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Marc 1st August 2006, 07:40 PM What Does This Represent to You? Is this NEW to you? Where do you think this is from?
http://elsmar.com/gif/improvement_steps.gif
It's kind of a long story as to why I ask this. I've been doing some reading and came across this. The document it was in cited the diagram as copyrighted. It is so general, so 'standard' in my view that to represent it as a copyrighted diagram is silly.
Please - Tell me your thoughts.
Sidney Vianna 1st August 2006, 07:50 PM Some type of rating for a "maturity model"....
Duke Okes 1st August 2006, 07:56 PM What Does This Represent to You? Is this NEW to you? Where do you think this is from?
It's kind of a long story as to why I ask this. I've been doing some reading and came across this. The document it was in cited the diagram as copyrighted. It is so general, so 'standard' in my view that to represent it as a copyrighted diagram is silly.
Please - Tell me your thoughts.
I'm pretty sure the 5 categories of the steps (Initial through Optimized) are from the SEI Software Capability Maturity Model.
Marc 1st August 2006, 08:10 PM Is this unique in some way? All I can see is a standard improvement methodology.
In steps 2 and 3 they say 'process characterized for...'. To me 'characterized' is the same as 'evaluated'.
What am I missing here? Maybe I'm just getting old and think I've seen a lot, but I keep coming back to 'same thing said differently'.
Wesley Richardson 1st August 2006, 09:50 PM I'm pretty sure the 5 categories of the steps (Initial through Optimized) are from the SEI Software Capability Maturity Model.
Hi Duke,
The CMMI CMU/SEI 2002-TR-001 had:
Capability Level 0: Incomplete
Capability Level 1: Performed
Capability Level 2: Managed
Capability Level 3: Defined
Capability Level 4: Quantitatively Managed
Capability Level 5: Optimizing
This was copyrighted by SEI.
Wes R.
Randy 1st August 2006, 09:57 PM Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Marc, shame! Publishing copyrited material:jawdrop:
You're going to the big H for sure now.
Marc 1st August 2006, 10:16 PM Everyone seems to be avoiding the question - Other than the words, how this different from a standard improvement method?
1. You have a process.
2. Evaluate the process its self for improvement opportunities.
3. Evaluate the process at interaction points of the organization for improvement opportunities outside the immediate process.
4. Improvement opportunities lead to process control in part through established measureables.
5. Continuous Improvement. (E.g. EVOP)
harry 1st August 2006, 10:28 PM Marc,
This must be the work of some consultants. Take your watch and rename it time piece. Trying to create a new way to look at an old subject and if it suceeds in becoming the flavor of the month, he's in for some big bucks.
Marc 2nd August 2006, 07:41 AM I'm pretty sure the 5 categories of the steps (Initial through Optimized) are from the SEI Software Capability Maturity Model.
Yes - You're right.
Has anyone seen this used outside of software?
Does anyone else see 'Six Sigma' in this?
roland_lu 2nd August 2006, 10:40 AM Yes - You're right.
Has anyone seen this used outside of software?
Does anyone else see 'Six Sigma' in this?
I do not have any knowledge/experience of the maturity model. When I read the O.P., I thought it was another way of presenting 6 sigma's DMAIC.
Does it mean since it is copyrighted, we could not use the approach without paying them?
Marc 2nd August 2006, 11:03 AM Copyright is different than patent, so I assume it's a verbiage issue.
Martijn 2nd August 2006, 12:19 PM Does it mean since it is copyrighted, we could not use the approach without paying them?
:lmao: I'm afraid they've just copyrighted process improvement in general, we'll have to pay them to use their approach. The only alternative is a very nifty approach I've developed and copyrighted:
trial --> error --> trial --> ..... --> succes
Anyone who wants to use this, I'll charge half the software guys do.
Wesley Richardson 2nd August 2006, 01:14 PM Hi Duke,
CMMI CMU/SEI 2002-TR-001
The document is at:
http://www.sei.cmu.edu/publications/documents/02.reports/02tr001.html
http://www.sei.cmu.edu/pub/documents/02.reports/pdf/02tr001.pdf
It states "Unlimited distribution subject to the copyright."
Wes R.
towxg 2nd August 2006, 01:22 PM It comes from CMM, but it can also be the overall management system maturity model, not only software development system.
Marc 2nd August 2006, 02:09 PM The document is at:
http://www.sei.cmu.edu/publications/documents/02.reports/02tr001.html
http://www.sei.cmu.edu/pub/documents/02.reports/pdf/02tr001.pdf
It states "Unlimited distribution subject to the copyright."
Wes R.
Yup - I saw those.
It comes from CMM, but it can also be the overall management system maturity model, not only software development system.
That's the way I read it as well, but is anyone outside of software using it? One document I read said GM did.
ddunn 2nd August 2006, 02:34 PM Remember CMM is now CMMI and is applicable to software and hardware.
This link is to a listing of appraisal results.
http://seir.sei.cmu.edu/pars/pars_list_iframe.asp
tomvehoski 2nd August 2006, 02:49 PM We are being pushed to implement CMMI - automotive electronics. Our European sites have already put together a system and been assessed.
It is highly redundant with ISO and other quality iniatives. It is geared towards software, but hardware integration is now included (cmmI)
Here is a mapping to ISO 9001: http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmmi/adoption/iso-mapping.html
Audits are much more detailed (and hence much more expensive) and dive much more into design and development. There are also also staged or continuous assessments, levels granted for it.....
I see it as:
1. Make a requirement
2. Implement it
3. Build a Plan, Do, Check, Act cycle around it (or DMAIC if you wish)
Automotive OEMs are pushing it for suppliers of components that use software. And yes, consultants (and SEI) can make big $$$$.
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