hi, i know there must be so many expert in here in OHSAS 18001, i hope i get help here, and i am sure i will get it here, i am new to OHSAS 18001, and my Automotive company want to start building new project for OHSAS 18001 and to start implementing it, can the experts here guide me in what to do to initially start, i read the standard for 18001, but i am still confused.

also i am confused about this i have seen the OHSAS 18001 standard there are numbers articles, is this kinda rule references, or kinda regulation numbers or references? can i get examples on this? i mean for example could you state that with references to 3.15 in the EMS you are in nonconformity with, got what i mean?

thanks in advance appreciate it

good day

Hi,

very first thing you'd need to look at are the present management systems. Do you have an ISO 9001/ISO 14001 or automotive related management system? If so, adding OHSAS 18001 is not that much work. Main element that will be new is the risk analysis required, which is similar to the environmental aspects assessment of the ISO 14001. All other procedures of the existing management systems, policies, targets, goals, management reviews, etc. should just be broadened in scope, including health & safety as topic. If you only have 9001, you might need to look into law & legislation assessments as well, allthough this could also be done as part of your risk assessment.

About the numbers in the standard, I don't really understand what you mean. You can use them to refer to a specific paragraph, and that's about it.

Regards en good luck, Martijn

wow, thanks thats really quick reply, i thought i am not gonna get it that quick! i really appreciate it, thats mean there are many people are working seriously in Safety, i remember when i had to go for pilot training, i used to ask any confused question or if i wanted to clarify something in the student pilot forum and straight i get answers from experts people ready to help like you, thanks

okay could you please explain to me in simple way how do i start the new project to implement OHSAS 18001? and no we still don't have ISO certify we wroking to get it all together ISO 9001 and 14001, and 18001.

also is OHSAS 18001 should be called Standrad or guildlines? or regulation?!

i know it's just to organized the health and Safety Management system in organizations, am i right?

also i meant by the number referance in the standard, i would call it standard, can we use it to bring the attention of the Managment that we sould follow this according to the reference number bla bla to make it sound more perfect and professional, also in case we might want to issue a violation letter to for examples Deptament, and we can state or write in the violation letter with refereance to 3.16 you are in violation, i mean can we do that? got what i mean this time?!

appreciate it

kind regards

The new version will be called a Standard.

As in all things it is best to start at the beginning. Read the Standard (or Specification as it is now called) then read OHSAS 18002 to help understand what you need to know. I would also recommend that you obtain a copy of BS 8800:2004 which could supply you with excellant information about things like risk assessment, proactive and reactive measures, leading and lagging indicators and numerous others.

One of the very 1st things you could do is perform a hazard asessment and risk analysis. If you don't know what they are "Read the Standard".

Once you've identified your hazards you can then link them to applicable OHS regulatory and other requirements. If you don't know what this means that's the reason you should use 18002 and BS 8800.

This is a start just as you asked.

My next recommendation would be to get some valid training in the subject matter.

thanks appreciate it, but, when they gonna call it standard?, and will they gonna be a big change to the current one?! and what is the different between 18001 and 18002?! and what is it BS 8800?!

and can i get them online in PDF format?

i think they all just talk about how to implement OH&S in an organizations, am i right?

what kinda courses i should go for? what you recommend? i have NEBOSH general certificate, and IOSH Managing Safely, also Diploma in Safety, and many job experience in Safety field, but i am just new to this OHSAS 18001

also just curious question, are you American? do they follow this in USA?! i believe they got OSHA, because if so , i would get enough experience here , and i would try to get a job in USA, i like it over there, i was in California:cool:

appreciate it

good day

Husain,

If you're really planning to put together an integrated ISO 9001, 14001+ OHSAS 18001 management system, I'm with Randy. Get some training or consultancy on this topic. IMHO you would save time and money doing so. If this is not an option, it means some serious homework for you, since you'll have to read and most importantly understand the standards and what they try to accomplish. Then you'd have to translate that understanding into a practical solution for your company. I think you can get very far studying these forums. ISO 9001 seems best filled with all the general management system topics, ISO 14001+OHSAS 18001 seem to focus on the specifics of those standards, being the risk assessments and related topics. On the other hand it might be a lot less hassle if you could get some help from outside your company.

Oh yeah, and besides that, even before you start thinking about a course, search for some topics here on management commitment. It's an absolute first requirement to have your management behind you and your plans, not just in words, but also in understanding. That might be step 1, then get some help / do loads of homework.

