Hi.

I would like to answer if an internal Headquarter Auditor who audit our plant under TS 16949 need a corporate procedure of Auditing or is under our local procedure of Auditing.

Other question is:

How Could we ensure that we have audited internally our plant though ISO TS 16949. Is it neccesary the ISO check List to proof it, I mention that because there could be an internal auditor who audit using the VDA manual a ISO TS 16949 system.

Thanks.

Hi.

I would like to answer if an internal Headquarter Auditor who audit our plant under TS 16949 need a corporate procedure of Auditing or is under our local procedure of Auditing.

Other question is:

How Could we ensure that we have audited internally our plant though ISO TS 16949. Is it neccesary the ISO check List to proof it, I mention that because there could be an internal auditor who audit using the VDA manual a ISO TS 16949 system.

Thanks.
I think you need a Headquarters audit proceduere because it would be different from a single plant, and must be written to define the corporate Scope and Who, What, When

Other question:
If you are auditing to TS16949 then use a TS16949 check list as a guide to follow in the plants.

This is how I would handle the situation, hope this helps.

Thanks for your support.

Hi.

I would like to answer if an internal Headquarter Auditor who audit our plant under TS 16949 need a corporate procedure of Auditing or is under our local procedure of Auditing.

Other question is:

How Could we ensure that we have audited internally our plant though ISO TS 16949. Is it neccesary the ISO check List to proof it, I mention that because there could be an internal auditor who audit using the VDA manual a ISO TS 16949 system.

Thanks.

Is the auditor doing internal quality audits for the plant? Or is this additional auditing at the plant? If you have your own plant people doing internal quality system audits, then the corporate auditor can do what they like (with or without a procedure, checklist etc) but if you are considering the corporate auditor as a kind of internal audit for your plant, (that is the audit is one of your scheduled ones, etc.) then the corp. auditor should follow your plant procedure, use your checklist etc.

Let us know what situation you have so we can help more effectively.

And 'welcome' to the Cove!:agree1:

Andy

As Andy said, if the corporate audit is different than the internal audit, then he can do it anyway he wants, or that his procedure requires.

Whichever procedure controls the audit at the local level is the one that should be followed. If your local procedures do not agree with your corporate ones, that might be something you should look at.

However, if it is part of the internal audit, TS Rules require internal audits to follow a process approach.

Dear Colleges.

The auditor is doing internal quality audits for the plant, without corporate procedure, may be he is applying a local headquarter procedure, but this procedure if exist must be at same level that our local procedure.

In our local procedure the Headquarter Auditor is not included, therefore I think that something is not going well.

I believe that if the Headquarter is auditing some plants a corporate procedure need to be raised determinating Who, etc and leting us complement with our local procedure.

Thanks.

Dear Colleges.

The auditor is doing internal quality audits for the plant, without corporate procedure, may be he is applying a local headquarter procedure, but this procedure if exist must be at same level that our local procedure.

In our local procedure the Headquarter Auditor is not included, therefore I think that something is not going well.

I believe that if the Headquarter is auditing some plants a corporate procedure need to be raised determinating Who, etc and leting us complement with our local procedure.

Thanks.

you are unable to show the qualifications (training records) of the auditor, or if the methods he used for planning, recording and reporting the audit (things like checklists, auditor notes and audit non-conformity forms etc) are not the same as the plant procedure. If he used VDA criteria and not ISO/TS 16949 - which fits hjilling's comments about the 'Process Approach' to auditing, you are likely to have a problem.:yes:

Therefore, if I understand you, the plant has no internal audit procedure (since the Corporate Auditor has been doing all the audits) - therefore the certification/registrar auditor is likely to make this a (major) finding - from my perspective:eek:

Andy