Sean Kelley
7th March 2006, 04:57 PM
We have looked closely at the TS standard and under section 4.1.1 it states that you shall have control over outsourced processes. We have some small outprocessors that perform welding. It is a 2 man operation and we are ~60% of their business. We were under the impression that they needed to be ISO certified for us to use them and maintain our TS certification. However, when I read the note below 4.1.1 it says see also 7.4.1 and 7.4.1.3. Neither of these sections mentions the QMS development and requirement of ISO 9001:2000 certification. Am I correct in this interpretation? :thanx:
Helmut Jilling
8th March 2006, 01:22 AM
We have looked closely at the TS standard and under section 4.1.1 it states that you shall have control over outsourced processes. We have some small outprocessors that perform welding. It is a 2 man operation and we are ~60% of their business. We were under the impression that they needed to be ISO certified for us to use them and maintain our TS certification. However, when I read the note below 4.1.1 it says see also 7.4.1 and 7.4.1.3. Neither of these sections mentions the QMS development and requirement of ISO 9001:2000 certification. Am I correct in this interpretation? :thanx:
The note in 4.1.1 refers to customer requirements.
The clause you are looking for is 7.4.1.2. Generally, it is expected that suppliers become certified to ISO 9001:2000, with full compliance to TS. However, when a supplier is this small, your customers may allow a hybrid approach of some sort. You really need to discuss it with your customer, and get it in writing. There is no single answer to this, when the supplier is this small.
vanputten
8th March 2006, 02:40 PM
Personally, I don't think the size of the supplier has any bearing on the requriement. The size of the supplier may have a bearing as to whether you contact your customer for a wavier of 7.4.1.2.
There have been multiple threads on this topic. See the definition for manufacturing (3.1.6), IATF Guidance to TS, and the IATF website for more guidance.
Welding is "manufacturing." Yes, they are subject to 7.4.1.2.
4.1.1 states you must have control over outsourced process, manufacturing or not. Your input to the outsource-er and their output to you should be compared. Their output can affect your system. Look at outsourcing as part of the process appraoch (inputs, outputs, controls, resources, etc.).
Look at 7.4.1.2 as which suppliers must have certified quality systems.
Regards, Dirk
