing their company a favor, but a disgruntled employee is not necessarily an asset.

As a consultant, I often find folks confiding in me on this kind of stuff- outside my normal consulting role. I guess I am the unbiased party that folks feel comfortable with. I;ve seen it work both ways. It depends on if you think your boss is more interested in your succes or the current company. I never held any of my folks back if they thought the outside world had a better opportunity. On the other hand, I've never been in your position either.

What u suggest laura.. Can I email the key person responsible for hiring for the new job abt my situation in my present company.....My boss at present company is very good boss but he would'nt be happy if i leave because I do all the work for him. This company is family owned business his brother is the president of the company ..he wont be happy either......

In my opinion, any job candidate would be foolish to give a reference UNLESS

he was absolutely sure of what the reference would say
the reference would be positive
and
the reference had agreed beforehand to be a reference.Seems to me agreeing to let someone contact your present boss violates those principles.

Can I email the key person responsible for hiring for the new job abt my situation in my present company.....My boss at present company is very good boss but he would'nt be happy if i leave because I do all the work for him. This company is family owned business my present boss's brother is the president of the company ..he wont be happy either......

Please advice Mr. Bucey I'd really appreciate it.....

Thanks for the response...What u suggest Guys.. Can I email the key person responsible for hiring for the new job abt my situation in my present company.....My boss at present company is very good boss but he would'nt be happy if i leave because I do all the work for him and he will be doing it if i leave. This company is family owned business his brother is the president of the company ..he wont be happy either......

I did mistake1 by checking the box "may we contact ur employer"
mistake 2: I shud'nt have gave my Boss name and phone no:

situation is I am a Good worker but my present boss wont let me go because he has to do all the work by himselves.....this might lead him to tell bad abt me....

Can I resubmit( fax) the application form indicating updated application form....

My understanding has always been that, in a legal sense, your company can only confirm that you work(ed) there and the dates. Giving any opinion on your performance, personal data, etc. would open them up to a lawsuit if you did not get the job and could place blame on them. I have had previous bosses bend that rule but those were good reviews and non-current jobs.

I do have one former job that did not end well on either side. When I applied for jobs down the road, I listed them but made sure I explained the situation to the recruiter. Apparently one recruiter did call, and all the owner said was "I would prefer not to say anthing about him" and hung up. It did not impact being called for a second interview, but the job was not a good fit.

My previous two jobs were for consulting firms, so for my last job search a couple years ago I used my clients as references. They knew my work much better than my employer anyway. You might want to think about outside references like this, suppliers, customers, etc.

My understanding has always been that, in a legal sense, your company can only confirm that you work(ed) there and the dates. Giving any opinion on your performance, personal data, etc. would open them up to a lawsuit if you did not get the job and could place blame on them. I have had previous bosses bend that rule but those were good reviews and non-current jobs.

:topic: Refusal to give detailed information is a cover-your-:ca: strategy, not a legal requirement in the sense that it's illegal to divulge. The CYA, limited information strategy has backfired in some instances, where a hiring company has sued a former employer of the hiree for not divulging information that could have prevented some harm done by the person hired. It's a tricky situation, and it's true that at least officially, most companies will only convey name, rank and serial number.

As to the OP's question, Wes gave good advice, I think. Trial lawyers have a golden rule--never ask a witness a question if you don't already know the answer. The same applies here. If the application granting permission to contact the present employer has already been handed in, I don't think there's any harm in politely retracting the permission at this point.

Also, please stop and think before you jump. These are questions you should have addressed before you went ahead if you were unsure. This coupled with the first situation where your enhanced you years experience, would make one wonder about your planning and forethought expertise. Keep this in mind when responding to a potential employer. Just stop and think about the consequences. I would never allow my present company or boss be contacted while employed there. You could end up with no job at all.
Please don't take this negatively, obviously you have a good attitude and are enthusiastic, and apparently a good employee. I once had a statistics professor ask our class "What have I taught you", most replied "statistics", but he said "No, I want to teach you how to think"

I agree with Wes.

You may want to contact the people you are using for references and let them know they might get a call. The other option is to have someone you know and TRUST to contact your references so you have an idea about what is/would be said.

There are only (legally, I believe) that a current or previous employers can say. For example: How was his/her attendance, would you re-hire this person, how were/are the work habits ad so on.

Most employers would open themselves for a possible lawsuit if they said more than the above, however, this would be hard to prove in a court of law.

Coury Ferguson
Program/Contract Manager

From the two threads you started, I have the impression that you're relatively young and new to the goal of changing jobs/employers. One of the best tools I can think of is the book "What Color is Your Parachute" by Richard Bolles usually revised on an annual basis so that it includes the latest information on finding the right employment. One of the key issues addressed is the concept of career versus job. I highly recommend getting a copy of it, reading it from cover to cover and doing most of the career development tasks it outlines. There is now an associated web site that can be found by doing a google search for "What Collor is Your Parachute". Best wishes towards a successful career.

Never allow anyone to contact your employer, for any reason :nope: - Unless the Nobel committee is extending them an invitation to your award ceremony.:agree1:

There is a question on the table by Ralph that "Cognizant" does not exactly live up to his screen name.

We have two threads which I recommend Cognizant read through thoroughly before posting any new threads because MANY of his questions could have been answered before they were asked.
Resume and cover letter - How good are yours? (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=10169)
Tips to get past the "gatekeeper" when job hunting (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=9325)

Like Kevin H, those threads liberally acknowledge the worth and value of Dick Bolles and his series of "What Color is Your Parachute?" books which are updated every year to reflect changing conditions. Dick's website is crowded with advice, mostly good, some not quite so good. Most importantly, though, all job advisors recommend good advance preparation before entering in the market.

Most folks enter into this employment arena armed with less advance information than they gather to make a purchase on a $100 digital camera when the decision they make about an occupation can mean the difference of hundreds of thousands of dollars of income over their entire career.:bonk: