Hi again all;
We are renewing our APQP system and are having a debate. Is it a requirement for product validation samples to be taken from your PPAP build, or can they be taken from a pre-PPAP production run?
Again any help from the Forum is greatly appreciated.;)
Thanks

Hi again all;
We are renewing our APQP system and are having a debate. Is it a requirement for product validation samples to be taken from your PPAP build, or can they be taken from a pre-PPAP production run?
Again any help from the Forum is greatly appreciated.;)
Thanks

By the time PPAP is due, it's way too late to be doing validation in most instances. Unless your customer has a specific requirement to the contrary, validation should be done before the PPAP run.

I agree, there is no value in running a quantity for PPAP if there is a problem, the costs will accumulate quickly. We run a very small sample (5 - we're a low volume manufacturer) and complete verification and validation at that point (fit, form and function and evaluate appearance if applicable). If all is good, we complete the PPAP run, Run at Rate etc. at that point. It has saved us alot of time, money and has prevented timing issues with our customer when design needs tweeking.

Just my two cents.

:thanx:
Thanks all :applause: ...hope this stops the "Departmental blood-shed"..:argue:

Hi again all;
We are renewing our APQP system and are having a debate. Is it a requirement for product validation samples to be taken from your PPAP build, or can they be taken from a pre-PPAP production run?
Again any help from the Forum is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

Hi Sharon

Check the APQP manual itself for ammo for your fight (debate?). PV comes many stages (and pages) before PPAP. It may provide an input to PPAP. I don't have the book in front of me or I'd try to quote the page numbers.

I wonder if you have a similar problem to us, people here try to equate APQP = PPAP when actually PPAP is only 1/42nd of APQP (if memory serves).

PPAP is in fact the report that shows that you have performed the APQP correctly including validating the part/process.
If you are not design responsible you only have to validate the process which you must do before supplying samples to the customer