Long link to reuters (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2006-09-07T132135Z_01_N07221779_RTRUKOC_0_US-HILTON.xml)



I mean... she was RIGHT AT the illegal limit.
Give the poor girl a break. Should she get a deviation from standard?

I mean... she was RIGHT AT the illegal limit.
Give the poor girl a break. Should she get a deviation from standard?

Oh yeah... She "worked" all day (never a day in her life in "reality") and gets stopped in a SLR McLaren?

Then, her publicist bails the poor thing out?

Gee, sounds like she has had a couple of breaks already. If any one of us was stopped there would be no question - "lock 'em up".

If I was the judge she'd likely get the max for just being a nuisance.

Poor thing! It was one am, the bars were closing, and she couldn't find anyone to go home with her? Maybe she wasn't headed home, just to another saloon to troll for a fresh fish?

I mean... she was RIGHT AT the illegal limit.
Give the poor girl a break. Should she get a deviation from standard?

Yeah, you are right she should get a break becasue she was born into wealth. What the heck is a little DUI let her go.

I really hope you were kidding.

Since she was right at the top of the spec., she could apply for a waiver:D

Come to think of it, maybe "impaired" is a natural state....

Yeah, you are right she should get a break becasue she was born into wealth. What the heck is a little DUI let her go.

I really hope you were kidding.

why all the hate?
How is she supposed to know that if you weigh under 100lbs a single margarita can put you over the limit.
or that being up late will also impair your tolerance (there's that word again!)

Sadly, in this day/ age, this incident will boost her image (the bad girl thing').

why all the hate?
How is she supposed to know that if you weigh under 100lbs a single margarita can put you over the limit.
or that being up late will also impair your tolerance (there's that word again!)

Unfortunately, the size of the margarita was incorrectly calibrated. She meant to say one pitcher of margarita. :biglaugh:

I guess that her publicist accomplished what she could not. Her name is in the news once more. What a waste of tolerance just lock her up and save her from herself.

Too bad she didn't get to visit an old fashioned drunk tank.....I have and had a low tolerence level for high profilers.

Just forget Paris Hilton, I have a serious question.

I served on a jury for a DUI case. He was right on the legal limit. It was a case where he was stopped in a speed trap, passed the field sobriety test but arrested for "red eyes and smelling of alcohol". Blame it on my experience of dealing with incapable measurements systems and being just a little too over analytical. I just could not find him guilty based on one measurement ... I'm wondering calibration, PM, training, gage R&R, etc. I'm sure most of the jurors thought I was crazy, but the only argument they had was that he admitted to drinking beer earlier in the day. Some just could not understand that it's not illegal to drink.

Anyway, was I wrong?

S

Just forget Paris Hilton, I have a serious question.

I served on a jury for a DUI case. He was right on the legal limit. It was a case where he was stopped in a speed trap, passed the field sobriety test but arrested for "red eyes and smelling of alcohol". Blame it on my experience of dealing with incapable measurements systems and being just a little too over analytical. I just could not find him guilty based on one measurement ... I'm wondering calibration, PM, training, gage R&R, etc. I'm sure most of the jurors thought I was crazy, but the only argument they had was that he admitted to drinking beer earlier in the day. Some just could not understand that it's not illegal to drink.

Anyway, was I wrong?

S

I don't think so. I think you were perfectly within your rights and responsibilities and speaking from the standpoint of your area of expertise.
I hope you at least enlightened some of the other jurors with your views.

why all the hate?
How is she supposed to know that if you weigh under 100lbs a single margarita can put you over the limit.
or that being up late will also impair your tolerance (there's that word again!)



No hate. Lets try this, but officer I am just barely over the leagle limit, how was I supposed to know that one last drink I had was going to put me JUST over the limit. Come on cut me some slack what is the worst that could happen?

How is she supposed to know what effect drinking will have on her, **** she is only 25 years old.

Ditto on Discordian's post. You made the best decision, with the best evidence. The officers had to make a judgement call, and they have to make many of them every day. That does not mean he is guilty; that is what a jury is for.

So, we will continue to have fun with Paris for a couple of reasons. First, she could have called a fleet of limos to come take her and her friend home. When people drink, they are responsible for their actions. If she was going to have one drink on empty stomach and drive home, she should have handled it differently.

Also, orderly society works when everyone plays by the same set of rules. So when rich/famous get off lighter than you know we would, it upsets us.

So, can you challenge the BAC meter accuracy like people have done for radars?

RE: Jury duty - I was on a jury that was acting on emotion more than logic. It was armed robbery with a 1/2 brother robbing his brother. The girlfriend testified that it was the accused, but the brother said 'I'm not sure' - I could see the DA's neck veins starting popping because he obviously changed his tune on the stand.

I had to convince the others that they wouldn't have arrested the suspect at 7AM the next morning (gassed him out of a house that was outside his designated area, since he was on parole) if the brother and gf didn't tell the cops exactly who did it.

My point is - those of us in quality and engineering often have a sense of logic that serves better on a jury rather than some that act on emotion.

Actually for a DUI arrest to be good the BAC test is only one piece of the evidence, many times the best because it is verifiable. The reasons for the vehicle being stopped, the drivers mannerism's and field sobriety are other pieces of evidence. I got quite a few of my 2500+ DWI convictions (that's what we called DUI in Arkansas) without the BAC test being needed...it just provided the last straw so to speak.

It's amazing to me that society and the press act like DUI (DWI) and DUI enforcement is something new. Back in the early 70's under the LEAA (Law Enforcement Assistance Administration) we had what was known as the ASAP units (Alcohol Safety Action Program). The program fully funded to non federal law enforcement agencies for vehicles and personnel to combat drunken driving on the nations highways. As a member of the program my primary duty was DWI enforcement. I (and all the other funded officers) had to average a minimum of 2 DWI arrests (resulting in conviction) per workday, that came to over 400 a year each. Tenure was for 1 year and then the officer was rotated back to normal street duty. I had over 600 convictions (over 90%) in my year with 8 in one shift. (Oh yeah, I was in a dry city...no alcohol sales)Everyone else was pretty much the same....an officer in Little Rock had close to 800 if I remember right. We normally worked our own cities, but would be task forced out under the State Police for saturation in other parts of Arkansas as needed.

One cool thing about the cars...the Chevrolets we drove were engineered by Holman-Moody and equipped with 454's and roll cages. fast and strong doesn't even cover it.

Actually for a DUI arrest to be good the BAC test is only one piece of the evidence, many times the best because it is verifiable. The reasons for the vehicle being stopped, the drivers mannerism's and field sobriety are other pieces of evidence. I got quite a few of my 2500+ DWI convictions (that's what we called DUI in Arkansas) without the BAC test being needed...it just provided the last straw so to speak.

It's amazing to me that society and the press act like DUI (DWI) and DUI enforcement is something new. Back in the early 70's under the LEAA (Law Enforcement Assistance Administration) we had what was known as the ASAP units (Alcohol Safety Action Program). The program fully funded to non federal law enforcement agencies for vehicles and personnel to combat drunken driving on the nations highways. As a member of the program my primary duty was DWI enforcement. I (and all the other funded officers) had to average a minimum of 2 DWI arrests (resulting in conviction) per workday, that came to over 400 a year each. Tenure was for 1 year and then the officer was rotated back to normal street duty. I had over 600 convictions (over 90%) in my year with 8 in one shift. (Oh yeah, I was in a dry city...no alcohol sales)Everyone else was pretty much the same....an officer in Little Rock had close to 800 if I remember right. We normally worked our own cities, but would be task forced out under the State Police for saturation in other parts of Arkansas as needed.

One cool thing about the cars...the Chevrolets we drove were engineered by Holman-Moody and equipped with 454's and roll cages. fast and strong doesn't even cover it.
So, if primary duty was finding and arresting drivers "Driving While Intoxicated," did that mean you ignored "petty" traffic crimes (broken taillights, loud mufflers, etc.)?

Did you have "confidential informants" who clued you on folks leaving parties and speakeasies?

Until the Wisconsin beer drinking age went up to 21, state, county, and local mounties used to line up on all the roads at the Illinois state line, picking off drunk Illinois teenagers returning from Wisconsin Saturday night and early Sunday - easy as finding a Packers fan in Green Bay!

I notice our local paper's "police blotter" shows about two female DUI arrests to one male DUI each week, almost always middle-age women, while the males are all 20's - is this because young guys get blotto because they haven't learned how to drink and women reaching power and money in their careers are drinking more and tolerating less?

We didn't ingore anything really, our primary was DWI. We were essentially out of the net for the barking dog calls and all the general stuff. Emergencies always overrode everything of course, and we definitley could and did provide additional backup when necessary.

We had all the Gin joints and dives mainly along our Southern and Western limits (the entire county to the East and North was dry). To understand what it looked like and what was happening just get a copy of the original movie "Walking Tall", that's what we had on our borders, the joints, whores, violence, everything....the real Dodge City. I mean picture this, you get a call to assist the State Police at Joe's Gin Joint (a made up name) and when you pull into the parking lot you nearly run over a severed human head...the body was in the joint. That was an average evening!

Anyway back to the topic....the coppers in the Paris Hilton thingy probably had enough evidence before any BAC test to charge with DUI.

Anyway back to the topic....the coppers in the Paris Hilton thingy probably had enough evidence before any BAC test to charge with DUI.

My goodness and you think they should have charged her with DUI instead of just letting this pillar of society off with a warning what kind of monster are you!

My goodness and you think they should have charged her with DUI instead of just letting this pillar of society off with a warning what kind of monster are you!

s'what I'm sayin!

poor little rich girl.

(yes - I realize the irony of perpetuating the "Paris brand" in this thread when I really wished she'd just go away from the public eye)

My goodness and you think they should have charged her with DUI instead of just letting this pillar of society off with a warning what kind of monster are you!


I was the kind that didn't care about status or station. She would have visited our bastielle, hoosegow, parlor, and dungeon.

Paris who?????:D