Hello,
we are changing at the moment some Parts to lead-free.
What is the situation with PPAP? Shouldn't be a Level 3 PPAP with Samples submitted? Our Customer just want to have a new PSW L-4 with Plating report and IMDS.

Can anyone advise, how was your situation? Did you provide full Docs?

Thanks in advance,
best regards,
Kevin

We have changed numerous products from Lead to Lead free and have not had to submit anything!!!! However, I believe that at a minimum you should show due diligence and at least validate your revised processes with some PV testing. Are the joiunts still reliable, what failures are being seen at inspection etc.........

If you complete these acvtivities and retain the documentation, you can then submit your PSW stating that the parts still meet the Dimensional, Functional and appearance (if applicable) requirements.

Don't forget, that even though L4 is only a requirement to submit a PSW, you should still complete all of the required actions to validate your product.

Hope this helps.

Don't forget, that even though L4 is only a requirement to submit a PSW, you should still complete all of the required actions to validate your product.

Hope this helps.

And the IMDS of the new situation as you have to state this "update" on the PSW

Best regards,

Antoine

As I understand it the change to "lead free" has a lot of implications apart from that of the environment.
There is a change of components to a different temperature and essentially the reflow changes.
From your quietness of mind I would suggest that you revalidate the complete process as I think that it could fairly be described as a new products.

The documentation is for your protection but of course you must tell the customer and ask him how it should be documented. There will need to be a breakpoint between the old and new, maybe they will even have a new catalogue number.

Hello,
we are changing at the moment some Parts to lead-free.
What is the situation with PPAP? Shouldn't be a Level 3 PPAP with Samples submitted? Our Customer just want to have a new PSW L-4 with Plating report and IMDS.

Can anyone advise, how was your situation? Did you provide full Docs?

Thanks in advance,
best regards,
Kevin

Why would you provide something the customer doesn't want? This is not to say that you shouldn't validate the process, but the submission level controls only what's submitted to the customer, not what you actually have to do. If the customer is asking for submission of limited documentation, it means that he's expecting all of the Level 3 requirements to be on file and available on request, but only wants to see the warrant, IMDS info and plating test report.

Hello,
we are changing at the moment some Parts to lead-free.
What is the situation with PPAP? Shouldn't be a Level 3 PPAP with Samples submitted? Our Customer just want to have a new PSW L-4 with Plating report and IMDS.

Can anyone advise, how was your situation? Did you provide full Docs?

Thanks in advance,
best regards,
Kevin

I think the PSW is only a promise to your customer, so if you have a perfect process to ensure there is no poisonous stuff, you can only submit PSW as your customer's required!!:nopity:

I think the PSW is only a promise to your customer, so if you have a perfect process to ensure there is no poisonous stuff, you can only submit PSW as your customer's required!!:nopity:

I am sorry but this is not true

I hereby affirm that the samples represented by this warrant are representative of our parts which were made by a process that meets all Production Part Approval Process Manual 4th Edition Requirements. I further affirm that these samples were produced at the production rate of X/Y hours.
I also certify that documented evidence of such compliance is on file and available for review. I have noted any deviations from the declaration below. This is what you sign.
The whole PPAP process is the verification and validation of your process design actions. No matter what you submit to the customer you MUST have all the required documents.
In the case of Lead Free there is a change of components and production which must be investigated and approved by you before you supply whether the customer asks for or not

Every time there are any changes in the manufacturing process approved by the customer, the PPAP file has to be updated by validating the changed processes. You will find a complete description of what constitutes a 'change' in the PPAP manual. The PPAP file consists of a list of records generated during the validation process.

The PSW level of submission is decided by the customer. He only asks for the documents he wants to specifically review before approving the process. Remaining documents, by definition of the PSW are to be maintained on the supplier's record for review on demand by the customer.

A demand for level 4 PSW by no means relieves you of the need or responsibility of updating remaining records in the PPAP file affected by the change.

[QUOTE=Howard Atkins;166167]I am sorry but this is not true
Thank you very much, nice man!!!!