I would like to take this opprotunity to thank Jim Wynne for his insightful and often misunderstood comments and advice, I'm sure we will all miss you!

Best wishes! :cfingers:

I agree, but I don't want to miss you Jim. You have provided vast and impressive value to this forum. I'm selfish, I want you to stay. :cfingers:

what's the scoop?
I haven't been on this forum that long but I always read what Jim has to say

I would like to take this opprotunity to thank Jim Wynne for his insightful and often misunderstood comments and advice, I'm sure we will all miss you!

Best wishes! :cfingers:Are you aware of something the rest of us are not?

The explanation is on his home page.

The explanation is on his home page.Thanks Jennifer.

Jim, this comes as a shock to me. I hope you reconsider your decision. You are by far one of the most insightful, knowledgeable, mature, seasoned and giving Covers. You are a main staple of the Cove, as far as I am concerned.

I confess that, there have been times when I considered stopping contributing here too, due to frustration with some people and positions, but I reconsidered.

Please don't let a momentary scuffle ruin your participation here. Remember, people say hurtful things in the heat of the moment.

I really hope you reconsider your decision.

Where is his homepage?

click on his profile, there's a link.

click on his profile, there's a link.

Thanks Discordian.

Jim I am sorry that this is happening, I have enjoyed reading your valuable posts and replies. I want to thank you for everything you have provided, from a professional view and a humurous view. Best of luck I will miss your posts.

Coury Ferguson

Jim,

Your opinions here are always very wise and specially, on the contrary of other excellent posters, very, very friendly!
I’ve read the reason for your decision.
I’ve done also the same in other places in the internet, but I never felt very good with my self by doing that.
If I may say something, instead of a permanent good bye, why don’t make a break?
Sometimes stopping for thinking is the wisest decision.
And please, never say never! :nope:

Best regards from Portugal!
AV

Jim.

I wish you Good luck in the future whatever you do. :bigwave:

Thanks for the knowlege you have left here available for the rest of the world , I consider that you are a great Quality Expert.

It was a pleasure

Regards.

applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Sorry to know you are leaving, Jim,

I have always liked your posts.

Take care.

Jim,

You are the best of the best here, and represent the true spirit of quality. I wish you an excellent outcome in all you do. 'Ride and have fun'.

Don

From Jim's Blog:

Goodbye, Elsmar

Today I ended my association with, and participation in, the Elsmar Cove forums. This has almost happened in the past, but this time the decision is final. In brief, here's what happened: an employment recruiter posted a position for a quality engineer, and the job description included some very ambiguous information. Among the ambiguities was "Sal open." Meaning, of course, salary open. I questioned what "open" meant. Did it mean that there were no limits? In point of fact, everyone with a modicum of functioning gray matter knows that in the context of job recruiting, "salary open" is intended to deceive, or to be functionally meaningless.

I also questioned some other stuff. The original solicitation said:

RESPONSIBILITIES

• Monitoring supplier performance
• Administering material rejection reports and corrective actions
• Control non-conforming, disposition
• Tracking DMRs
• Process MRB submissions to customers
• Reviews customer contracts to ensure requirements

I asked what "Control non-conforming, disposition" and "Process MRB submissions to customers" means. Both are legitimate questions. The first makes no sense at all, and the second would only make sense if the relationship between the MRB (Material Review Board) and customers were known. In my experience, there is usually never any direct interaction between supplier MRBs and customers.

Well, there ensued a bunch of people taking shots at the solicitation, most of them well-founded. It was a stupid, hastily-constructed post. Then there came a discussion in the moderator's forum regarding what to do about the whole thing, as it seemed to have gotten a bit out of hand. Soon thereafter, Marc deleted a bunch of posts, including my first one, marking it as "unnecessary" and "off-topic." It was unnecessary, but only in the sense that all of my posts are unnecessary, and it was off-topic in a pig's ***. It addressed--politely--obvious ambiguities in the OP.

While my rear was starting to burn after the thoughtless deletions, it became fully involved in flames when Marc posted a response in the moderator's forum that characterized my questioning first post as including an "idiot question." Idiot, indeed.

Frankly, I don't need the aggravation. I've devoted a lot of time to that place, and was happy to do so, but the feeding hand can be bitten only so many times before you stop putting your hand in the cage. It's Marc's cage, and he can do with it as he pleases, but he'll do it without me from now on.

I'm sorry Jim has left. Disagreements do happen from time to time and not everyone can be pleased. We (moderators, members and myself) have had much more 'intense' discussions from time to time over the years and I was surprised Jim was so disturbed considering the circumstances and the thread content. Those of you who were watching know the thread digressed into what could only be described as a bashing session and free for all. This is the thread: Quality Engineer - Machining and Metal Processing - South Eastern CT (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=17349). There are a number of deleted posts which are still there but can't be seen except by moderators, including Jim's posts, which I *may* split off and open for viewing but I want to discuss with the moderators, especially Wes, as to how they want to handle it.

We have been discussing this 'event' in the moderator's forum. This is the solution at this time:

The Job Opportunities forum is Wes Bucey's. Wes has a serious interest in it which is why he asked to moderate the Job Opportunities forum a while back. The Job Opportunities forum is now a 'Moderated' forum. When anyone posts a job listing, Wes will have to approve it for release for people to see. If it does not meet Wes' criteria he will contact the recruiter and take it from there. Wes is considering a form for recruiters to fill out.

As I said, I'm sorry to see Jim go. Jim has helped a lot of people in the forums and his help was very much appreciated by myself and all of you. I will feel the loss as much as you folks. Jim is welcome here should he want to return. Technically Jim's status as a Moderator will not change for the time being. If I don't hear from him in a couple of days I'll reclassify Jim as a regular 'Registered Visitor' so as to not confuse people looking at the forum moderator's listing.

As I posted in the moderator's discussion thread: Sorry to have used the adjective. I was reading through the thread between trips and was not a happy camper. I hadn't really noticed specifically who said what, but none the less. If you can't take criticism once, so be it.

I don't know what you meant by 'the last straw'. I don't remember ever criticising you before. If I did I don't remember the incident.

That said, sorry to see you go. If I don't hear from you in the next couple of days I'll take you off the moderator's listing.

So - That's the story, folks.

Jim

I think the thing is not such critical as leaving the Cove by this matter. :(

You know is working sometimes we have a bad day, but the important fact is that you are really valued hear in the cove, People around the World know you and respect you and we appreciate you and what else Mark should know it. We want you continue here although you said you were leaving. :mad:

Please Jim reconsider,

Please Mark speak with Jim. Call him. :argue:

Regards.

:truce: :(

Jim,

You're keen insight will obviously be missed. From time to time a boat even in the most professional atmospheres comprised with some of the most professional people can be rocked by an unexpected wave.

Please take some time from the cove and reconsider re-joining as I'm sure you will be welcomed back without question.

Until then Fair Winds and Following Seas....

From Jim's Blog:

The Job Opportunities forum is Wes Bucey's. Wes has a serious interest in it which is why he asked to moderate the Job Opportunities forum a while back. The Job Opportunities forum is now a 'Moderated' forum. When anyone posts a job listing, Wes will have to approve it for release for people to see. If it does not meet Wes' criteria he will contact the recruiter and take it from there. Wes is considering a form for recruiters to fill out.

I think this is a brilliant Idea, it not logic to stablish a debate into a Job-post.
:applause:

Jim, I've never even actually met you or anyone in the Cove for that matter...but I am really depressed about your departure from the Cove. :( :( :(

I hope/wish that you may come back someday for people like me (ISO clueless at times) who desperately need and want your invaluable insight, experience, guidance, etc.

FWIW: I took a peek at that job post and I thought it was cryptic / did not make sense. JMHO

Well,
I'm suprised really for this , I used to find Jim in Sunday's here in the cove where no one available but him.

I hope you reconsider Jim , at least for the sake of helping people here in the forum.

