Can you please provide your expirience integrating these concepts?

Can you please provide your expirience integrating these concepts?

Your question is unclear. If you can elaborate, you should get more of a response.

I wanted to know if someone has integrated the EFQM module into TS 16949.

Due to I am finding very interesting PARTICULARLY the score applied to the diferents parts of the moldel.

TS16949 = Iso 9001 + Automotive Requirements.

But it also exist ISO 9004 or EFQM model that goes beyond to the excellence in the organization.


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Dear JRubio,

I really don’t understand what’s the interest of “integrating EFQM with ISO/TS 16949:2002”.
The EFQM model goes a little into a TQM model, while this standard is just made of requirements for registration.
I think that what you can get, is a lot of good ideas from EFQM model, that you can use at your QMS made according to ISO/TS 16949:2002. Integration is asking too much...
But this is just my humble opinion...

Regards from Lisboa, (500 Km from Cadiz).:bigwave:

I wanted to know if someone has integrated the EFQM module into TS 16949.

Due to I am finding very interesting PARTICULARLY the score applied to the diferents parts of the moldel.

TS16949 = Iso 9001 + Automotive Requirements.

But it also exist ISO 9004 or EFQM model that goes beyond to the excellence in the organization.

:biglaugh:

Are you referring to the European Foundation for Quality Management Excellence Model?

I’m not the one that wrote for the first time this post, but EFQM is precisely The European Foundation for Quality Management Excellence Model, which has lots of similarity with the American Malcolm Baldrige award.

I’m not the one that wrote for the first time this post, but EFQM is precisely The European Foundation for Quality Management Excellence Model, which has lots of similarity with the American Malcolm Baldrige award.

Then I would agree with your earlier comment. Begin with a TS-compliant QMS, then use ISO 9004, EFQM or Malcom Baldridge to enhance the QMS by using those ideas that provide value, and discarding those ideas that do not bring value.

I have used many of the ideas in ISO 9004 that provide value, and use them as a reality check on the intent of the ISO 9001 requirements.

I have used many of the ideas in ISO 9004 that provide value, and use them as a reality check on the intent of the ISO 9001 requirements.


:applause: Excellent to hear someone using ISO 9004! It's a great document.

your previously emails was exactlly what I wanted to know how to fit these concepts.

Good Solution: First: ISO TS 16949 and then EFQM.

But probably new processes with new indicators will be required to cover all the aspects of EQFM Model.

Thanks for your support.

Remarks: Antonio we are really near, Best Regards my Portugal Friend. :agree1:

If I may so, I could give you a small advice.
Two years ago, I went to make a presentation in a large organization about ISO/TS 16949:2002 and the advantage of using some of the information contained at ISO 9004:2000.
That company was already registered by ISO/TS since the early version of 1999, but is still looking for upgrading their QMS.
I must tell you that much better and cheaper, for getting a real upgrade on the level of any good QMS is using some of the ideas (requirements) that ISO 9004:2000 states.
As Hjilling states, ISO 9004:2000 is a very good tool. It’s much better than some “Quality improvement” books I’ve read...
So my advice is:
Forget EFQM and focus on ISO 9004:2000...;)

Private for Javier Rubio: Cadiz is a wonderful place, I have family in Marbella, and I often go to El Puerto de Santa Maria with then. A beautiful place!:cool: