Folks,:eek:
Submission of the PPAP must be required by the supplying source or supplier.
Therefore in the bulk material segment we have several supplier (deliverers) and an only manufacturer (supplying source). :confused:

I have a litle doubts !!!! can you help me please ???

:thanx:

Folks,:eek:
Submission of the PPAP must be required by the supplying source or supplier.
Therefore in the bulk material segment we have several supplier (deliverers) and an only manufacturer (supplying source). :confused:

I have a litle doubts !!!! can you help me please ???

:thanx:

Hi Gilberto--I moved your post to the PPAP/APQP forum.

I'm not sure what you mean by "deliverers." Are you referring to distributors--companies that buy materials from the manufacturer and then sell them to your company? If so, the PPAP should come from the distributor--if PPAP is required--and the distributor should be responsible for obtaining the required information from the manufacturer(s).

I'm a bit confused by the description of the situation myself, but the rule of thumb is a linear submission process.

Raw Material(s) --> Processor --> Assembler --> Customer

Each submits to their customer. In the quickie example here, the Raw Material Supplier(s) provides PPAP to the Processor, their customer, and the Processor(s) would submit their PPAP (and, if required, the Raw Material Supplier's PPAP) to the Assembler who would, as the Assembler, have their own PPAP package to submit to the Customer. It's a 'chain' scenario.

We have a source that it manufactures and diverse companies who buy of this source that she manufactures and she resells, in the case buy of the sources that she resells, the serious doubt I must submit an only PPAP of the source that she manufactures or must ask for to all companies who in resell them?

We have a source that it manufactures and diverse companies who buy of this source that she manufactures and she resells, in the case buy of the sources that she resells, the serious doubt I must submit an only PPAP of the source that she manufactures or must ask for to all companies who in resell them?

PPAP should come from the company that you buy the product from. Your company issues a purchase order for goods, and receives an invoice from the seller--that's the company that should be submitting PPAP.

If I will have ten deliverers (mine supplier) and only manufacturer (supplying source), I have that to have the ten PPAP of each one of my deliverers, exactly knowing that all the documents/registers of the PPAP are of the same manufacturer (supplying source) the only part of the PPAP that if it modifies it is the layer ? will be that it is really necessary ?

If I will have ten deliverers (mine supplier) and only manufacturer (supplying source), I have that to have the ten PPAP of each one of my deliverers, exactly knowing that all the documents/registers of the PPAP are of the same manufacturer (supplying source) the only part of the PPAP that if it modifies it is the layer ? will be that it is really necessary ?

Once again: PPAP should come from the company that you buy the product from. Your company issues a purchase order for goods, and receives an invoice from the seller--that's the company that should be submitting PPAP.

Each direct supplier to you will (or should) have its own process documentation--flow diagrams, PFMEAs, control plans, etc.--that will make each PPAP submission unique, even though each direct supplier is procuring material from the same source. Note that you also have the option of dictating the extent of each submission (although suppliers will still be required to have all of the applicable documentation on file).

How about this. 2 scenarios:

1. maker --> Gilberto --> Company

2. maker --> 10 middlemen --> Gilberto --> Company

If Marc's example is taken, it would be 1 = 2 PPAP. 2 = 12 PPAP.

However, it depends completely on what Company desires.

TS-16949? QS-9000? Who is your customer and what do they require?

It does seem silly to have 10 PPAPs for exactly the same batch of bulk material, but I do not know TS or QS requirements that well.

Do the 10 middlemen do any work or resell only?

The PPAP manual says that we must follow this logic ???

What PPAP manual?

My Costumer are ISO TS 16949:2002.

3º edition, for the attendance of the requirement 7.3.6.3 ISO TS 16949:2002.

The standard way of submitting is like it was described. Supplier to customer and so on all the way up the food chain. However, there are cases where the automotive OEM (e.g., FORD, GM, DCX, etc.) can pre-source the product manufacture to one supplier ( a Tier 2) and then have a designated Tier 1 to order and maintain an inventory for dealer and plant orders. The OEM still approves the piece part manufacturer's (Tier 2) PPAP although it is submitted to the Tier 1. The Tier 1 is simply a conduit for the part to shipped to, packaged and stored.

3º edition, for the attendance of the requirement 7.3.6.3 ISO TS 16949:2002.

The 4th Edition PPAP manual just came out and I received our copies yesterday.

If I will have ten deliverers (mine supplier) and only manufacturer (supplying source), I have that to have the ten PPAP of each one of my deliverers, exactly knowing that all the documents/registers of the PPAP are of the same manufacturer (supplying source) the only part of the PPAP that if it modifies it is the layer ? will be that it is really necessary ?
Yes. :applause:

Operation Inspection, Transportation , Waiting , Storage all are Processes So as many points in Supply chain there should be PPAP at each stage . Each stage should have PPAP from its supplier. If One has direct control on Distributors then they can be made to supply the PPAP of original manufacturer. Distribution can have its own issues esp if goods have shelf life or need care in handling