Hi, I need a guide and help in PPAP submission items.
My company business is in metal stamping, the tooling actually design by our HQ in Japan and then transfer to here for mass production together with CAD/CAM data. Thus I categorise the PPAP submission under tooling transfer,replacement, refurbishment or additional type.

The question now either my company is required to submit the DESIGN RECORDS to our customer or not.
Our customer requested us to submit the Inspection Method Manual and Machine Parameter with the PPAP, can I consider those under Checking Aids or CSR (I.2.2.19)

Thank you.

Hi, I need a guide and help in PPAP submission items.
My company business is in metal stamping, the tooling actually design by our HQ in Japan and then transfer to here for mass production together with CAD/CAM data. Thus I categorise the PPAP submission under tooling transfer,replacement, refurbishment or additional type.

The question now either my company is required to submit the DESIGN RECORDS to our customer or not.

Are you design responsible? The design here is the part not the tool. If you or your HQ is design responsible then I think you do.

Our customer requested us to submit the Inspection Method Manual and Machine Parameter with the PPAP, can I consider those under Checking Aids or CSR (I.2.2.19)
Thank you.

Is the not "Inspection Method Manual and Machine Parameter" part of the Control Plan?
Hope this helps

My company business is in metal stamping, the tooling actually design by our HQ in Japan and then transfer to here for mass production together with CAD/CAM data. Thus I categorise the PPAP submission under tooling transfer,replacement, refurbishment or additional type.

The "reason for submission" you cite is applicable to resubmissions only. If this is a first-time submission for the part, it's an intial submission, regardless of where the tooling came from.

The question now either my company is required to submit the DESIGN RECORDS to our customer or not.

In general terms in PPAPland, "design record" refers to drawings and other specifications, and if you are submitting a default Level 3 package, it must be included.

Our customer requested us to submit the Inspection Method Manual and Machine Parameter with the PPAP, can I consider those under Checking Aids or CSR (I.2.2.19)

A checking aid is an inspection device--a gage of some sort. The documents you refer to are customer-specific requirements (CSR).

Thank you.

You're welcome:agree1:

Are you design responsible? The design here is the part not the tool. If you or your HQ is design responsible then I think you do.
Yes, we just design the stamping tool (the whole stamp parts for the car audio set) according to our customer product design and we also stamp them the parts.


Is the not "Inspection Method Manual and Machine Parameter" part of the Control Plan?
Apparently yes, the machine parameter and the inspection characteristic are parts of the control plan.
From the customer drawing there are 900 over points stated and from the 900 is only 10 points pointed by customer as special characteristic points. These 10 points we included inside the control plan.
But we took around 200 points included the 10 points as our periodical inspection. To check these 200 points we set up inspection manual how to check, starting the origin setting, equipment or gauge used and until how to get the reading in detail. The reason is our customer will use the same method and manual as ours during dimensional verification.

And for the machine parameter, apart of control plan we create a machine parameter sheet to display at our machine, this parameter sheet actually they requested us to submit with the PPAP.

The "reason for submission" you cite is applicable to resubmissions only. If this is a first-time submission for the part, it's an intial submission, regardless of where the tooling came from.
Sorry not describe the problem in profound, obviously upon tooling design and fabrication completed, our HQ performed the trial and submit the PPAP under initial submission to customer HQ. And then upon approval they transferred it to my place for MP. But before start the MP we need to re-submit and get the approval because of tooling relocation.

In general terms in PPAPland, "design record" refers to drawings and other specifications, and if you are submitting a default Level 3 package, it must be included.
Yes the PPAP is level 3 but one of my customer-SANYO (supply to Mazda) waived that design record because they said we're not responsible for product design. The problem now our consultant said we must because my company or HQ do the design of tool.

Sorry not describe the problem in profound, obviously upon tooling design and fabrication completed, our HQ performed the trial and submit the PPAP under initial submission to customer HQ. And then upon approval they transferred it to my place for MP. But before start the MP we need to re-submit and get the approval because of tooling relocation.
Then your initial idea was correct.

Yes the PPAP is level 3 but one of my customer-SANYO (supply to Mazda) waived that design record because they said we're not responsible for product design. The problem now our consultant said we must because my company or HQ do the design of tool.
Then it appears that your customer doesn't understand what "design record" means. In any case, if you have documentation of a customer waiver, the waiver supersedes the standard and your consultant should know that. Whether or not your company is design-responsible has no bearing on the subject.

Yes the PPAP is level 3 but one of my customer-SANYO (supply to Mazda) waived that design record because they said we're not responsible for product design. The problem now our consultant said we must because my company or HQ do the design of tool.

This is total overkill and misunderstanding by your consultant.
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