Hi all
I am a Masters student in detroit, specialized in quality engineering.
I am looking for a breakthrough into the QE field. I have applied to jobs, but did not get any response :frust: ; as I was not experienced. My batchmates applied with "experience", which they did not have for 6 years, but said a couple of stories hearing from a couple of seniors working in the QE.
Is there no place for honesty? :mad:
I am really looking for a break, I know all the Quality stuff in and out. Give me a chance and I'll prove it to you.
Is there anybody out there who is listening, willing to give honesty a chance.

Student.

Dear Student.

In the Quality Arena this is a very interesting question....

No!
There is no place for honesty.
For any starter its very difficult to start with a dept. like QUALITY...its my personal feeling....and experience....
you will be having a very tough time if you are a starter and directly into QUALITY...........especially in a manufacturing sector;its horrible!!!!!!
WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST!!

I have seen many people with 10 or more years of expirience and at the end a well motivated person with solid knowledge could quickly beat them.

Thats why I do not understand the company who do not give a chance to Starters.

In my case I only have 1 year or Qaulity expirience.

Good luck studend....

That´s why I lost my last job.... :mad: :mad: :mad:

But I always pursuit that honestity must be the compass for all acts in our lifes.

That´s why I lost my last job.... :mad: :mad: :mad:

But I always pursuit that honestity must be the compass for all acts in our lifes.

this was the reason I said in my earlier post that QUALITY is not the right field for any starter...anybody who has a experience of 1+ years of experience in manufacturing and then jumps into QUALITY should do good......
I am having 4+ years of experience in QUALITY. started my career with QUALITY...had a very tough time in my earlier days..... but now comfortable......
If you are starting your career with QUALITY you should have a very good boss....then there are chances of suviving in this field as a starter....
I had a very good boss(:cool:).... and so I am......
learnt lot of stuff.......

Hi all
I am a Masters student in detroit, specialized in quality engineering.
I am looking for a breakthrough into the QE field. I have applied to jobs, but did not get any response :frust: ; as I was not experienced. My batchmated applied with "experience", which they did not have for 6 years, but said a couple of stories hearing from a couple of seniors working in the QE.
Is there no place for honesty? :mad:
I am really looking for a break, I know all the Quality stuff in and out. Give me a chance and I'll prove it to you.
Is there anybody out there who is listening, willing to give honesty a chance.

Student.


Student,

There is always a place for honesty. I have been in this business for over 20 years and I have not yet had to lie. I have always been honest.

The quality field is very difficult. There is a lot of pressure on a day-to-day basis and stress. You must learn to handle the stress, be diplomatic, tactful and stay your course.

If you are choosing to enter a very difficult profession, be prepared.


Coury Ferguson

Hi all
I am a Masters student in detroit, specialized in quality engineering.
I am looking for a breakthrough into the QE field. I have applied to jobs, but did not get any response :frust: ; as I was not experienced. My batchmated applied with "experience", which they did not have for 6 years, but said a couple of stories hearing from a couple of seniors working in the QE.
Is there no place for honesty? :mad:
I am really looking for a break, I know all the Quality stuff in and out. Give me a chance and I'll prove it to you.
Is there anybody out there who is listening, willing to give honesty a chance.

Student.I have a hunch "honesty" has little to do with your current situation. Because you are young and inexperienced, you are also apparently inexperienced in efficient and successful strategies for finding a job where your contributions will be appreciated and rewarded with pay.

My own long and sometimes hard experience is that most job seekers do not realize the task of job hunting is a learned skill and requires as much studying and rehearsing as any other complicated task.

The fact is most employers do not know what you can do for them unless you tell them specifically. I don't mean to embarrass you, but I am willing to bet serious money that I would be able to point out serious flaws in your cover letter and resumé which would automatically relegate them to the "circular file" by most gatekeepers.

Why not read through these two threads
Resume and cover letter - How good are yours? (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=10169)
Tips to get past the "gatekeeper" when job hunting (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=9325)
and reconsider your job search methodology?

My colleague, Randy, might use harsher language, but the fact is no one owes you a job - you have to earn it. The best way to earn it is to answer the question in every employer's mind, "What can you do for me?"