I don't know what you meant by 'the last straw'. I don't remember ever criticising you before. If I did I don't remember the incident.
I take that statement back. This morning I was reminded that Jim was formerly JSW05. I had not associated JSW05 with Jim (he asked for a user name change a while back). This same type of 'event' occurred last November. That time the recruiter contacted me and asked me to remove the job post because of all the 'chatter'.

I take that statement back. This morning I was reminded that Jim was formerly JSW05. I had not associated JSW05 with Jim (he asked for a user name change a while back). This same type of 'event' occurred last November. That time the recruiter contacted me and asked me to remove the job post because of all the 'chatter'.


Marc I agree with you regarding is not logic all the 'chatter' in a job post, but Did you establish previously rules until this matter happen again.?

In Quality terms.

Did you Standardize (Sorry I do not the the spell it of that) the treatment of jobs. Your process?

If no -> Problem lack of Standardize Your system need check.

If Yes -> Why did you let it occur,. Polices?.

I think you have did not standiresed your System, It is now when you raise new polices regarding the treatment of Job post, therefore what happened it is a single consequence of not having defined the rules to follow in this matter and the growing of your Web in the professional Market.

Curiously what is not correct in that kind of Event with employers, you now the employers have a limit time and pay for a quick solution and best serve, it is the opposite in a process of Learning when Jim is King.

What I mean in that scenario this kind of Behaviour that Jim has, is brilliant due to he analyse every sentence, everything, this is good and the strength he pursuit in his thoughts is correct and logic.

Therefore in order to prevent for the future standirece your system and let Jim to have a brick in the treatment with us.

Best Regards.

:topic: Sad, this goodbye post to Jim, turned into 'damage control' and debate about 'process failure'.:confused:

Sad, this goodbye post to Jim, turned into 'damage control' and debate about 'process failure'.:confused:


You are right. :confused:

Sad, this goodbye post to Jim, turned into 'damage control' and debate about 'process failure'.:confused:I disagree. I made it abundantly clear that I wished Jim would stay. But because he is such a high profile Cover, I believe that Marc decided to give his side of the story. I don't consider that "damage control", but transparency. Whenever you have more than 1 person interacting with others, egos will clash. There is a lot of politicking that happens back stage with moderators and that creates a lot of aggravation. There have been times when I turned off the PM and email features so I did not receive private communication from some fellow covers that were deliberately trying to irk me.

I think we all need to remember that the Cove is Marc's playground & business. If you don't like Marc's rules, find another place to go. Jim decided to do so. At least for the time being. I am happy to know that everyone would welcome Jim back, should he decided to return. And I hope he does. Sooner than later.

I don't know you Jim and I am not going to say 'goodbye' because I hope that you will return.

There aren't enough dedicated individuals in the Quality world and to lose one would be a shame.

I hope you will return if that is at all possible.

:topic:

I disagree.

That you disagree does not surprise me.

I made it abundantly clear that I wished Jim would stay. But because he is such a high profile Cover, I believe that Marc decided to give his side of the story. I don't consider that "damage control", but transparency.

Fine, you may continue to consider it "transparency" while I still call it 'damage control'. Either way, this thread started as a GOOD-BYE to Jim and then got derailed.

Whenever you have more than 1 person interacting with others, egos will clash. There is a lot of politicking that happens back stage with moderators and that creates a lot of aggravation. There have been times when I turned off the PM and email features so I did not receive private communication from some fellow covers that were deliberately trying to irk me.

I am aware of the politicking that happens back stage. I once served as moderator too.

I think we all need to remember that the Cove is Marc's playground & business. If you don't like Marc's rules, find another place to go. Jim decided to do so. At least for the time being. I am happy to know that everyone would welcome Jim back, should he decided to return. And I hope he does. Sooner than later.

I've never forgotten that this is Marc's playground & business. Nor will I. However, Sidney, unless you are a silent partner in Marc's business, I say you have no right to tell me to "find another place to go". I retain the full privileges of membership here until I choose to leave as Jim did, or Marc asks me to leave or pulls my plug.

I'm closing this thread because now it's starting to get personal and totally unrelated to Jim leaving.