Does anyone know about a new draft version for OHSAS 18001???

Does anyone know about a new draft version for OHSAS 18001???Yes. A revision to OHSAS 18001 is underway. A committee is collecting all the suggested changes to the documents with a deadline of June 1st for submission. Working Draft 1, dated January 31, 06 is the latest draft available. One of the goals for the revision is to better align OHSAS 18001 with the ISO 14001:2004 version.

A date for release of the next revision of OHSAS 18001 is not established yet. Once OHSAS 18001:200X gets close to revision, the work to revise OHSAS 18002 will start.

I'm not very good at posting links so, if this doesn't work, don't shout.

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will get you to a free download of the latest working draft of OHSAS 18001.

Great find. One thing that I don't understand and maybe our BSi liaison, Mr. Randall Daily, could explain is the apparent over abundance of standards on the subject. Besides the ANSI Z10 document, the Canadian document (whatever designation it is), the UPCOMING OHSAS 18001:2007, it looks like BSi alone has 2 other documents: BS8800:2004 and a (yet to be released) BS 18001:2007. See attached.:mg: And let's not forget OHSAS 18002, which is a Guidance document.

The 30 November Draft is the one I mentioned a while back ( I can't remember the exact post). There was initial Draft earlier in the year that had a ton of comments and recommended changes which many of us contributed to. This 30 November Draft will probably be as the one that winds up being published unless some real heavy comments or recommendation come in to the working group (BSI, DNV, NSAI and all the others).

The BS 8800:2004 is a Guidance Document for OHSMS that originally came out in 1996. It was from BS 8800 and ISO 14001 that OHSAS 18001:1999 and OHSAS 18002:2000 came about. We give every student who attends one of our 18001 based courses a copy of BS 8800:2004 to use a reference along with copies of 18001 & 18002 (auditor course students also get a copy of ISO 19011:2002).

From what I have been led to believe (and was not denied by representatives of the Z10 Committee at the 2004 ASSE Convention in Las Vegas) the proliferation of OHS "Standards" by ANSI/AIHA and the Canadian counterpart came about after ANSI and others told the ISO that an OHS Standard would not be accepted in the good old "US of A" because there were too many standards, buisness would not accept it, organized labor would oppose it, blah, blah, blah. The ANSI Z10 has fallen flat on it's asz up to now as far as I am personally concerned. I have heard that the Canadian Z1000 has gained more acceptance but neither one is matching 18001 in its acceptance on an international basis.

If I'm incorrect on anything I'll appologize now. I'm on some sinus meds and my eysight and brain are fuzzy.

BTW...where does this Mr Randall Daily stuff come from? I'm just me, crazy old Randy:lol:

Thanks to the distinguished gentleman from Arkansas. However I humbly submit to your consideration that the coexistence of OHSAS 18001:2007 and BS 18001:2007, as well as BS8800 and OHSAS 18002 seem redundant and confusing to the OHS professionals around the World.

Not confusing to those that choose to read the inside of the front and back cover pages as well as the acknowledgements. The relationship is actually part of the course info in our 18K lead course and the non-accredited courses.

From everything I have been told (internally that is) the 2007 version is in DRAFT only, I have had it a week or 2. Until final acceptance 18001:1999 is the deal. That's not to say the wheels aren't in motion, I'm actually being required to incorporate proposed changes (for discussion only) in an onsite course in Jan 2007, so I have to get up to speed myself.

What are your sources telling you Sid?

Randy, two posts in a row that you used to plug in your courses.;) Don't be so blatant...:tg:

Just give a straight answer. Why should we have an OHSAS 18001:2007 AND a BS 18001:2007? Why should we have a BS8800 AND OHSAS 18002?

Sorry about the plugs, I misunderstood....

BS 18001:2007 and OHSAS 18001:2007 essentially will be the same document. BS will be a British National Standard and OHSAS 18001:2007 will be the International version. If an appropriate National Standards body desires to make the OHSAS version a National Standard they may of course do so.

The 8800 I think will be available as a generic guidance on how to establish an OHS and 18002 will be specifically directed towards supporting 18001. BS 8800 may also be superceded by 18002, but I'm not sure about that.

I commented to my group contact that incorporatiing the guidance information from 18002 into 18001 like the Z10 has would be a nice touch....No go on that!

Ya gotta understand, what those guys in the UK are doing is 39 echelons above and seperate from me and in a totally different organization from Management Systems organization I belong to.

The 30 November Draft is the one I mentioned a while back ( I can't remember the exact post). There was initial Draft earlier in the year that had a ton of comments and recommended changes which many of us contributed to. This 30 November Draft will probably be as the one that winds up being published unless some real heavy comments or recommendation come in to the working group (BSI, DNV, NSAI and all the others).

The BS 8800:2004 is a Guidance Document for OHSMS that originally came out in 1996. It was from BS 8800 and ISO 14001 that OHSAS 18001:1999 and OHSAS 18002:2000 came about. We give every student who attends one of our 18001 based courses a copy of BS 8800:2004 to use a reference along with copies of 18001 & 18002 (auditor course students also get a copy of ISO 19011:2002).

From what I have been led to believe (and was not denied by representatives of the Z10 Committee at the 2004 ASSE Convention in Las Vegas) the proliferation of OHS "Standards" by ANSI/AIHA and the Canadian counterpart came about after ANSI and others told the ISO that an OHS Standard would not be accepted in the good old "US of A" because there were too many standards, buisness would not accept it, organized labor would oppose it, blah, blah, blah. The ANSI Z10 has fallen flat on it's asz up to now as far as I am personally concerned. I have heard that the Canadian Z1000 has gained more acceptance but neither one is matching 18001 in its acceptance on an international basis.

If I'm incorrect on anything I'll appologize now. I'm on some sinus meds and my eysight and brain are fuzzy.

BTW...where does this Mr Randall Daily stuff come from? I'm just me, crazy old Randy:lol:


Let's not forget about the ANAB role in all of this confusion. ANAB was to roll out an ANSI Z10 registrar certification pilot program about a year ago and they put that on hold. According to ANAB, there are no ANAB accredited ANSI Z10 certificates, but some "unaccredited" ones have been issued. I learned this while having my ISO 14001 surveillance audit witnessed by ANAB several months ago. If you compare ANSI Z10 and OHSAS 18001, they are basically very similar.

Now if we could just trash all of these OH&S standards and just have one ISO standard..... (maybe in my lifetime).

Brent Smith

There are lots of similarities between Z10 and 18001 with a few glaring differences.

Z10 does not place ultimate responsibility for H&S on Top Management (owners, senior management or whatever you want to call the actual decision makers and money holders). This goes back to the "Behavior Based Safety" thing of empowerment, we all equally share, blah, blah, blah.

Z10 doesn't require the documentation of any type of procedure, instruction or whatever. This goes to the crowd that doesn't want to have their feet held to the fire and actually have to do what they state they will. "Oh, what we meant to say was, blah, blah, blah...."

There are some others too.

Z10...good document, but it does have some otential weakness because it had to be PC. Blah, blah, blah.

Another feature of ANSI Z10 is the way that it is organized with a column of more detailed guidance; it is like putting OHSAS 18001 and I8002 in the same document.

My point in saying that the two documents are more alike than not is to say that it would not take a world of effort to make a combined document into an ISO standard (not like starting from scratch).

Okay, quick question. I have Working Draft 1 (31Jan 2006) with Charles' letter dated 1 June 2006. Has a Final Draft been published, or do I have the latest copy?

Anyone know?

Has a Final Draft been published, or do I have the latest copy?
Anyone know?The latest version that I have is Working Draft # 2, dated November 30, 2006.

Does anyone have an up-to-date status of ANSI Z10? I know from my conversations with an ANAB contractor about a year ago that ANAB had indefinitely postponed its pilot program for ANSI Z10 audits by registrars. I also understand that a few registrars have issued unaccredited ANSI Z10 certifications. Does anyone know which registrars those are? I heard rumors that OSHA might require ANSI Z10 implementation for new VPP applicants; the last I heard though was that they had not implemented that action.

Does anyone have any more up-to-date news?

In my humble opinion Z10 currently is a boondoggle. There have been comments about OSHA's tie in with Z10, but I have not seen it. I know that we have not had any inquiries for registration and that 18001 is the going thing and getting stronger. Be that as it may here is what had been reported by ANAB. So far it seems that Intertek and UL are the only CB's in the ballgame.