So, if there is any motto to paste over your computer monitor, it might be
"Ask not what the employer can do for you, but what you can do for the employer - then TELL HIM, not everyone else."

The only thing that any of us have is our name.
The industrial world, especially of quality and of automotives is very small.
The only way to safeguard your name and future is by working in an ethical and honest manner.
This in my opinion is the only way to work. If others do not then in the end they will loss.

Hi Wes
That was very motivating. I have just been applying as a mad person to as many requirements as possible in the day. That is my Job till I land myself into one. I have my profile I would love to post here, but not very advisable.
I have read the books on interviews like "knock em dead". I would do it if I get a call for interview. I call all the people who post their jobs and talk with them about the specific requirements for the job, the duties assiciated with it. When they hear that the only thing I get to hear is " You are very smart and knowledgeable, but we are looking for somebody with experience". I even offered to work for free to get trained, which was also turned down.
WES what else would you suggest?????
I really appoligize if you find it offending.

Hi Wes
That was very motivating. I have just been applying as a mad person to as many requirements as possible in the day. That is my Job till I land myself into one. I have my profile I would love to post here, but not very advisable.
I have read the books on interviews like "knock em dead". I would do it if I get a call for interview. I call all the people who post their jobs and talk with them about the specific requirements for the job, the duties assiciated with it. When they hear that the only thing I get to hear is " You are very smart and knowledgeable, but we are looking for somebody with experience". I even offered to work for free to get trained, which was also turned down.
WES what else would you suggest?????
I really appoligize if you find it offending.


Student,

In my opinion, I don't think Wes meant what you think (correct me if I am wrong Wes). He was stating the facts of the specific situation. Most companies want someone with experience because they really don't want to spend the time to train. I would suggest you look at the possibilities of an internship with some company. I know of one company that looks for interns. Their name is Vermeer Manufacturing located in Iowa, and their website is: http://www.vermeermfg.com Go to their website and see if they have something that fits your goals.


Coury Ferguson

Thanks very much for your help and suggestion. I would surely look at it.
As for Wes I was just saying that I am not waiting for the Job to come, I am working for it. I know Wes does not mean anything bad. He is a nice and a wise guy. I read a lot of his suggestions on the board. I respect all of you guys on the board.

Allow me to be somewhat harsh for a bit...

Having hired "starter" engineers in the recent past I have found that in some cases students fresh out of school have a sense of entitlement that does not synch with the "real world". Like they feel that their piece of paper guarantees them a job they treat the interview like THEY are interviewing ME.
I have told a couple "Get over yourself then, if you really want to work here, re-apply someday".

That being said - take Wes' advice and read what he linked to.

There are places for the recently degreed in Quality Engineering. But don't expect a supervisory position. I suggest looking at big companies with large QA organizations - like pharmaceutical and Medical device companies, Cosmetic and personal care companies, basically anything regulated.

Allow me to be somewhat harsh for a bit...

Having hired "starter" engineers in the recent past I have found that in some cases students fresh out of school have a sense of entitlement that does not syn ch with the "real world". Like they feel that their piece of paper guarantees them a job they treat the interview like THEY are interviewing ME.
I have told a couple "Get over yourself then, if you really want to work here, re-apply someday".

That being said - take Wes' advice and read what he linked to.

There are places for the recently degreed in Quality Engineering. But don't expect a supervisory position. I suggest looking at big companies with large QA organizations - like pharmaceutical and Medical device companies, Cosmetic and personal care companies, basically anything regulated.

Some time ago I read an article in Harvard Business Review about "The Great American Dream" being a myth. The company I work at has hired numerous college grads over the years. It seems many of them come to work straight out of college expecting to make it big right away. They don't. Often they quote their college professors as telling them how well they will do in their chosen profession once they have that coveted 'sheepskin'. Then they hit the brick wall in the real world. Education does not equal experience. It seems that colleges pump students expectations up too much. Maybe to justify the expense of tuition.

How concentrated is your search? Many people try the "shotgun" approach to job hunting, where they fire off as many resumes as possible and hope that through shear numbers, one will hit the target. This can get frustrating because - as you noted - you get lots and lots of misses for every hit.