The "new" OHSAS 18001 will be brought into line with ISO 14001:2004. There are some minor language changes and some definitions are more clearly presented.

No, you cannot get it now because it has not been printed, I have it in draft as do some other folks, and no you can't have a copy.

If you have all that safety training then you should have a basic understanding of Job Hazard Analysis. If not, then maybe some of your time was wasted.

All 18001 does is provide a method to manage the safety process in a more effective manner.

Also, this site has an extremely strong "SEARCH" tool....USE IT!

The "new" OHSAS 18001 will be brought into line with ISO 14001:2004. There are some minor language changes and some definitions are more clearly presented.

No, you cannot get it now because it has not been printed, I have it in draft as do some other folks, and no you can't have a copy.

If you have all that safety training then you should have a basic understanding of Job Hazard Analysis. If not, then maybe some of your time was wasted.

All 18001 does is provide a method to manage the safety process in a more effective manner.

Also, this site has an extremely strong "SEARCH" tool....USE IT!

hi again, what do you meant by SEARCH tool? because i tried to seach about OHSAS 18001 here i can't see nothing, could you tell how do i use this strong tool here?

thanks i appreciate it

kind regards and good day

For nearly any question you have on how to get around the Cove refer to this link and start reading...

How To Use the Forum Software - Basic Instructions (http://elsmar.com/Forums/forumdisplay.php?f=86)

hi again, what do you meant by SEARCH tool? because i tried to seach about OHSAS 18001 here i can't see nothing, could you tell how do i use this strong tool here?

Look in the 'navigation bar' near the top of each forum page. You will see Search in yellow font. Click it and a dropdown menu will appear. In the 'box', type in 18001 and then click the Go button. It will send you to a page listing lots of related discussion threads.

As to what you are trying to do, to get help here you will need a better background as has been pointed out in this discussion thread. You might want to start out doing a Search on the word implementation. That will show you some discussion threads related to implementing systems. If you want a 'How To' on implementing a quality management system, see Implementing a Quality Management System (http://elsmar.com/Imp/). While the slides talk about implementing a quality management system, OHSAS 18001 is different but the slides do give you an idea of implementation project management. That is a general approach, and the extent that you have to go depends upon the current situation of the company. If your company is not even ISO 9001 registered, you may have a lot to do and a long way to go. That addresses the implementation issue.

thanks appreciate it, but, 1. when they gonna call it standard?, and 2. will they gonna be a big change to the current one?! and 3. what is the different between 18001 and 18002?! and what is it BS 8800?!

1. It really isn't relevant.
2. That is being discussed in another thread, but the short answer is a 'big change' is not expected for at least 4 years or longer. This shouldn't be an issue for you at this point.
3. This is where you have to get a copy of the standard(s) that you want to implement, read them and come here and ask specific questions about what part or parts you don't understand. There is nothing we can do here to explain everything to you from the ground up. You have to do some 'homework' and build up from there. As was mentioned above, it may be best to go to a training course related to the standard you want to understand and implement. If you're looking at more than one standard, you may be looking at more than one training course.

For the most part, if you read the applicable standards you will probably understand most of the requirements. If English is not your native language, there may be translations in your native language. You will at least know enough to come here and do a search for the clause you don't understand - And if you can't find a thread with an existing answer, ask about the specific clause and it's application to your business / processes, etc.

Sometimes, people get into situations where time is essential. When you don't know the requirements of the standard(s), and when you are not knowledgable in project management (which is what a full blown implementation is), as mentioned above it may be best to get a consultant.

The key to all of this is until you understand the requirements of the standard(s) you want to implement, you MUST understand the standard(s), what they require and how the requirements will fit into your existing systems.

The "new" OHSAS 18001 will be brought into line with ISO 14001:2004. There are some minor language changes and some definitions are more clearly presented.

No, you cannot get it now because it has not been printed, I have it in draft as do some other folks, and no you can't have a copy.

Just to remind folks, these standards, and the DRAFTS, are copyrighted. That's why we can't trade copies here.

Hello Husain,

I go with Martijn, if you want to implement all 3 three management systems in one, take the ISO 9001 as basic, the other two are following it.

And you will find a lot of information here in the cove about how to implement the ISO 9001.

And as Marc said, this is an huge project!!
Which need a plan, capacity and full management commitment!!

See this thread Implementing ISO 9001:2008 - Where to Start? (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=31092) and ask you also the questions from Coury Ferguson.

Regards,

TamTom