Hi:

I recently joined a new company which has asked me to set up a basic Quality Mangement System. Their business is basically Metal Fabrication (around 50 employees ). Currently they do not have any procedures for their processes and inspection system. My previous company was ISO 9001:2000 certified so I have a general idea about how the system should look like.

Basically I would be incharge of creating the system from scratch and I am interested in creating it on the basis of ISO 9001: 2000 requirements so that in the future if the company is interested in getting certified we can update the system easily.

I would like to know where I can find more information about what is required for a basic level QMS (Quality Policy, Procedures, Work Instructions, Forms...) and how long would it take to create and implement the system.

I have created forms for Quality Inspection, Corrective and preventive Action (customer, supplier, Internal Failures) and Continual Improvement. I would also like to discuss about this with someone who has implemented a simple QMS in a company from scratch.

Any help in this area would be appreciated.

Thanks,

SB

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Hi:

I recently joined a new company which has asked me to set up a basic Quality Mangement System. Their business is basically Metal Fabrication (around 50 employees ). Currently they do not have any procedures for their processes and inspection system. My previous company was ISO 9001:2000 certified so I have a general idea about how the system should look like.

Basically I would be incharge of creating the system from scratch and I am interested in creating it on the basis of ISO 9001: 2000 requirements so that in the future if the company is interested in getting certified we can update the system easily.

I would like to know where I can find more information about what is required for a basic level QMS (Quality Policy, Procedures, Work Instructions, Forms...) and how long would it take to create and implement the system.

I have created forms for Quality Inspection, Corrective and preventive Action (customer, supplier, Internal Failures) and Continual Improvement. I would also like to discuss about this with someone who has implemented a simple QMS in a company from scratch.

Any help in this area would be appreciated.

Thanks,

SB


ISO 9001 is a good, basic choice. But, before you begin to write procedures and manuals, take a tip from the ISO standard itself. The very first clause talks about defining what the processes are. (4.1.a)

Define for each process what the interactions (inputs and outputs) are. (4.1.b)

Determine for each process how you will know effectiveness. In other words, what characteristics do you want? Low scrap, good productivity, gages that are calibrated on time...etc. (4.1.c)

Then, determine how you will measure those characteristics, and criteria for effectiveness are. (4.1.e)

When that is all established, then decide what procedures and docuemnts you will need in order to ensure these things are controlled and the desired outcomes are achieved.

This would be a great way to start.

Hi:

I would like to know where I can find more information about what is required for a basic level QMS (Quality Policy, Procedures, Work Instructions, Forms...) and how long would it take to create and implement the system.



The implementation process is time consuming. I completed an entire system from scratch for five facilities (different locations) and had them registered in 8 months. But that could be because of having over 20 years in the Quality Field. The management projected 2.5 years to complete.

In creating your system document and flow the processes first. That is where you want to start. Don't rush the development and implementation of the QMS, take your time and make it right. Make sure you have all the support from the floor personnel up (Top Management)

For further information use the ISO standards 9000, 9001 and 9004 and base the system on those.

If you need more help feel free to either email or PM me through the Elsmar cove (please be specific) and I will help you as much as I can.

One of the first steps is to determine your need.

A metal fab shop can mean many things.....for example if you do structural steel fabrication then chances are you will need IAS and/or AISC accreditation, depending on the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) where your steel goes.....

If you are making range hoods, you may need to have them "listed" by an organization like UL/CSA/Intertek/FM Approvals or similar.....

Pur another way, depending on the need you may have additional or unique requirements that are in addition to or in place of ISO 9001, and that needs to be identified first.

Once you have that information, then obtaining the appropriate Standard(s) and setting up the documentation and systems is a practical issue.

Hope this helps.

Hershal

Hi:

I recently joined a new company which has asked me to set up a basic Quality Mangement System. Their business is basically Metal Fabrication (around 50 employees ). Currently they do not have any procedures for their processes and inspection system. My previous company was ISO 9001:2000 certified so I have a general idea about how the system should look like.



Hi coolsreek and welcome to the Cove -

I didn't find your post until today - so my appologies.

Metal Fabrication - shear, punch, form, hardware, welding?

If so - start simple with your basic procedures for each operation. How do you set-up a punch? First piece approval, etc. I urge this because these steps are the meat of your process - key to your quality.

The CAPA and CI will come after you have these items in place.

Hope this helps a bit.

Is Continual Improvement required by ISO? I don't think continual Improvement is a requirement...

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Is Continual Improvement required by ISO? I don't think continual Improvement is a requirement...

Your question is a little off the original topic - but to answer your question - yes, it is required. Section 8.5.1 in the standard is titled "Continual Improvement".

Is Continual Improvement required by ISO? I don't think continual Improvement is a requirement...How do you read ISO 9001 8.5.1?

Irrespective of what ISO 9001 requires, an organization that is resistant to improvement (continual, continuous or else) has no future. So, what is the point of debating if ISO 9001 requires, or not, continual improvement?

8.5.1 states Improvement not Continual Improvement...Anyways, CAPA and everything that was mentioned should fall under Improvement...

I am new to this whole Quality thing. So, Pardon me........ I know there are a lot of professionals on this website and I am just trying to learn from them. That's all...So, I was kind of confused with the word "Continual Improvement".

I am new to this whole Quality thing. So, Pardon me........ I know there are a lot of professionals on this website and I am just trying to learn from them. That's all...So, I was kind of confused with the word "Continual Improvement".

Don't worry. Being new to this field (quality) is hard enough. Just continue asking questions when you have them, and a lot of Veterans (in the QA Field) will try to help.

Sorry....We are using ISO-13485, that's why I didn't see Continous Improvement....Anyways, Ignore me...

In Annex B of ISO 13485 : Bottom of section 8.5.1 of ISO13485 states. "Continual Improvement of the quality management system is not a current objective of regulations". Sorry...that I was off Topic...

Sorry...that I was off Topic...

Vinqua - don't sweat it -

I am new to this whole Quality thing.

and never forget that we all had to start somewhere.