Instead, you might try more of a "rifle" approach, where you take careful aim at one or two targets per day. Check out the webpages for the companies and find out what they sell, learn what the trends are in that industry, find out if you know somebody who knows somebody at that company, see if any of the ASQ officers at the local section have email addresses at that company and seek them out at the next section meeting.... Many other good ideas are in the other threads linked earlier in this thread.

Also, judging from some of the phrasing in your posts, I would guess you are a foreign student (you can correct me if I'm wrong). Unfair as it may be, some people would rather not hire a person who is foreign, no matter how intelligent or experienced he (or she) is. So you may have one strike against you already in some people's perspective. On the other hand, an ability to communicate well in English is a reasonalbe expecation, and any cover letter or resume with poor grammar or odd phrasing is likely to move down the list and quite possibly out of consideration. You might find a friend who could read through your correspondence and suggest minor improvements so that it would sound a little more natural to American readers.


Tim F

Hi Wes
That was very motivating. I have just been applying as a mad person to as many requirements as possible in the day. That is my Job till I land myself into one. I have my profile I would love to post here, but not very advisable.
I have read the books on interviews like "knock em dead". I would do it if I get a call for interview. I call all the people who post their jobs and talk with them about the specific requirements for the job, the duties assiciated with it. When they hear that the only thing I get to hear is " You are very smart and knowledgeable, but we are looking for somebody with experience". I even offered to work for free to get trained, which was also turned down.
WES what else would you suggest?????
I really appoligize if you find it offending.I'm being as honest as I can when I tell you to read EVERYTHING in the two threads I cited.

It is obvious to me, even if it is not obvious to you - you are going about the job search in EXACTLY the wrong way!

As my colleague, Akio Miura, one of the premier Quality gurus in Japan would say, "Your current method is pure muta!"

Many of the books which talk about "killer interviews" forget the basic fact you have to get the interview in the first place. Next, you have to be sure YOU can solve the company's problems. How can you be sure if you don't know what they are? Many times, the company doesn't realize what its problems really are. The value of experience is being able to glean the information from disparate sources.

If you can do this when you approach a company directly (rather than throwing your resumé in the slush pile with hundreds of others responding to public postings for a job), and then give some concrete examples of how your education and skill combined with your limited experience will go toward solving these problems (which they may not have identified themselves), you will have a much better chance of looking like the premier candidate instead of just one of hundreds.

:topic: Let me point out one really harsh fact of life: Since I am not running an organization with known or even unknown problems, sending me a resumé or cover letter for evaluation would be a type of muta. All I would be able to do is point out glaring errors. It would be much better for someone who knows you and your abilities well to determine whether

you are honest in the picture you present of your knowledge and skills
you have done an adequate research (reflected in your cover letter and the "slant" of your resumé) of the target employer to compel him to call you for a followup interview.The review by a trusted friend should be a dialog with a view toward repeated editing to get EACH proposal to a prospective employer as good as possible.

This means you should not be wasting your time replying to ANY blind ads because you can't do adequate research to tailor your cover letter to fit him specifically.

Some time ago I read an article in Harvard Business Review about "The Great American Dream" being a myth. The company I work at has hired numerous college grads over the years. It seems many of them come to work straight out of college expecting to make it big right away. They don't. Often they quote their college professors as telling them how well they will do in their chosen profession once they have that coveted 'sheepskin'. Then they hit the brick wall in the real world. Education does not equal experience. It seems that colleges pump students expectations up too much. Maybe to justify the expense of tuition.

I think it's a also lingering symptom of the dot-com boom. I noticed it beginning in the late 90's when new college grads were making mad cash designing web pages while sitting in their Aeron chairs and drinking free coffee and soda.

But I understand your point totally. I came out of college in 1990 expecting to work my way up just like everyone else. I guess my professors, many of whom worked in the "real world" before teaching, didn't boost our expectations.

Hi Tim,
You seem to be a mind reader....
Most of the things you have pointed out are correct.
I am going to try and hope your technique really works.
I really appreceate your valuable time for responding to my plea.
Thanks

I have just been applying as a mad person to as many requirements as possible in the day. That is my Job till I land myself into one.

Have you considered applying with a temporary job placement service? We were recently struggling to find a cold header operator with 20+ years experience and had to look through a temp service to find one; not to mention that's how I got my foot in the door.

Just a thought.

Allow me to be somewhat harsh for a bit...

Having hired "starter" engineers in the recent past I have found that in some cases students fresh out of school have a sense of entitlement that does not synch with the "real world". Like they feel that their piece of paper guarantees them a job they treat the interview like THEY are interviewing ME.
I have told a couple "Get over yourself then, if you really want to work here, re-apply someday".

That being said - take Wes' advice and read what he linked to.

There are places for the recently degreed in Quality Engineering. But don't expect a supervisory position. I suggest looking at big companies with large QA organizations - like pharmaceutical and Medical device companies, Cosmetic and personal care companies, basically anything regulated.

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I think that education is mor than "piece of paper" ...

In Europe to have a degree is cheap, and all the people who wants to study can afford it (Spain), but in any case a degree is considered as a piece of paper.

I'm being as honest as I can when I tell you to read EVERYTHING in the two threads I cited.

It is obvious to me, even if it is not obvious to you - you are going about the job search in EXACTLY the wrong way!

As my colleague, Akio Miura, one of the premier Quality gurus in Japan would say, "Your current method is pure muta!"

Many of the books which talk about "killer interviews" forget the basic fact you have to get the interview in the first place. Next, you have to be sure YOU can solve the company's problems. How can you be sure if you don't know what they are? Many times, the company doesn't realize what its problems really are. The value of experience is being able to glean the information from disparate sources.

If you can do this when you approach a company directly (rather than throwing your resumé in the slush pile with hundreds of others responding to public postings for a job), and then give some concrete examples of how your education and skill combined with your limited experience will go toward solving these problems (which they may not have identified themselves), you will have a much better chance of looking like the premier candidate instead of just one of hundreds.

:topic: Let me point out one really harsh fact of life: Since I am not running an organization with known or even unknown problems, sending me a resumé or cover letter for evaluation would be a type of muta. All I would be able to do is point out glaring errors. It would be much better for someone who knows you and your abilities well to determine whether

you are honest in the picture you present of your knowledge and skills
you have done an adequate research (reflected in your cover letter and the "slant" of your resumé) of the target employer to compel him to call you for a followup interview.The review by a trusted friend should be a dialog with a view toward repeated editing to get EACH proposal to a prospective employer as good as possible.

This means you should not be wasting your time replying to ANY blind ads because you can't do adequate research to tailor your cover letter to fit him specifically.


I would like to speak English as Tony Blair (U.K) and write as Wes Bucey ;)

Hi Mr Wes,
Yes you are right, in all you have said. I think the term you want to use here is Muda. I am trying to learn from professionals like you and others on the Forum. Yes you are also right about the blind ads that come everyday. The best place I found any responses was in the newspapers. Thanks Mr. Wes, for your advice.
I'll try to work on my short commings.

The Government Of the USA will not allow me to work on anything less than that of my qualifacation. Being a Masters I can only work as a QE.
Dont get me wrong, I have N0 arrogance, and willing to learn in any capacity.
I am a foreign student and hence the government regulations apply.

Thanks for you kind advice and your humble experience.

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I think that education is mor than "piece of paper" ...

In Europe to have a degree is cheap, and all the people who wants to study can afford it (Spain), but in any case a degree is considered as a piece of paper.

Yes. It is. I'm proud of my engineering degree and the time/effort I put into it.
But on the other hand - the engineer who had the biggest impact on my career had only a 2 year degree in drafting.

I definately think the attitude is there that the "piece of paper" entitles one to a good job. And it's more evident in American students in America than foreign students in Amserica. But that's a whole other can of worms.

The Government Of the USA will not allow me to work on anything less than that of my qualifacation. Being a Masters I can only work as a QE.
Dont get me wrong, I have N0 arrogance, and willing to learn in any capacity.
I am a foreign student and hence the government regulations apply.

Thanks for you kind advice and your humble experience.

Really? Is that how it works?

Can't it be a little flexible, like looking for jobs that are related to QE, but don't necessarily carry the title...
Like "validation engineer". I believe they are still in demand, expecially in computers, drug, and medical devices.
Or "Process Engineer" is always a good catch-all.
"Project Engineer" or "Project Manager" too...

