OK it's Monday and Juliov's post about reference only drawings got me thinking.

Does your company use verbiage that just drives you up the wall?

For instance: In my company the saw people use the term scrap for any small pieces left over from cutting a full sheet of material. In my mind these are drops or leftovers, not SCRAP. It's one of those little things that I'll probably never get them to change but it pricks up my ears everytime I hear it. :bonk: :mad: :notme: :mg: :whip:

Sometimes it's the little things that can send you around the bend.

James


Off topic -
Proverb: Never argue with a woman wearing a nicotine patch and chewing 4 sticks of gum. - Just say, "Yes Ma'am" (We have a lady trying to quit right now)

"We do not have an ISO document on how to sweep the floor ( or add your own mundane task)." Using ISO to describe all documents concepts etc... "I am sorry I do not think ISO has a standard for that." Is going to be my response next time I hear this inappropriate use of ISO to try to ram someones poopoo down the orgs throut or jam up the system. We have a 12 page procedure pictures and everything on how to make a box.
Also, ISO (insert your standard) "certified". Please use registered. While some of us are certifiable most of use are not certified just registered.

OK it's Monday and Juliov's post about reference only drawings got me thinking.

Does your company use verbiage that just drives you up the wall?

For instance: In my company the saw people use the term scrap for any small pieces left over from cutting a full sheet of material. In my mind these are drops or leftovers, not SCRAP. It's one of those little things that I'll probably never get them to change but it pricks up my ears everytime I hear it. :bonk: :mad: :notme: :mg: :whip:

Sometimes it's the little things that can send you around the bend.

James


Off topic -
Proverb: Never argue with a woman wearing a nicotine patch and chewing 4 sticks of gum. - Just say, "Yes Ma'am" (We have a lady trying to quit right now)

OK, we may be splitting hairs here - but I've worked in and around machine shops and the "leftover" pieces of anything from the lathe to the mill to the chop saw, as long as it couldn't be used to make something else, was refered to as "scrap". I know where you're heading with that thought, but scrap is not just mistakes during assembly that show up on a control chart - that's "non-conforming product".

I was curious, so I went to "Ask.com" and here's what they define as "scrap";

scrap1 (skrăp)
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[Middle English, from Old Norse skrap, trifles, pieces.]

noun

A small piece or bit; a fragment
Lefover bits of food.
Discarded waste material, especially metal suitable for reprocessing.
Crisp pieces of rendered aimal fat; cracklings.transitive verb: scrapped, scrap·ping, scraps.

To break down into parts for disposal or salvage.
To discard as worthless or sell to be reused as parts; junk.
Of course, I certainly don't want to start a "scrap" with you over this issue :lol: Besides, Definition #4 just made me hungry - It's lunch time!:cool:

...just poking fun James :notme:

I'd like to introduce you to Cari - she does our ISO. :rolleyes:

To me a "scrap" was what happened on the road when a Gin Mill Recipient didn't want to take a ride to the PD.

More often than not it lead to him being scraped off the road:lmao:

I'd like to introduce you to Cari - she does our ISO. :rolleyes:

...but do you do Windows? :bonk: I laughed out loud on that one!! :lmao:

In our pharm operations it's the use of the term "rework" when what is meant is "reprocessing". These mean two different processes to the FDA.

OK, we may be splitting hairs here - but I've worked in and around machine shops and the "leftover" pieces of anything from the lathe to the mill to the chop saw, as long as it couldn't be used to make something else, was refered to as "scrap". I know where you're heading with that thought, but scrap is not just mistakes during assembly that show up on a control chart - that's "non-conforming product".

I was curious, so I went to "Ask.com" and here's what they define as "scrap";

scrap1 (skrăp)
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[Middle English, from Old Norse skrap, trifles, pieces.]

noun

A small piece or bit; a fragment
Lefover bits of food.
Discarded waste material, especially metal suitable for reprocessing.
Crisp pieces of rendered aimal fat; cracklings.transitive verb: scrapped, scrap·ping, scraps.

To break down into parts for disposal or salvage.
To discard as worthless or sell to be reused as parts; junk.
Of course, I certainly don't want to start a "scrap" with you over this issue :lol: Besides, Definition #4 just made me hungry - It's lunch time!:cool:

...just poking fun James :notme:

Rear Mr. Hairsplitter,
You certainly know your stuff.
In my mind a pc that equals 1/4 of a 4 x 8 foot sheet of material is a little big to be called "scrap". Plus, the fact that being in quality, Scrap has a whole different meaning to me. It means "It ain't fixable".

Got a good chuckle out of you post though.:lol:

James

calling an FMEA a Fema.

Calling suppliers customers

I do that myself, probably because I'm old, and at one time (long before the AIAG was a gleam in Satan's eye) effect/modes and modes/effects were pretty much interchangeable. So in some quarters, FEMA was standard usage. Also, I like the economy of it. Why do four syllables when two will do? :D

JRKH How about calling it trim?

Critical problems are "opportunities" or "challenges". No they're not; they're problems to be solved!!!:frust:

Someone already mentioned this in another thread, but I hate the use of the term "business decision" to justify making a wrong decision to save money.

Example: "We are aware that this instrument is so inaccurate and has such a high R&R that it is basically a random number generator, but we have made a business decision not to replace it."

:mad:

Preventative....it's says preventive...and in today's lean manufacturing envrionment, adding an un-necesary syallable is muda! Muda, I tell you! No value added to including that 'ta'. :notme:

Practicable...what's with these extra syllables?!?!?! I sound like my childhood stuttering problem is back! Practical...saying 'practicable' isn't 'practical'.

How do you say ISO? "eye-soh" or "eye-ess-soh"? I've seen debates start over this...granted, it was usually over a bottle of wine or two, as well.

Work Instructions, SOPs, Level 1, Level 2....who cares? It's documentation hopefully used in conjunction with the standardization of your processes. You could call it a post-it note (wait...that's a trademarked term...) or whatever turns your crank...but as long as it is effective and used and controlled in a suitable manner, you're my best buddy. :)

For the last time, we do not have a "Quality" management system. We have a Business Management System...we have a system to help us manage the routine and improvement processes of our business. Any questions?

It's Business Management System...not Business System. Because having a monthly BS Review is sometimes too close to the truth. :lol:

"This is Roxane...she does ISO." Hmmmm...I occasionally do dishes, I've been known to go to the gym, and every so often I attempt to have a social life, but they don't show up on my business card. Can we maybe find a new way to say what I do?

Thank you...this has been wonderfully therapeutic for me. :cool:

Here's one that I haven't seen in this thread yet, and maybe I'm the only person it bothers.

Irregardless - I used to have a manager who used this word incessantly and it drove me crazy!! And this manager (woman) always tried to be the "Miss Prim and Proper" kind, and here she was using this word. The sad thing is that because she had that "Prim and Proper" facade going on, others began using this word, too! :mad:

“At Managements Discretion” :blowup:

Here's one that I haven't seen in this thread yet, and maybe I'm the only person it bothers.

Irregardless - I used to have a manager who used this word incessantly and it drove me crazy!! And this manager (woman) always tried to be the "Miss Prim and Proper" kind, and here she was using this word. The sad thing is that because she had that "Prim and Proper" facade going on, others began using this word, too! :mad:

DITTO!! I was just sitting here trying to remember this word and couldn't think of it, "irregardless" of how hard I tried.:bonk: That one bugs me too!

Thanks Gidget!

Preventative....it's says preventive...and in today's lean manufacturing envrionment, adding an un-necesary syallable is muda! Muda, I tell you! No value added to including that 'ta'. :notme:

YES!!:applause:

Practicable...what's with these extra syllables?!?!?! I sound like my childhood stuttering problem is back! Practical...saying 'practicable' isn't 'practical'.


Well, no. Although you're partially right. Although the two words have meaning that overlaps, it is possible for something to be "practicable" without being "practical." I say "partially right" because most people who use "practicable" really mean "practical."

DITTO!! I was just sitting here trying to remember this word and couldn't think of it, "irregardless" of how hard I tried.:bonk: That one bugs me too!

Thanks Gidget!

Glad to see I'm not the only person around who knows that this word does not exist in Webster's! :agree1:

Yeah, yeah, way to go Roxane:applause:

DITTO!! I was just sitting here trying to remember this word and couldn't think of it, "irregardless" of how hard I tried. That one bugs me too!

Glad to see I'm not the only person around who knows that this word does not exist in Webster's!

Definition of irregardless:

Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

How about when people say something like, "This is new employee Chris. Get Chris orientated." Or "make sure you orientate Chris".

Chris may have an orientation, but that is debatable. Am I wrong on this one? See below!



Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

orientate
One entry found for orientate.


Main Entry: ori·en·tate
Pronunciation: 'or-E-&n-"tAt, -"en-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -tat·ed; -tat·ing
intransitive verb : to face or turn to the east
transitive verb : ORIENT

cee, that happens here a lot too. unfortunately, I cannot for the life of me tell directions here (never bothers me anywhere else I've ever been) so "Chris" and I will be forever un-oriented!

:topic: Plus, everytime I hear someone use "orientate" I get that song going through my head about "Stand in the place where you live...now face East..." -- possibly by R.E.M. and its hard not to smile/laugh with that song in your mind.

Here's the one that drives me nuts:

"I could care less"

What you mean is you "couldn't care less," as in you care so LITTLE that you couldn't POSSIBLY care any "lesser".

If you COULD care less, then CARE less! :cool:

So, I could summarize thus far;

We shouldn't "rework" our "scrap" unless we have a "FEMA" the defines our "Customer" (er, Supplier) as the problem. Too much "scrap" (trim) presents a "Business Opportunity", but we may make a "Business Decision" "at Management's Discretion" to perform a "preventative" audit, if "practicable", at the "Customer's" (er, Supplier's) site to "orientate" them to the "challenges" we are facing, "irregardless" of whether they "could care less" or not.

...Do I have it all correct so far??? :notme: :lol:

So, I could summarize thus far;

We shouldn't "rework" our "scrap" unless we have a "FEMA" the defines our "Customer" (er, Supplier) as the problem. Too much "scrap" (trim) presents a "Business Opportunity", but we may make a "Business Decision" "at Management's Discretion" to perform a "preventative" audit, if "practicable", at the "Customer's" (er, Supplier's) site to "orientate" them to the "challenges" we are facing, "irregardless" of whether they "could care less" or not.

...Do I have it all correct so far??? :notme: :lol:

Yup, I'd say that about summarizes it. :applause:

Very well said!

So, I could summarize thus far;

We shouldn't "rework" our "scrap" unless we have a "FEMA" the defines our "Customer" (er, Supplier) as the problem. Too much "scrap" (trim) presents a "Business Opportunity", but we may make a "Business Decision" "at Management's Discretion" to perform a "preventative" audit, if "practicable", at the "Customer's" (er, Supplier's) site to "orientate" them to the "challenges" we are facing, "irregardless" of whether they "could care less" or not.

...Do I have it all correct so far??? :notme: :lol:

:lmao: Excellent. I think you've got it, except you should remember when visiting the customer supplier to make sure they are towing the line, so as not to ruffle the feathers of the powers to be.

Hey Steve and Jim....you captured the essence of verbage posted:applause:

Definition of irregardless:

At least it wasn't in my copy of Webster's. Thanks for the edit, Coury. :o

(I still don't like to hear that word, though!) :2cents:

So, I could summarize thus far;

We shouldn't "rework" our "scrap" unless we have a "FEMA" the defines our "Customer" (er, Supplier) as the problem. Too much "scrap" (trim) presents a "Business Opportunity", but we may make a "Business Decision" "at Management's Discretion" to perform a "preventative" audit, if "practicable", at the "Customer's" (er, Supplier's) site to "orientate" them to the "challenges" we are facing, "irregardless" of whether they "could care less" or not.

...Do I have it all correct so far??? :notme: :lol:

:lmao: :lmao: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :lmao: :lmao:

That's great!!!!!!

At least it wasn't in my copy of Webster's. Thanks for the edit, Coury. :o

(I still don't like to hear that word, though!) :2cents:

I did my search at Webster online: http://www.webster.com/

I agree, the word is highly misused and abused. :agree1:

another one that just came to mind is the constant use of "team member(s)" replacing employee(s). Yes, I like to think that we are all on the same team, but daggonnit, if you are giving instructions to all of us, we are employees. ex. All employees should use the North entrance for the next 7 days, due to construction on the South entrance. Being part of the "team" has pretty much lost all of its warmness and fuzzyness due to its overuse.

the use of "myself" instead of "me". For example, Can you get a copy of this to Jim and myself today?

another one that just came to mind is the constant use of "team member(s)" replacing employee(s).Similarly, the use of "associate" as a euphemism for worker, employee, or clerk, when you can be sure the individual using the term (Walmart bosses?) would rarely associate with the worker except when the "associate" is in a subordinate position with little or no voice in decision making.

So, I could summarize thus far;

We shouldn't "rework" our "scrap" unless we have a "FEMA" the defines our "Customer" (er, Supplier) as the problem. Too much "scrap" (trim) presents a "Business Opportunity", but we may make a "Business Decision" "at Management's Discretion" to perform a "preventative" audit, if "practicable", at the "Customer's" (er, Supplier's) site to "orientate" them to the "challenges" we are facing, "irregardless" of whether they "could care less" or not.

...Do I have it all correct so far??? :notme: :lol:

Sounds more or less like a quote from the amazing George W. Bush?!:rolleyes:

Sounds more or less like a quote from the amazing George W. Bush?!:rolleyes:

Hey - don't misunderestimate your President...:)

In addition to "associates" and "team members" I frequently hear the term "colleagues" used in place of employees.

The other MAJOR annoyance for me at the moment is all of this "solutions" nonsense. This started in big industry several years ago, but now all the small and medium companies are getting in on the act.

You know the kind of thing - the local bus company is now a "provider of public transportation solutions", the gym is now a "provider of personal fitness and leisure solutions" and I even saw a sign in my local sandwich bar claiming that the company were a "provider of meal solutions". :nope:

I guess as an auditor I should rebrand myself as a "provider of management systems assessment solutions". And perhaps I should list this on my resumé???

Hey - don't misunderestimate your President...:)



Not mine, and not yours! I think you've got you hands full with your PM:notme:

Have you read "The Bush Dyslexicon" too??

May I take this moment to remind our members about the ban on political speech?

May I take this moment to remind our members about the ban on political speech?

I were not trying to be political. Both of the above have been ridiculed for years due to their oratory skills, or lack of such. :o