CB Intertek Systems Certifications (formerly Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc.)
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country Mexico
# of Certs 2


CB Intertek Systems Certifications (formerly Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc.)
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country Thailand
# of Certs 1


CB Intertek Systems Certifications (formerly Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc.)
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country Turkey
# of Certs 6


CB Intertek Systems Certifications (formerly Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc.)
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country United States
# of Certs 21


CB Intertek Systems Certifications (formerly Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc.)
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country Canada
# of Certs 2


CB Intertek Systems Certifications (formerly Intertek Testing Services NA, Inc.)
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country China
# of Certs 17


CB Underwriters Laboratories
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country India
# of Certs 3


CB Underwriters Laboratories
Standard Z10 (OHSMS)
Country United States
# of Certs 1


Total
53

So far it seems that Intertek and UL are the only CB's in the ballgame.I don't believe these numbers. I am sure there was a mistake here. And on top of that, why non accredited certs would be listed in this database maintained by ANAB?

This database is flawed. Some "large" CB's don't have their data there. I wonder why...what are they afraid of? Maybe their inflated marketing numbers don't hold true when scrutinized? ;)

Who knows/ I just got curious and found the numbers.

I'm curious about the lack of information myself on some CB's certificate total's.


Anyway, back to the subject............

I just got word that the release of OHSAS 18001:2007 will be around July 2nd. This may or may not be an absolute, but that's what's been passed to me in the last couple of hours.

I just got word that the release of OHSAS 18001:2007 will be around July 2nd. This may or may not be an absolute, but that's what's been passed to me in the last couple of hours.http://www.comikaza.co.il/html/emoticons/emot-yawn.gif The anticipation is killing me...Just kidding. Thanks for the information.I'm curious about the lack of information myself on some CB's certificate total's.Really? I thought you had connections with at least one of them, which has not provided ANAB with their data...;)

http://www.comikaza.co.il/html/emoticons/emot-yawn.gif The anticipation is killing me...Just kidding. Thanks for the information.Really? I thought you had connections with at least one of them, which has not provided ANAB with their data...;)

Yeah, I know whereof you speak. Don't even ask me, I'm just another one of many faces and definitely not at the decision making level.

Yeah, I know whereof you speak. Don't even ask me, I'm just another one of many faces and definitely not at the decision making level.And I heard from an ANAB representative that the submission of the certificate data was MANDATORY. Looks like we need a definiton of the word mandatory in ISO 9000:tg:.

I still don't understand why a CB would not want to provide consolidated data to the ANAB database. What would they have to lose? :confused: Why hide the numbers?

And I heard from an ANAB representative that the submission of the certificate data was MANDATORY. Looks like we need a definiton of the word mandatory in ISO 9000:tg:.

I still don't understand why a CB would not want to provide consolidated data to the ANAB database. What would they have to lose? :confused: Why hide the numbers?

Maybe what is behind the numbers is worth not providing?

I'm looking forword to it.

Helo, im new here...
i would like to reconfirm that izzit the new version OHSAS 18001:2007 will come out the final draft on this coming July or come out the new revision OHSAS? ...pls updated me as much as possible, coz im working in ISO Consultant firm, have to updated the new regulation, any new revions to my consultants as well...
Where can i get the new revision of OHSAS 18001:2007?
Beside, i had read ur msg said that after the new revision of OHSAS 18001 completed & publiched...the next step, will be working the new revision for OHSAS 18002? do you think when the new revisions of OHSAS 18002 draft stages will start and complete?TQ for your impportant information...

Helo, tat`s great to get know there was a new revision of OHSAS 18001...
I would like to know that izzit the final draft oredy released to public? Or it will release in this July? i heard that the new revision of OHSAS 18001:2007 will publish this JUly? ...just final draft or the completed?
Besides, i also read ur msg that after the revision OHSAS 18001 complete. The next new issue will be the revieion for OHSAS 18002? am i right? So, when the new revision of OHSAS 18002 - 1st draft start? and when the final darft come out for OHSAS 18002?
Thanks for all of u guys updated information...i really need some1 to update me regarding the new revision OHSAS 18001:2007 cause i need to update my consultants as well...
And, where can i get the revision of OHSAS 18001:2007? If anyone have it, can share with all of us as attchment? Thanks so much...waiting for u guys reply ASAP!!!