Yes. It is. I'm proud of my engineering degree and the time/effort I put into it.
But on the other hand - the engineer who had the biggest impact on my career had only a 2 year degree in drafting.

I definately think the attitude is there that the "piece of paper" entitles one to a good job. And it's more evident in American students in America than foreign students in Amserica. But that's a whole other can of worms.


:agree1:

Hi all
I am a Masters student in detroit, specialized in quality engineering.
I am looking for a breakthrough into the QE field. I have applied to jobs, but did not get any response :frust: ; as I was not experienced. My batchmates applied with "experience", which they did not have for 6 years, but said a couple of stories hearing from a couple of seniors working in the QE.
Is there no place for honesty? :mad:
I am really looking for a break, I know all the Quality stuff in and out. Give me a chance and I'll prove it to you.
Is there anybody out there who is listening, willing to give honesty a chance.

Student.

It depends on what you're looking for. Believe me, if you have no experience in industry, you do not know all the quality stuff in and out. I've been in quality for ~30 years, and I don't know all the quality stuff in and out. I learn something new here at the Cove practically every day. There's no substitute for honesty in characterizing your experience with potential employers. It's a difficult nut to crack. You just have to keep at it.

Student,

Our local ASQ section holds monthly meetings where employers make announcements regarding open positions (translation= real jobs). Maybe if you could attend your local ASQ's meetings you'll find the same takes place there.

BTW, my name is Jaime. What is your name?

Jaime

not know all the quality stuff in and out. I've been in quality for ~30 years, and I don't know all the quality stuff in and out. I learn something new here at the Cove practically every day. There's no substitute for honesty in characterizing your experience with potential employers. It's a difficult nut to crack. You just have to keep at it.

Ditto, I have been in quality for 40 years and don't know all the quality stuff. It is a dynamic profession, as well as frustrating and rewarding.
Just keep trying to get your foot in the door. Afterall, most "quality stuff" is about persistence and determination in getting other people to do what needs to be done to satisfy requirements. Plod on, plod on ,plod on;)

The response to this thread is interesting. I think the consensus is that some GOOD experience is necessary to get even a start at most companies.

I think most would also agree that employers are not mindreaders - candidates have to TELL them how the employer will benefit by hiring the candidate.

Another sad truth is most employers who post job listings get a lot of good responses along with many more "so so" replies and an undetermined number of "dreck" replies where employers say, "How on earth did this guy think he qualified?"

I recall some Board members of a very large petrochemical firm telling the tale at a golf outing of one guy who had applied for the job of CEO of their company when his sole experience after 6 years of high school was as a gas station attendant for 7 years. They had photocopies of the cover letter (handwritten on notebook paper) to back the tale. Many of us at the nineteenth hole could not believe the truth of the tale even with the photocopy.

More and more companies have abandoned any pretense of courtesy and do not bother to send rejections to candidates on the "do not call" list simply because experience says that a small number will take ANY correspondence, even rejections, as a sign the door is still open for them. My own opinion is the practice is a tossup, with no rejection being an open invitation for multiple follow-ups asking if the employer has come to a decision.

Compounding the problem from the employer's point of view is the propensity of some would-be candidates to file nuisance lawsuits when their job searches are frustrated. This fear may be the main reason some employers run blind ads, even though they know the elite candidates will NEVER reply to a blind ad, thus limiting themselves to the "so so" candidates. Any elite candidate who thinks he can beat the "game" by applying to blind ads must understand the employer already has a mind set that only "so so" candidates and losers will reply and thus will be forever characterized as one or the other by the employer.

It depends on what you're looking for. Believe me, if you have no experience in industry, you do not know all the quality stuff in and out. I've been in quality for ~30 years, and I don't know all the quality stuff in and out. I learn something new here at the Cove practically every day. There's no substitute for honesty in characterizing your experience with potential employers. It's a difficult nut to crack. You just have to keep at it.
You guys here are Quality gurus, I might not be as good as you all are, but a learner who can catch up soon.
Well you are right................
I might not know everything as you pointed out, but as much knowledge as anyone among us had while starting your jobs as quality.................
Only thing is a fair chance to prove my self..............

Thanks

I worked full time as a machinist trainee, machinist, inspector and engineering technician during my last two year in college. I got hired as a QE right away after getting my engineering degree because I had experience. I worked full time and studied for my MBA part time and the company paid for it.
Are there co-op opportunities that you can get some experience at your university? Any experience would help.

