We supply to a customer who requires PPAP L3. Some of the parts we supply are standardized fasteners such as bolt and screw. We plan to purchase those standardized fasteners on open market. The question is how to PPAP a standardized fastener which is purchased on open market? Or PPAP-ing a standardized fastener is not allowed in PPAP process.

Thanks
marsonintl

Normally catalogue parts do not need PPAP.
What is your process? Repacking? Inspecting?
If so then you should document your process and use the certificates of the supplier for the material

We supply to a customer who requires PPAP L3. Some of the parts we supply are standardized fasteners such as bolt and screw. We plan to purchase those standardized fasteners on open market. The question is how to PPAP a standardized fastener which is purchased on open market? Or PPAP-ing a standardized fastener is not allowed in PPAP process.

Thanks
marsonintl


The PPAP for a product is generally put together by the manufacture of that product. It is possible your customer is unclear about this transaction, or they may wnat you to provide certain information. It might be a good idea to discuss this with your customer.

Normally catalogue parts do not need PPAP.
What is your process? Repacking? Inspecting?
If so then you should document your process and use the certificates of the supplier for the material

Thank you for the answer. We have received a quote request for a PPAP part with quite a few components. What we found out is that some of the bolt and screw could be purchased on open market. Our responsibility is inspecting and repacking and ship them to our customer. My next question is how to control the quality of those catelogue parts that may be manufactured from various sources? Do we need inspect the catelogue parts manufacturer?

Regards
-marsonintl

The PPAP for a product is generally put together by the manufacture of that product. It is possible your customer is unclear about this transaction, or they may wnat you to provide certain information. It might be a good idea to discuss this with your customer.

I believe discussing with the customer is a good idea. Thank you!

Thank you for the answer. We have received a quote request for a PPAP part with quite a few components. What we found out is that some of the bolt and screw could be purchased on open market. Our responsibility is inspecting and repacking and ship them to our customer. My next question is how to control the quality of those catelogue parts that may be manufactured from various sources? Do we need inspect the catelogue parts manufacturer?

Regards
-marsonintl


No. And, if your customer is reasonable, you and they will decide what if anything needs to be done about the fasteners. If they are not a critical part, they may agree nothing is required for them. They could be validated along with the validation of your whole assembly. It is up to whatever you and your customer agree to.

Suggest your Customer a PPAP level 1,

Only to fulfill the PSW.

Regards,.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Suggest your Customer a PPAP level 1,

Only to fulfill the PSW.

Regards,.



Remember, a level 1 PPAP still requires you to develop all the pieces, but you don't submit them. Please refer to Submission Levels in the PPAP manual if you have questions.

Remember, a level 1 PPAP still requires you to develop all the pieces, but you don't submit them. Please refer to Submission Levels in the PPAP manual if you have questions.


You were right :agree1: :applause:

But you can propose your Customer only to submit the PSW and the modules you can meet to have at Site,

. The more similar to Level 1,

What I mean is many customer do not use only these levels they have
Customized Levels and the only use the PSW as cover sheet.

Some Customers only wants the PSW sheet....

You can propose to the Customer...:biglaugh:

What about special character customer showing

Might be like hardened or not ?

or Plated -Whatever type?

High Tensile ?

What about Those characters?

We have received a quote request for a PPAP part with quite a few components. What we found out is that some of the bolt and screw could be purchased on open market. My next question is how to control the quality of those catelogue parts that may be manufactured from various sources? Do we need inspect the catelogue parts manufacturer?

Regards
-marsonintl


If I am reading this correctly (sometimes I may see something that really isn't represented) but, is in the Quote stage (pre-planning stage)?"

If I am reading this as a quote, it would be the ideal place and time to quote with that following exception or reduction. And see if that is really what they are looking for.

I am no expert in the TS requirements, I have only completed a few (3 or 4) PPAP's as the tier 3 supplier awhile ago, but I have been involved in a lot of Quote stages.

Something to consider is whether the customer is following PPAP or using it as a template for their own PPAP. This is common when supplying as Tier 2 or 3.

In these cases the customer's supplier manual is a sort of short & sweet version of AIAG's requirements, and their level of submission requirements might differ somewhat.

I guess I'm saying to ask the customer what they need, which has already been suggested.

:)

Some Customers only wants the PSW sheet....

You can propose to the Customer...:biglaugh:


Thanks for the reply