Helo, tat`s great to get know there was a new revision of OHSAS 18001...
I would like to know that izzit the final draft oredy released to public? Or it will release in this July? i heard that the new revision of OHSAS 18001:2007 will publish this JUly? ...just final draft or the completed?
Besides, i also read ur msg that after the revision OHSAS 18001 complete. The next new issue will be the revieion for OHSAS 18002? am i right? So, when the new revision of OHSAS 18002 - 1st draft start? and when the final darft come out for OHSAS 18002?
Thanks for all of u guys updated information...i really need some1 to update me regarding the new revision OHSAS 18001:2007 cause i need to update my consultants as well...
And, where can i get the revision of OHSAS 18001:2007? If anyone have it, can share with all of us as attchment? Thanks so much...waiting for u guys reply ASAP!!!

Helo, im new here...
i would like to reconfirm that izzit the new version OHSAS 18001:2007 will come out the final draft on this coming July or come out the new revision OHSAS? ...pls updated me as much as possible, coz im working in ISO Consultant firm, have to updated the new regulation, any new revions to my consultants as well...
Where can i get the new revision of OHSAS 18001:2007?
Beside, i had read ur msg said that after the new revision of OHSAS 18001 completed & publiched...the next step, will be working the new revision for OHSAS 18002? do you think when the new revisions of OHSAS 18002 draft stages will start and complete?TQ for your impportant information...


Hello and Welcome. It is interesting to note that both of you not only think alike but have the same style of writing also. What a coincidence?

With regards to the standard, we do not post here because it is protected by copyright. 'SIRIM' is the place for you to buy a copy when it is available.

I don't believe these numbers. I am sure there was a mistake here. And on top of that, why non accredited certs would be listed in this database maintained by ANAB?The following is in ANAB's website where one can go check the certification totals:
“Certification Totals” is a new feature of ANAB’s site. Data totals refer to ANAB-accredited certificates issued by ANAB-accredited certification bodies (CBs). Certificates accredited by other accreditation bodies and unaccredited certificates are not included in totalsIf they don't have a running Z10 accreditation program, how could the CB's have accredited Z10 certificates? Do they (ANAB) even check the accuracy of the data submitted by the CB's? Do they care? :mad:

The following is in ANAB's website where one can go check the certification totals:
If they don't have a running Z10 accreditation program, how could the CB's have accredited Z10 certificates? Do they (ANAB) even check the accuracy of the data submitted by the CB's? Do they care? :mad:

It might have someting to do with the air or water in Milwaukee:lol:

I'm not very good at posting links so, if this doesn't work, don't shout.

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will get you to a free download of the latest working draft of OHSAS 18001.

Hello,
Cant get the link that u post in this forum...
anyway, if u dont mind..kindly give me the link that i can get the draft of the new version of OHSAS 18001 as soon as possible, better before end of June...
u can send to my private email : Deleted email address
Thanks for whatever the information related to the lastest version OHSAS 18001 that you can provide to me...


Best Regards,
PT.Ong

You can get a copy like everyone else, including me....wait until Juy 2nd when it is released and buy it from BSI, DNV or anyone else that offers it for sale.

Attached you will find a summary presentation with the key changes in the OHSAS 18001:2007 document.

Hello,Sidney Vianna,
Thanks lot for your document material of the summary of changes for OHSAS 18001:2007.

Thanks, Sidney for this excellent information.

best regards,

Antoine

I've already got my order in for a pdf version as soon as it can be released. I have tons of work to do myself with the re-writing of training courses and putting together a transition course for our folks as well. Iknow good and well that Sid's training folks as well as all the others that supply training have got to do the same.

From what I've been seeing, many of the existing systems already in place will have minimal change necessary, if any at all.

The "official" communique' is attached.

There has been a delay so the printing and release will be July 9, 2007. Mine is already on order.

I checked the BSI website and could no find the new standard available yet. any news on the release? If you have a direct link could you attach it? Thanks.:thanx:

The latest............

Media information
For immediate release
Thursday 12th July 2007


Occupational Health and Safety Management Systems Specification OHSAS 18001:1999 is now OHSAS 18001:2007

The British Standards Institution (BSI) is pleased to announce that the internationally recognized consortium specification for Occupational Health and Safety Management Systems, OHSAS 18001:1999 has been updated to become OHSAS 18001:2007

OHSAS 18001:2007 Occupational health and safety management systems - Requirements specifies requirements for an occupational health and safety (OH&S) management system, to enable an organization to control its OH&S risks and improve its performance.

The standard was first published by the OHSAS Project Group as a specification in 1999. Since then there have been 16,000 certifications to the standard in over 80 countries. Feedback from this broad community of users has been incorporated into the updated standard to strengthen its applicability. The new standard places greater emphasis on “health” rather than just “safety”. It is more logically laid out to assist organizations in the management of their occupational health and safety risks, offering significantly better alignment with the environmental management system standard ISO 14001:2004 and quality management system standard ISO 9000:2000. This makes it easier for organizations to harmonize and have one integrated management system in accordance with PAS 99.

For those organizations that have already achieved certification to OHSAS 18001:1999, or are in the final stages of achieving it, a two year "transition" period ending on July 1st 2009 has been agreed, in order to allow them to make the change to the new standard.

The sister standard OHSAS 18002:2000 Occupational Health and Safety Management Systems – Guidelines for the implementation of OHSAS 18001 is presently under review by the OHSAS Project Group to bring it into alignment with the new standard, but still offers valuable advice on achieving compliance to organizations wishing to implement the new standard.

BSI Management Systems provides professional training, assessment and certification services for OHSAS 18001 and associated country level standards worldwide.

Summary of key changes between OHSAS 18001:2007 and OHSAS 18001:1999

 The importance of "health" has now been given greater emphasis.
 OHSAS 18001 now refers to itself as a standard, not a specification, or document, as in the earlier edition. This reflects the increasing adoption of OHSAS 18001 as the basis for national standards on occupational health and safety management systems.
 The "Plan-Do-Check-Act" model diagram is only given in the Introduction, in its entirety, and not also as sectional diagrams at the start of each major clause.
 Reference publications in Clause 2 have been limited to purely international documents.
 New definitions have been added, and existing definitions revised.
 Significant improvement in alignment with ISO 14001:2004 throughout the standard; and improved compatibility with ISO 9001:2000.
 A new requirement has been introduced for the consideration of the hierarchy of controls as part of OH&S planning
 Management of change is now more explicitly addressed
 A new clause on the "Evaluation of compliance" has been introduced, as per ISO 14001:2004
 New requirements have been introduced for participation and consultation
 New requirements have been introduced for the investigation of incidents
OHSAS 18001:2007 Occupational health and safety management systems is available from your local BSI office or can be ordered directly from the BSI website at www.bsi-global.com/OHSAS18001

Price £50*, Member Price £25
For more information about health and safety standards and management systems certification please visit http://www.bsi-global.com/en/Assessment-and-certification-services/management-systems/Standards-and-Schemes/OHSAS-18001/


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Thanks Rnady for the useful information about the topic. I most probably be taking the lead auditor course next month or so.:applause:

A while back there was some dissent and muckraking about the status of OHSAS 18001 and its being a truly international document or Standard or even a standard at all. The following is extracted in part from OHSAS 18001:2007 to help clarify any mis-conception that may exist at this point.

From the Acknowledgement page...............
OHSAS 18001 has been developed with the assistance of the following cooperating organizations:
American Industrial Hygiene Association (AIHA)
Asociación Española de Normalización y Certificación (AENOR)
Association of British Certification Bodies (ABCB)
British Standards Institution (BSI)
Bureau Veritas
Comisión Federal de Electricidad (CFE), (Gerencia de la seguridad industrial)
Czech Accreditation Institute (CAI)
Det Norske Veritas (DNV)
DS Certification A/S
EEF the manufacturers’ organisation
ENLAR Compliance Services, Inc.
Health and Safety Executive1)
Hong Kong Quality Assurance Agency (HKQAA)
Inspecta Certification
Institution of Occupational Safety and Health (IOSH)
Instituto Argentino de Normalización y Certificación (IRAM)
Instituto Colombiano de Normas Técnicas y Certificación (ICONTEC)
Instituto de Normas Técnicas de Costa Rica (INTECO)
Instituto Mexicano de Normalización y Certificación (IMNC)
Instituto Uruguayo de Normas Técnicas (UNIT)
ITS Consultants
Japan Industrial Safety and Health Association (JISHA)
Japanese Standards Association (JSA)
Korea Gas Safety Corporation (ISO Certificate Division)
Lloyds Register Quality Assurance (LRQA)
Management Systems Certification Limited
National Standards Authority of Ireland (NSAI)
National University of Singapore (NUS)
Nederlands Normalisatie-instituut (NEN)
NPKF ELECTON
NQA
Quality Management Institute (QMI)
SABS Commercial (Pty) Ltd.
Service de Normalisation Industrielle Marocaine (SNIMA)
SGS United Kingdom Ltd
SIRIM QAS International
SPRING Singapore
Standards Institution of Israel (SII)
Standards New Zealand (SNZ)
Sucofindo International Certification Services (SICS)
Swedish Industry Association (Sinf)
TÜV Rheinland Cert GmbH – TÜV Rheinland Group
Standards Association of Zimbabwe (SAZ)

As you can clearly see (hopefully) this document was not developed by (1) single organization to suit its purposes, it was a combined effort by many. (Some of which may vist the Cove from time to time)

From the Forward page......
This Occupational Health and Safety Assessment Series (OHSAS)
Standard and the accompanying OHSAS 18002, Guidelines for the
implementation of OHSAS 18001, have been developed in response to
customer demand for a recognizable occupational health and safety
management system standard against which their management systems
can be assessed and certified.


Additionally the word "standard" is used 37 times many of them directed towards OHSAS 18001:2007 itself.

Based upon the evidence presented OHSAS 18001:2007 is an international Occupational Health and Safety Standard.

Good day!
I have the standard. See the link below.
I hope it will help.
If there are any quastions - write to me
Good luck!!!

P.S.: new version of the OHSAS 18001 is more sever (at some clauses) then previuos. But in general it just detailise the old version.

Good day!
I have the standard. See the link below.
I hope it will help.
If there are any quastions - write to me
Good luck!!!

P.S.: new version of the OHSAS 18001 is more sever (at some clauses) then previuos. But in general it just detailise the old version.

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Hi Rozzita and dear all

Greetings from Jakarta.
I would like to introduce myself, my name is Dani Darwis, I understand that this standard OHSAS is copyrighted document, I got the old version ohsas 1999, how can I get this new version of ohsas 18001?

Thanks and regards
Dani

Hi Rozzita and dear all

Greetings from Jakarta.
I would like to introduce myself, my name is Dani Darwis, I understand that this standard OHSAS is copyrighted document, I got the old version ohsas 1999, how can I get this new version of ohsas 18001?

Thanks and regards
Dani


Just follow this link and you can get one......
http://www.bsiamericas.com/OHS/Standards/index.xalter

Follow the link below for a BSI presentation on the subject of OHSAS.

http://seminar.bsi-global.com/OHSAS18001290108

I'm not sure when the link expires.

Thanks for the link of BSI Presentation.

Is there anybody can explain regarding how many documented procedures must be developed to comply with new version of OHSAS 18001:2007?

Thanks in advance
Dani Darwis

Thanks for the link of BSI Presentation.

Is there anybody can explain regarding how many documented procedures must be developed to comply with new version of OHSAS 18001:2007?

Thanks in advance
Dani Darwis

There are plenty of references in the standard to documents which are required such as scope, policy and objectives.

However, the standard clause 3.19 has a note stating that "procedures can be documented or not".

Clause 4.4.6 (a) requires documented procedures only "where their absence could lead to deviations from the OH&S policy and the objectives".

So, strictly speaking, you could get away with no documented procedures at all. You would need to justify that stance to yourself and, if you go for registration, to your external auditor.

Tyker is right:yes:.......but don't bet your paycheck on it.:nope:

Follow the link below for a BSI presentation on the subject of OHSAS.

http://seminar.bsi-global.com/OHSAS18001290108 I like the idea of BSi's Associate Consultant Programme, with "endorsed" consultants being referred by BSi.

I like the idea of BSi's Associate Consultant Programme, with "endorsed" consultants being referred by BSi.

This was a subject of conversation today during BS25999 training and at dinner as well. Utilization of the ACP here in the US is not at the same level of the UK, but there is potential for growth.

Here's the link to the UK site http://www.bsi-uk.com/ACP/index.xalter

Thank you Sidney.:thanks:

I like the idea of BSi's Associate Consultant Programme, with "endorsed" consultants being referred by BSi.Here's the link to the UK site http://www.bsi-uk.com/ACP/index.xalter I see that I used the word endorsed, incorrectly. Consultants are recommended, but not endorsed.

Yeah,we can't endorse or promise anything. Kinda like what I've done for folks here. No promises,just a name.

Here's another BSI presentation on the subject of implementing OHSAS 18001. It lasts about 30 minutes but is one of their better efforts.

I particularly like the bit which asks the question "How do you get management commitment?"

The answer "Well, it's not easy......."

http://seminar.bsi-global.com/OHSAS18001140208

Our good friends from NSAI are allowing for a FREE download of the Working Draft #1 of the OHSAS 18002 document:
OHSAS 18002 Occupational health and safety management systems - Guidelines for the implementation of OHSAS 18001:2007

Please point your browsers to
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and download away... don't forget to provide feedback. ;)

I just submitted my comments on the Draft to our people in the UK. The timeline looks like mid 2008 for the FD.

I just recently attended an OHSA 18001:2007 implementation course... and it's quite interesting... specifically the information this consultant provided regarding management of health & safety matrix... very useful! :agree1:

Hi Randy, & Tyker,
Thank you so much for the link to OHSAS.
Raffy

Our good friends from NSAI are allowing for a FREE download of the Working Draft #1 of the OHSAS 18002 document:
OHSAS 18002 Occupational health and safety management systems - Guidelines for the implementation of OHSAS 18001:2007

Please point your browsers to
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It appears that working draft #2 dated April 10, 2008 is available at the NSAI website:
http://www.nsai.ie/index.cfm/area/news/action/article/information/OHSAS18002draft2

Please return any comments by July 1, 2008. (oops!) :notme:

thanks a lot :agree1:

I also remember that the Old OHSAS 18001 standard made references to injury to property whilst the present version strictly relates to personnel. We planning to go for OHSAS in the first quarter of 2009 and so might be able to give more information, and receive some back also.

Hi Randy

I'm a little new to this site - so i probably clicked in the wrong place.

To the point, we already have 18001:1999 and we're currently working towards implementing 18001:2007. We've updated processes to included the amendments that the new "standard" requires. Do you (or anyone reading this post) know where i could find a self audit system checklist to ensure that our system conforms to the standard. We've done 2 system audits to the "standard", but would like to have a different view.

We are also going to be audited by our external auditors in February '09 to the new requirements and would just like to be prepared.

Yes, I do know where you can get one and you already have it....

Use 18001:2007 itself as your checklist, that's all I ever do.

Where the standard says..."the organization shall...", just change it "have we...?"

Do it for every requirement.

Thank you, I'm going to try doing it that way.

That is the way I do it as well as everybody I work with.

Once you have do that initial audit then performan audit just using your procedures and make sure you're doing what you stated you would do and are achieving the results you planned to achieve.

Using this method you are addressing the "3 dimensions" required for an effective system audit...Intent (design/planning), implementation (operational), and effectiveness.

I'll remember to do that.

Just a question regarding the layout of procedures. Something about writing procedures - would you say that it is important that on each procedure there needs to be reference to the legal requirements? At the moment there are long lists of all the legal & other requirements to each procedure - my argument is that - we have a legal register, couldn't a reference be made to the legal register? Would that be acceptable practice?

Auditors and trainers seem to drill us with this. Not only that - makes the person reading the procedure fall asleep before getting to the methods.

Hi Guys,

Check out this site for relevant docs.

4shared.com

Hi Guys,

Check out this site for relevant docs.

4shared.com

I don't know if I should do this...but here it is (http://www.4shared.com/network/search.jsp?searchmode=2&searchName=OHSAS+18001+).

Stijloor.

I don't know if I should do this...but here it is.The first document listed is the actual OHSAS 18001 standard. So, that site seems to facilitate the piracy of intelectual property. I don't think the Cove should promote it.
Other documents listed, such as presentations and papers, don't seem to be protected by copyright. So, those would be ok to share.

Hi!

The Randy’s answer to Chantelle (11th Nov. 2008 – how to create a self-service to that the system checklist ?) is with must simple and very relevant. I would have answered the same solution because I use myself this “natural” type of checklist, in particular to control légal conformity of an entity in this field.

But nobody answers to the other Chantelle’s question (12th Nov. 2008 - would you say that it is important that on each procedure there needs to be reference to the legal requirements ?). My answer / my opinion and according to my experiment : NO, it’s useless and rather tiresome. On the other hand any OHSMS procedure must or cannot contain contrary provisions with the legal H&S requirements…!

In addition, I share the concern of Sidney about the quoted site which seems to facilitate the piracy off the OHSMS national british standard or an other one, and the need to avoid promoting such sites. But no problem to obtain, free and legality, the international reference frame ILO-OSH 2001, directly on the site of the organization which produced it and diffuses it: http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/safework/
Or more precisely : http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/safework/managmnt/guide.htm

Best regards.