You guys here are Quality gurus, I might not be as good as you all are, but a learner who can catch up soon.
Well you are right................
I might not know everything as you pointed out, but as much knowledge as anyone among us had while starting your jobs as quality.................
Only thing is a fair chance to prove my self..............

ThanksTrust me on this. Feeling sorry for yourself and trying to shift the blame to those who won't "give" you a chance is a sure ticket to failure and frustration.

I still have a hunch (by the tenor of your most recent post) you have not read through the threads I suggested. Life is not inherently fair. Folks make their own breaks by being proactive and showing the benefit they will provide to a potential employer.

Can you state (in 10 sentences or less) what that benefit is? Probably not, if you don't know who the prospective employer is. That requires the kind of research suggested in the two threads I recommended.

I am reminded of a mini golf lesson I gave to a neighborhood kid over the weekend. The essence was to use the mnemonic "PGA" for Posture, Grip, Alignment. I added that "A" also stands for Attitude. Transferring the lesson I gave her to you - you need to change your attitude because it will come through in your writing as it has here in this thread and it WILL hinder your chances of ever getting a successful shot.

Hi Mr. Wes,
I think your name "wise" would sound more appropriate. I read through both the threads and did a honest introspection. I found many things wanting in me on getting past the gatekeepers. I really think I would apply your suggestions and hope to get some 'yes' men.
Thankyou very much; you were of a great help, and your guidance will always be like a headlight in front of my learning process.

Student, you seem like a fast learner so I sense you can do well. And it's true that a lack of experience is hurting you. However, I hasten to point out that I have many years of experience to pick and choose from in tailoring my resume, certifications aplenty and so on. It took me five years--count 'em, five, to get my current position.

I gained a lot of job hunting skill while doing so, and worked in a different career field that I can manage to bend into an asset (My line is, no one understands human performance management as well as teachers. It so happens I believe it, and am grateful for the experience). A teensy bit of humility and a lot of intuitive niceties are critical. What you need is to take a deep breath and count your skills. You cannot send your resume out willy-nilly. You must study the ad and think: "What have I done that will serve what they need, and how's the best way to describe it?"

Practice makes perfect, so I want you to start by visiting your college career center. There may still be a co-op available. Take even the humble one; you are a student opf the world. We all are. You could be amazed what wisdom can be gained by looking up from the bottom.

Ask your career center for job seeker's counseling; start from the beginning, in tailoring that resume and cover letter so they make the reader believe your skills are just what they want. Even similar phrasing to the ad could benefit you; an organization of knuckle-draggers will not call you if your resume reads like a PhD dissertation.

Follow Wes's advice carefully and think hard on your next move. It's still a competetive job market but with the right attitude and approach you can do well.

Lastly, I want you to make a daily exersize of counting things to be grateful for and running through that list. Go to sleep reciting it. I declare a thankful spirit is the sign of a healthy attitude, which is much more likely to be hired than a frustrated one. People can smell angst a mile off and avoid it unless they want miserable company.

I hope this helps!

The Government Of the USA will not allow me to work on anything less than that of my qualifacation. Being a Masters I can only work as a QE.
Dont get me wrong, I have N0 arrogance, and willing to learn in any capacity.
I am a foreign student and hence the government regulations apply.

Thanks for you kind advice and your humble experience.Are you in the USA on an H1B Visa (http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm)? If you are here on a student visa (http://www.uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-10903/slb-17228/slb-17715?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm#slb-8cfrsec2142f), then I believe you can work no more than 20 hours per week. Under these circumstances, it is understandable, that you are finding it difficult to find employment. But, I think it is best that we not pursue this discussion in that direction.

Are you in the USA on an H1B Visa (http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/h1b.htm)? If you are here on a student visa (http://www.uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-10903/slb-17228/slb-17715?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm#slb-8cfrsec2142f), then I believe you can work no more than 20 hours per week. Under these circumstances, it is understandable, that you are finding it difficult to find employment. But, I think it is best that we not pursue this discusion in that direction.If so, it is all the more reason to see the school's career office. I expect there would be a program to suit these parameters.

:thedeal:It's about a week and no response.

:thedeal:It's about a week and no response.If we speak of visa status, perhaps "student" suddenly "awakened" to reality of job possibilities for his personal status and the question which began the thread is moot if the student was NOT honest to himself about his status.x

Pride may preclude 'fessing up.:uhoh:

If we speak of visa status, perhaps "student" suddenly "awakened" to reality of job possibilities for his personal status and the question which began the thread is moot if the student was NOT honest to himself about his status.x

Pride may preclude 'fessing up.:uhoh::agree1:That is somewhat along the the lines of what I was thinking.

It's really hard to find work in Quality these days, as mentioned earlier the Quality/Automotive group consist of a small amount of people that seem to move from plant to plant. I do not have a degree, but I have been in the Qualilty field my entire working life (over 20 years). Last year I found myself looking for a job and it took me almost 8 months and I have had to settle for a contract engineering job with a company that needs my help, but doesn't want to hire me full time. I am here on a month to month contract while they go through several new product launches.
Try one of the contract companies, they are good at helping you (for free) and it gives you a chance to get some more experience and if you are lucky, you can get into a company as a contractor, show them what you can do and sell yourself for a full time position with the company. (I like the contract work, it gives me a chance to work different places, my last contract lasted for 2 years and I have been here since October)
Here in Indiana the company is called Aerotek Contract Engineering, I think they have placements in all states. Also try thingamajob.com.
Its not easy to get into Quality, degree or experience.

Hi Acook,
Yes you are right about most of the things. I am also in contact with a lot of the consulting companies. I also spoke with the Aerotek recruiter, they are not able to offer sponsorship.
I am also currently trying other recruiters, hope to succeed very soon.

Thanks for your kind advice.
:thanks:

Hi all
I am a Masters student in detroit, specialized in quality engineering.
I am looking for a breakthrough into the QE field. I have applied to jobs, but did not get any response :frust: ; as I was not experienced. My batchmates applied with "experience", which they did not have for 6 years, but said a couple of stories hearing from a couple of seniors working in the QE.
Is there no place for honesty? :mad:
I am really looking for a break, I know all the Quality stuff in and out. Give me a chance and I'll prove it to you.
Is there anybody out there who is listening, willing to give honesty a chance.

Student.

Ex Student,
I want to be the first to congratulate you for your new job, for me it is interesting that you visited previously this site before. It seems that this site is also a good place for beginners and people willing to improve the Quality.

PDCA....

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Ex Student,
I want to be the first to congratulate you for your new job, for me it is interesting that you visited previously this site before. It seems that this site is also a good place for beginners and people willing to improve the Quality.

PDCA....

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Yes, I agree. Congratulations on getting a job that fit your parameters!

Student wrote to some members privately saying
Hi wes,
This is Student, who was looking for a lob in QE.
I finally managed to break into this field by the grace of God.
You were a good help motivating me in all aspects and also criticising me when necessary. I am thankful to all members for providing me good support.
I want to thank all of you at Elsmar for providing your valuable inputs to me.

Thanks
Student.
:cfingers:

Student, I'm the Randy my friend Wes spoke of at the beginning, one question....Was the job "given" to you, or do you feel like you earned it?

Congrats upon entering the arena:applause:

I feel I did earn this Job through patience and perseverence.

Thanks Wes

Thanks Javier Rubio

Thanks Randy

I know all the Quality stuff in and out.
Student.

Hi Student, or should we call you Employed?

Congratulations on the new position. I have taken one of your original sentences out of context. I have been in various quality positions since 1978, most of which were at a quality manager level. Like other people that commented on their experience, I still do not know all the Quality stuff in an out.

My suggestion to you is that instead of projecting yourself as a know it all, you instead become open to learning new concepts. Increasing knowledge should be a lifelong learning process. You will find that sharing knowledge will also increase your own knowledge. Every person that you interact with has knowledge about some topic, that you do not have. Be open to receiving information, listening, and learning from others. From your more recent posts, it appears that you have started to recognize this, and I just wanted to suggest that you continue in this direction.

Wes R.

Thanks Mr. Wesley Richardson,
These are words of wisdom, and surely will be a part of me.
Thanks for your valuable advice.
:thanx: