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Icy Mountain

7th November 2006, 02:51 PM

Icy’s BCS Top 5 (Sort-of) Breakdown

Of course, The Ohio State University Buckeyes (Go Bucks!) are #1. Just ask CTexas (#2 Coaches Poll the day they were beaten/#5 BCS today), Penn State (24/36) and Iowa (13/35). They’ll stay there, too!

Michigan (Go Blue!) deservedly holds the #2 spot right now. They’ll stay there until they lose to the Buckeyes in Ohio Stadium (The Horseshoe). The Big 10 is tough! Michigan wins over Wisconsin, Penn State and Iowa really mean something (oh, yeah, and Notre Dame, too).

Louisville (Go Cards!) is really tough this year and will secure a firm hold on the #3 spot when they win over Rutgers. Way to go sticking it to the Hurricanes who started out ranked #12 but are now just plan rank. Convincing win over the Mountaineers from West Virginia.

It is a travesty that Auburn beat Florida and is ranked behind them. The BCS computer rankings are BS IMO. It’s the “Brent Mossburger Team-From-FL-Must-Be-Ranked” factor. Florida isn’t that good and hasn’t played that tough a schedule, as will be shown once they lose a couple more to South Carolina and Florida State. Auburn also ought to be ranked #4 ahead of ut (that’s how they spell longhorns in College Station), considering the trouncing that Ohio State (Go Bucks!) handed the ‘Horns and their slim escape with a win from Nebraska and Texas Tech. (Alright, Randy, the Tigers did lose to the Razorbacks.)

ut is going to lose their hold on that #5 spot when my Aggies from Texas A&M (gig ‘em Aggies) show them the meaning of real “Texas” football.

I was glad to see USC get it on the chin from Oregon State. Good old brent m. and the rest of the knuckheads on sportscenter couldn’t shut up about how USC was getting ripped off in the polls and should be #1. Because they suck, Brent. Losing to Oregon, Cal, Notre Dame and possibly even UCLA will prove it.

The Buckeyes beat that team up north and secure their #1 spot in the BCS Championship Game against an (also undefeated) Louisville Cardinals team. Bucks Win!

Unfortunately, with only Georgia and Alabama left on their schedule Auburn won’t be able to build enough juice to overcome their current status, so the Tigers will end up playing Michigan for the #3 spot. This is a toss up. It will probably be the best game in the BCS bowls and the only time I’ll cheer for Wolverines (Go Big 10!)

Florida, Texas, and USC will all whine for 9 months about how they deserved a shot even though they had one (or more) losses this season. The undefeated Boise State Broncos will call them all woosies and declare themselves #5.

Mike Smith

7th November 2006, 03:59 PM

Woooooo Pig Sooie!!!!! Go Hogs
:applause: :applause:

Dale D. Barnes

8th November 2006, 10:06 AM

Yes Arkansas did beat Auburn! Not only beat them but out played them the entire ballgame but every one still wants to talk about how good Auburn is but no one says anything about the Hogs. If we get thru these next 3 ballgames Arkansas deserves to be above Auburn. Another thing if we were to play USC again this year I believe Arkansas would win. That would make a good bowl game. Arkansas Vs. USC. No matter what the other conferences say if you go 11-1 in the SEC you deserve to be in the top 5 in the country.

Randy

8th November 2006, 10:54 AM

Absolutely right there Dale...

:topic: Where are you at in Arkansas?

Manix

8th November 2006, 11:47 AM

Seeing as there is a very low representation of Football fans (by that I mean the proper game, "Soccer" as you like to call it, thought step into the UK and you won't here "soccer"), I thought I would post!

I have posted here before in defence of what truly is the beautiful game!

I have two passions Music and Football (soccer). For me there is no better sport (despite Jim Wynn's terrible article during the world cup!). It invokes real passion and commitment (I play every Sunday morning!) and following my team, the mighty Reds of Liverpool has been a roller-coaster ride that I don't regret a minute of.

The atmosphere at a big game is amazing, we have all manor of songs to sing and believe me 40,000 people singing makes a big noise and at times sends shivers down you spine, it's so good!

I have tried watching the American excuse for a sport, but got sooooo board! Too much stopping and starting etc..... standing around waiting for stuff to happen and the rules are a bit too long winded.

That's about it, thanks for letting FOOTBALL in to this thread and I will finish by saying.....Come on You RED's!

PS: It's not SOCCER it's football! :mad:

Jim Wynne

8th November 2006, 12:20 PM

For me there is no better sport (despite Jim Wynn's terrible article during the world cup!).
Geez, the least you could do is provide a link. (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/04/07/093520.php) :cool: Besides, my mother thought it was a great piece. And until football soccer can match the fine physical specimens of the NFL, we have nothing to talk about.
:biglaugh:

http://elsmar.com/jpg/perrypx3.jpg

Hershal

8th November 2006, 02:02 PM

jeffrey_Chang

8th November 2006, 08:57 PM

Seeing as there is a very low representation of Football fans (by that I mean the proper game, "Soccer" as you like to call it, thought step into the UK and you won't here "soccer"), I thought I would post!

following my team, the mighty Reds of Liverpool has been a roller-coaster ride that I don't regret a minute of.

That's about it, thanks for letting FOOTBALL in to this thread and I will finish by saying.....Come on You RED's!

PS: It's not SOCCER it's football! :mad:

EPL is one of the most watch matches in Asia. We, Asian, are typically fanatical when it comes to soccer...Imagine the waves that this little ball have created in the recent World Cup...
In my company alone, we have supporters of liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal etc and it is also one of the favorite topics during breaks. We even have a soccer session every Thursday.

I wonders what happens to liverpool for this season :jawdrop: They sucks big time. :mg:

Finally, ARSENAL ARSENAL ARSENAL THE KING OF ALL TEAMS. :lol:

Laura M

8th November 2006, 09:29 PM

Of course we can all root for The Lifesavers - my soccer team :agree1:

We got our name because for years we came in second and second place got a roll of lifesavers - remember the commercial where the mom uses them to cheer up her kid after a base ball game?

Gotta run! 9:30 game!

AndyN

8th November 2006, 10:29 PM

And what about us rugby fans? Do we get a mention, too?:bigwave:
:lol:
Andy

AndyN

8th November 2006, 10:33 PM

BTW - for those who are 'challenged", rugby is a hooligans' game, played by gentlemen and soccer is a gentlemens' game, played by hooligans.......:lmao:

Andy

Manix

9th November 2006, 05:41 AM

Manix my son.....you have obviously NEVER seen Arena football!

I don't disagree with your loyalty and passion, but think about it.....our football is boring to you.....and running around for 25 mnutes after a score while the announcer shouts "GOAL!" (shouted once for the entire 25 minutes) is equally boring for us.....

Hence the great opportunity for an exchange of viewpoints.....

Any Aussies out there? Keep us up on AUSTRAIAN RULES! That is also great football! For those unfamiliar, imagine American Football (NFL) without pads, and with Tabasco mixed in.....

Hershal

Last time I checked (which was Sunday when my team was knocked out of the Hampshire cup on penalties), a football match lasted 90 mins. Not sure where the 25 minutes you speak of is coming from?! Plus in England, Players, commentators or spectators don't shout GOAL! That's on the European mainland in countries like Spain and Italy. We usually just shout YEAHHHHHH or GET IN THERE!

I agree with your comments on Aussie Rules, now that is a proper mans game!

Liverpool won last Night and we are improving, though I agree our form this year has not been that good! Though we did manage to beat West Ham, something Aresenal didn't manage on Sunday!

chergh

9th November 2006, 07:49 AM

Geez, the least you could do is provide a link. (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/04/07/093520.php) :cool: Besides, my mother thought it was a great piece. And until football soccer can match the fine physical specimens of the NFL, we have nothing to talk about.
:biglaugh:

We have better specimens than that. John Hartson for example

http://elsmar.com/jpg/jhartson18.gif

Hershal

9th November 2006, 04:52 PM

OK, I give that 25 minutes is a bit much.....just seems that way.....in the States, seems like every time we see soccer on TV (usually a small piece when at all).....and it is the long shout, and seems like the player that scores has to run around the field three times.....

Yes, a bit stereotypical perhaps.....just the typical exposure here.....except for kids soccer of course....

Now on to BCS.....hopefully this is the last season for it.....it at first seemed like an improvement, but several times major conferences have been left out even when they had a legitimate claim to the title.....

Hopefully NCAA will finally look at a playoff like AA and AAA have.....

And this year, just because.....I hope to see Louisville in the BCS.....pains me though to say that, since I am a Gator.....

Hershal

Icy Mountain

9th November 2006, 05:23 PM

You are right, Hershal. The BCS is all about generating revenue. I think they could generate a lot more with a very simple system:

Require everyone to play all the teams in their conference. That would mean 10 or 11 regular season games for most teams. Games like Ohio State vs. Northern Illinois or Texas vs. Rice would be strictly forbidden. No more pushovers during regular season.

Have a playoff with seeded teams much like basketball (sorry, single elimination only). Conference ties and other disputes would be decided in the first round since there are only 11 conferences and we need to fill a 16 team starting bracket. Teams like Rutgers & Louisville from the Big East or the MAC champion would get a shot that they rarely see now! Tough, monster conference teams wouldn't knock each other out of the running since every conference would be represented.

Worst case, 15 game season for the champion, but we get 15 exciting games during post-season play instead of the rash of mostly boring bowl games on New Years Day. Two weeks between each round. First round on Thanksgiving Weekend Saturday. Second and third rounds on Saturdays in December at current BCS bowl sites (rotating of course) with the Big Game on New Years Day at a rotating site).

jeffrey_Chang

10th November 2006, 04:15 AM

Liverpool won last Night and we are improving, though I agree our form this year has not been that good! Though we did manage to beat West Ham, something Aresenal didn't manage on Sunday!

Arsenal is playing against Liverpool this coming Sunday 12 Nov 06. We shall see who's gonna be beaten...:lol:

Team GP Pts
Man U 11 28
Chelsea 11 25
Bolton 11 20
Portsmouth 11 19
Arsenal 10 18
Aston Villa 11 18
Everton 11 17
Liverpool 11 17

:D

tyker

10th November 2006, 07:25 AM

Arsenal is playing against Liverpool this coming Sunday 12 Nov 06. We shall see who's gonna be beaten...:lol:

:D

Who could possibly have any interest in this game when, on the same day, Milton Keynes Dons will be playing Farsley Celtic in the first round of the FA cup.:rolleyes:

Tim Folkerts

10th November 2006, 09:27 AM

Last time I checked (which was Sunday when my team was knocked out of the Hampshire cup on penalties), a football match lasted 90 mins.

Why can't football (soccer) learn to use a stopwatch? I not an expert, but last time I checked, matches last about 92-96 minutes, but no one really knows until it is over. ;-)

Tim F

Icy Mountain

10th November 2006, 10:53 AM

Icy’s BCS Top 5 (Sort-of) Breakdown
Louisville (Go Cards!) is really tough this year and will secure a firm hold on the #3 spot when they win over Rutgers.OUCH!! I'm eating crow already! Does Rutgers have enough schedule power to end up in the #3 spot? It's a distinct possibility! With a win at WV in their last game and Harris/Coaches Poll rankings anywhere above #7, that is a YES!

Hershal

10th November 2006, 12:41 PM

Hopefully Louisville will NOT drop from top 10, but that Rutgers will move into the top 10.....

After all, Louisville was beaten by a ranked opponent.....USC was beaten by an UNRANKED oppoenent and stayed in the top 10.....

Will the BCS show one more example of bias, or actually get it right?

Still, if the Gators beat the Gamecocks this weekend.....they should, but it IS the SEC, which means anything can happen.....then the Gators should be back at #3.....and able to take on the winner of the Big 10 for the BCS.....

And remember, USC still has to get past Oregon (SC should win), Cal (SC should lose), and Notre Dame (SC should lose big).....SC is this season learning how to play 4 quarter football.....three times of BARELY winning against unranked opponents, and a loss.....they do not deserve to be in the top 5.....I support Cal in the top 5, but USC is way over-rated.....just my opinion of course.....

Hershal

Manix

10th November 2006, 01:13 PM

Arsenal is playing against Liverpool this coming Sunday 12 Nov 06. We shall see who's gonna be beaten...:lol:

Team GP Pts
Man U 11 28
Chelsea 11 25
Bolton 11 20
Portsmouth 11 19
Arsenal 10 18
Aston Villa 11 18
Everton 11 17
Liverpool 11 17

:D

We will see. We are pretty poor this season, but I don't think Arsenal have been any better. 1 point difference.....oh you are only 10 points behind Man U instead of 11!

One for Tim F, it's definitely 90mins, but there is a thing called stoppage time which is added on at the end of each half to compensate for the time taken over injuries etc.........kind of like a +/- tolerance, the capability of a game is dependant upon the teams involved (I.e. how much they time waste, spend pretending to be injured etc...) and the referee involved. Like any production process, variation is inevitable and so it must be monitored and compensated for.

Of course if the game needs to have a winner on the day. 30 mins of extra time is played (15 mins each way) and if still not decided, then penalties is used!

Tim Folkerts

10th November 2006, 01:41 PM

One for Tim F, it's definitely 90mins, but there is a thing called stoppage time which is added on at the end of each half to compensate for the time taken over injuries etc.....

I actually roughly understood this idea. My point is that every other timed sport actually stops the clock when play is stopped for injury, penalties, etc. That way everyone knows how much time is left, rather than simply wondering when the ref is going to call the game. :lol:

Why hasn't soccer yet adopted the 17th? centrury technology of a clock that can be stopped and started? :bonk: ;)

Dale D. Barnes

10th November 2006, 03:17 PM

Hershel you and Icy are leaving out a very important scenerio. Arkansas beating Florida in the SEC championship game and being 13-1 for the season. :cool: Knowing the BCS we would still be lucky to make it to the Cotton Bowl.:mad: Don't count us out so far its been a fabulous season not counting the loss to USC. We will be able to tell more after Saturday's game. If (When) Arkansas beats Ten. then we shouldn't have any problem the rest of the year. This thread will be busy come Monday.

Have a Good Weekend
Dale

GO HOGS

Icy Mountain

10th November 2006, 03:41 PM

Sorry Dale,
In all my perusals of the Top 25 and their opponents for the rest of the season, I did miss the Arkansas Proposition (sounds like a Ludlum book). Add that Hog win over Auburn to Razorback wins over Tennessee, LSU and finally the curs-ed Gators in the SEC championship and I think that Arkansas would be a soooie-in to play the winner of the OSU-UM game for the national championship.

I think USC, Texas and Florida all have another loss coming. Cal, ND and WVU aren't out of the woods, either. Arkansas #2 and Rutgers #4 if they both win out?

I just wonder how far the loser of the OSU-UM game drops? I mean, someone's got to lose. If you're #2 and lose to #1, doesn't that still mean you're #2, assuming everyone else has a 1 loss record as well? I'd really hate to see the loser go any lower than #3.

Jim Wynne

10th November 2006, 04:24 PM

If soccer is admissible, then why not the great Irish game of Hurling, wherein two teams try to break sticks over each other's heads:
http://elsmar.com/jpg/hurlingof6.jpg

I'm also told that the same name is given to a different, but very popular, activity that takes place outside Irish pubs at closing time.

Icy Mountain

10th November 2006, 05:11 PM

I'm also told that the same name is given to a different, but very popular, activity that takes place outside Irish pubs at closing time.An activity by this name is also very popular with college students at Big 10 universities, especially around 1AM Sunday morning after a football Saturday. This might occur at schools in other leagues but I have to limit my reporting to personally observed facts, since Jim is watching (wink, wink). Go Bucks! Go Boilers!:beerdive:

Hershal

10th November 2006, 07:17 PM

I didn't miss the Arkansas connection, just didn't mention it.....

Arkansas still has to get past LSU, which is by far the toughest game remaining for them, until they get to Atlanta.....I am assuming of course they beat LSU.....as for Tennessee, that is SEC East, and should not affect the position of Arkansas for the SEC West title.....

The fight in Atlanta will be a true SEC match.....that is a blood feud, jackyard dog, draw-quarter-kill-then-hurt-them kind of match.....good football in other words.....

GO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chomp! Chomp!

Hershal

Hershal

12th November 2006, 06:38 PM

WOW! What some great games!

Arkansas/Tennessee was a great game.....congrats to LSU (I was chanting Roll Tide!).....and Georgia destroyed Auburn.....now THAT was a wild game! Oh, the Pac-10 had some games too.

Now the BCS is just a wee bit better, but still out of line I think.....

I agree with having Florida and Arkansas in the top 5, and LSU also in the top 10.....but think Rutgers should be in the top 5 also.....USC is still in the top 5 even though they are way overrated.....but Cal and Notre Dame should take care of USC.....

I think Rutgers should be #3, Florida #4, and Arkansas #5.....

Next Saturday I am supposed to be in Vegas watching the Iron Bowl.....

Hershal

jeffrey_Chang

12th November 2006, 08:56 PM

Milton Keynes Dons will be playing Farsley Celtic in the first round of the FA cup.:rolleyes:

Milton Keynes Dons vs Farsley Celtic :nope: Pardon my ignorance, never heard of these teams. :lmao:

Who could possibly have any interest in this game

FYI, there will be alot of interested ppl watching the match between Arsenal and Liverpool here in Asia, esp South East Asia :D

We will see. We are pretty poor this season, but I don't think Arsenal have been any better. 1 point difference.....oh you are only 10 points behind Man U instead of 11!

:mg: Arsenal 3 vs Liverpool 0 :naughty:

Arsenal now in 3rd place and only played 11 matches. :)

Team Pld Pts
Man Utd 12 31
Chelsea 12 28
Arsenal 11 21
Aston Villa 12 21
Bolton 12 21
Portsmouth 12 20
Everton 12 17
Wigan 11 17
Liverpool 12 17
Fulham 12 17
Reading 12 16
Tottenham 12 15
M'brough 12 14
Man City 12 13
Blackburn 12 12
West Ham 12 11
Sheff Utd 12 10
Newcastle 12 9
Watford 12 9
Charlton 12 8

No hard feelings bros... :vfunny:

tyker

13th November 2006, 04:29 AM

The world will have to continue holding it's breath a bit longer.
Farsley Celtic 0 Milton Keynes Dons 0
I'll let you know how the replay goes.

I had the Arsenal v Liverpool game on TV but my one day old grandson was in my arms so I didn't pay much attention to the match. He snored right through it so he may be a Manchester United supporter like his dad or an MK Dons fan like his granddad, but he won't be cheering for Arsenal like his mother's family.

Manix

13th November 2006, 05:24 AM

I Hold my hands up and say my team were once again pretty poor away from home! In fact this issue could cost us dearly this year!

Oh well, just have to go and win the Champions League again!

Craig H.

13th November 2006, 09:09 AM

I might as well get in my "WAR EAGLE!!" (Go Auburn!!) since everyone else seems to have a favorite pick in the SEC....:lol:

Oh, gee, you can say it again if you want. Yuk yuk yuk.

'Bout them dogs? Sure didn't see this coming.

Icy Mountain

13th November 2006, 10:28 AM

I think USC, Texas and Florida all have another loss coming. Cal, ND and WVU aren't out of the woods, either. Arkansas #2 and Rutgers #4 if they both win out?Well, 33% of the predictions are true in one week. AZ upsets Cal's apple cart and the K. State Jayhawks hand Texas a big loss and Arkansas posts a convincing win over Tennesse. Next, either Cal or ND should knock off USC, if we're lucky it's Cal and then USC knocks off ND, Arkansas gets the Gators in the SEC championship, and Rutgers nails WVU.

Arkansas and Rutgers await the votes and CPUs to see who gets to play the OSU-UM winner. I'd really like to see the Buckeyes play the Hogs.

Dale D. Barnes

13th November 2006, 02:19 PM

Great games this weekend! Of course GO HOGS:applause: We still have to get past the next two games then Florida. LSU will be a tough one. I thought Tenn. would be tougher but the hogs handled them with no problem. If Nutt wouldn't have went into conservative mode after the first half we should have scored a couple of more touchdowns which would have helped a little in the poll voting. Thanks to all who are even mentioning Arkansas as being in the National Championship game.:thanx: Are season has already been to great and that would be the iceing.

By the way I need One ticket to the ARK/LSU game if anyone has an extra. :cfingers:

Dale

Coury Ferguson

13th November 2006, 03:16 PM

Oh, gee, you can say it again if you want. Yuk yuk yuk.

'Bout them dogs? Sure didn't see this coming.

But didn't the Bulldogs beat Auburn this past Saturday?

Craig H.

13th November 2006, 03:35 PM

But didn't the Bulldogs beat Auburn this past Saturday?

Yep, that's the point. Even I had written off the rest of UGA's season.

Its as if someone had kidnapped the real team, and one of the alums paid the ransom just last week. Seriously, where did THAT come from. This did not look like the same team that lost to both Vanderbuilt and Ky. If the Bulldogs had played like this against Florida....

I was just being a little mean, in a good hearted sort of way.

GStough

13th November 2006, 03:40 PM

Oh, gee, you can say it again if you want. Yuk yuk yuk.

'Bout them dogs? Sure didn't see this coming.

My sister couldn't take it - she had to turn it off!! :mad:
Well, there's still the Iron Bowl on Saturday to look forward to!! :rolleyes:
What can I say? We're a die hard Auburn family!! :lol:

WAR EAGLE!!!

Coury Ferguson

13th November 2006, 03:47 PM

Yep, that's the point. Even I had written off the rest of UGA's season.

Its as if someone had kidnapped the real team, and one of the alums paid the ransom just last week. Seriously, where did THAT come from. This did not look like the same team that lost to both Vanderbuilt and Ky. If the Bulldogs had played like this against Florida....

I was just being a little mean, in a good hearted sort of way.

When are the Bulldogs scheduled to play USC (University of So Cal , not University of South Carolina)? I want to make sure I don't miss that game, if I haven't already.

Auburn, when are they scheduled to play USC? If they haven't already played either.

Maybe there could be some side bets on these two games, not that I am a gambler?

Icy Mountain

13th November 2006, 05:12 PM

Coury,
The Bulldogs only have one regular season game left: The Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech.

The Auburn Tigers have only one regular season game left: Alabama's Crimson Tide.

You'll have to keep your fingers crossed and wait for the post-season bowls.

Hershal

13th November 2006, 11:46 PM

'Bout them dogs? Sure didn't see this coming.

Sure you are a Georgia fan? After all, you misspelled the specie of the mascot.....it is not dog, it is DAWG!

This upcoming Saturday, I will be in Vegas, in the timeshare, big screen TV and Bose surround sound cranked as son and I watch the Iron Bowl.....ROLL TIDE!

USC won't play Auburn.....certainly won't go to Tiger Stadium and I suspect is terrified of The Swamp.....after all, they are a wimpy Pac-10 team.....

But have no fear.....both Cal and ND should take them down.....then they will finally be ranked where they should be.

Hershal

Coury Ferguson

14th November 2006, 05:37 AM

Coury Ferguson

14th November 2006, 09:00 AM

Latest information:

Rutgers up to No. 7 in AP Top 25
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Associated Press
Posted: 1 day ago

Arkansas and Rutgers are on the rise. Florida and Southern California are practically even. And Ohio State and Michigan haven't budged from the top of The Associated Press Top 25.

After a wild week in which four top-10 teams lost, including three of the top five, the rankings had a major shake-up Sunday.
Except at the top, where No. 1 Ohio State and No. 2 Michigan held their places and set up the second 1 vs. 2 matchup of the season. The Buckeyes (11-0) and Wolverines (11-0) play Saturday in Columbus, Ohio, with the winner earning a spot in the national title game Jan. 8 in Arizona.

Ohio State, which beat Texas in a 1 vs. 2 game in September, received all but one of the 65 first-place votes, with Michigan getting the other.

Florida is No. 3, just three points ahead of USC. The Gators, who moved up three spots, needed a blocked field goal on the final play to beat South Carolina 17-16 on Saturday. The Trojans defeated Oregon 35-10 to also move up three spots.

No. 5 Arkansas moved up six spots with its 31-14 victory over Tennessee, and Notre Dame went up three spots to No. 6 after winning 39-17 at Air Force.

The Razorbacks have their highest ranking since they were No. 4 in October 1985.

Last week, Louisville, Texas and Auburn held spots three through five, but all were upset.

Unbeaten Rutgers handed Louisville its first loss of the season on Thursday, 28-25. The win boosted the Scarlet Knights to No. 7, their first appearance in the top 10.

Texas and Auburn were beaten by unranked teams. The Longhorns lost at Kansas State 45-42, and Auburn fell to Georgia 37-15.

The last time three top-five teams lost on the same weekend was Nov. 2, 2002, when No. 3 Virginia Tech, No. 4 Notre Dame and No. 5 Georgia all were upset by unranked opponents.

West Virginia is No. 8 in the latest media poll, followed by LSU and Louisville, which dropped seven spots to No. 10. The Big East has three top-10 teams, along with the Southeastern Conference.

Texas fell seven spots to No. 11. No. 12 Wisconsin moved up four spots and undefeated Boise State moved up one place to No. 13.

No. 14 Wake Forest, coming off a 30-0 victory at Florida State that made the Demon Deacons 9-1 for the first time, moved up four spots.

No. 15 Auburn dropped 10 spots. The Tigers are followed by Oklahoma and California, the fourth member of last week's top 10 to lose. Cal was upset 24-20 at Arizona.

Four Atlantic Coast Conference teams hold the next four spots, starting with No. 18 Georgia Tech, the Coastal Division champ. Virginia Tech is 19th, followed by Boston College and Maryland, which is tied with Wake Forest for the lead in the Atlantic Division. The ACC has six ranked teams, the most of any conference.

Tennessee dropped nine places to 22 after its second consecutive loss. No. 23 BYU moved up two spots and No. 24 Nebraska and No. 25 Clemson moved back into the rankings this week.

Texas A&M and Oregon fell out of the rankings.

RCBeyette

14th November 2006, 09:26 AM

BTW - for those who are 'challenged", rugby is a hooligans' game, played by gentlemen and soccer is a gentlemens' game, played by hooligans...

I dated a rugby player once upon a time...guess there are exceptions to every rule. ;)

But it doesn't appear anyne has mentioned the Canadian Football League...and no, it's not the farm system for the NFL!

I'm a Winnipeg fan...probably the only thing in Winnipeg that I actually l like.

Craig H.

14th November 2006, 10:04 AM

Sure you are a Georgia fan? After all, you misspelled the specie of the mascot.....it is not dog, it is DAWG!

This upcoming Saturday, I will be in Vegas, in the timeshare, big screen TV and Bose surround sound cranked as son and I watch the Iron Bowl.....ROLL TIDE!

USC won't play Auburn.....certainly won't go to Tiger Stadium and I suspect is terrified of The Swamp.....after all, they are a wimpy Pac-10 team.....

But have no fear.....both Cal and ND should take them down.....then they will finally be ranked where they should be.

Hershal

Well, believe it or not, I do sometimes try to keep at least some level of decorum. Of course while the game is being played, I can bark with the best. Woof, indeed.

Pac-10? Isn't that the game with the sideways smiley that gets chased by ghosts?

Icy Mountain

14th November 2006, 01:33 PM

But it doesn't appear anyne has mentioned the Canadian Football League...and no, it's not the farm system for the NFL!It's where we send the one's not good enough for the NFL (Stanley Jackson, QB-Ohio State, '96-'97, try to find his college stats) while we keep the good ones here (Joe Germaine, QB - Ohio State, 96-'98, 11 school records, 6,370 yards passing, 56 TDs, won the 1997 Rose Bowl by driving 65 yards in 59 seconds to beat Arizona State and Jake Plummer, 20-17).

Aaron Lupo

14th November 2006, 01:33 PM

But it doesn't appear anyne has mentioned the Canadian Football League...and no, it's not the farm system for the NFL!

They play football in Canada???:lmao:

Actually it is not the farm sstem forthe NFL, it is where all the cast aways from the NFL got to play.

Serioulsy, I have watched a few CFL games and find it interesting, they have a field that is longer and wider than the NFL which makes for some very exciting play.

RCBeyette

14th November 2006, 01:47 PM

They play football in Canada???:lmao:

We try, but it's difficult to keep the number of players down to a minimum. Those that are cut from the team join the cheerleaders instead. :lol: If you thought our hockey players were tough, our boys play football no matter how deep the snow is on the field!

Actually it is not the farm sstem forthe NFL, it is where all the cast aways from the NFL got to play.

I'd buy that. Although, from what I gather there's a few Canucks in the NFL. Vander-something-or-other lives just around the corner from my parents (about a 20 minute drive from my work) - used to kick for Indy, now he's with Dallas (I think). Heard about someone named Ryan on the Packers, too.

Serioulsy, I have watched a few CFL games and find it interesting, they have a field that is longer and wider than the NFL which makes for some very exciting play.

They need to run more to keep warm.

Icy Mountain

14th November 2006, 01:47 PM

OK, here's what I want for Christmas:
OSU beats Michigan
Cal beats USC
Arkansas wins out, including beating Florida
Arkansas needs some real help. USC spanked them 50-14 in the first game of the season. Winning out might get them by Rutgers but USC needs to lose another one.
USC beats Notre Dame
Rutgers wins out, including beating West Virginia

The Razorbacks and the Buckeyes play for the National Championship. Michigan has to play RUTGERS in a bowl game for the #3 spot.:lmao:

PLEASE, Santa, I've been really good this year!
-Icy

Dan Armstrong

14th November 2006, 03:15 PM

Rutgers wins out, including beating West Virginia

This will be a great game, but it's not gonna happen for ya. The Mountaineers have them at home, WVU's defense (poor as it is) matches up well vs. Rutger's offense, and no one has been able to stop WVU's offense. I'm more worried about the Backyard Brawl aginst Pitt Thursday night.

Let's Go, Mountaineers!

Manix

15th November 2006, 05:15 AM

It's where we send the one's not good enough for the NFL (Stanley Jackson, QB-Ohio State, '96-'97, try to find his college stats) while we keep the good ones here (Joe Germaine, QB - Ohio State, 96-'98, 11 school records, 6,370 yards passing, 56 TDs, won the 1997 Rose Bowl by driving 65 yards in 59 seconds to beat Arizona State and Jake Plummer, 20-17).

..and the US is where we send all of our european Football (soccer) players that have either passed it or are just not good enough. Either there or Japan! Your good football (soccer) players all come to europe! You mainly produce good goalkeepers something to do with being able to handle the ball I should think!

Aaron Lupo

15th November 2006, 07:51 AM

This will be a great game, but it's not gonna happen for ya. The Mountaineers have them at home, WVU's defense (poor as it is) matches up well vs. Rutger's offense, and no one has been able to stop WVU's offense. I'm more worried about the Backyard Brawl aginst Pitt Thursday night.

Let's Go, Mountaineers!

I seem to remember Louisville stopping that vaunted WV offense enugh to beat them 44-34. :lmao:

I am sorry but I have to pull for Rutgers, I would love to see them run the table and get a shot at the National Title.

Dan Armstrong

15th November 2006, 09:22 AM

I seem to remember Louisville stopping that vaunted WV offense enugh to beat them 44-34. :lmao:

I am sorry but I have to pull for Rutgers, I would love to see them run the table and get a shot at the National Title.

If you watched the Louisville game, neither team could stop the other (over 1000 yards of total offense???) What caused WVU to lose that game was a special teams letdown and a fumble - WVU's own mistakes.

From the perspective of the Big East, I'd really like to see Rutgers play for the title. But right or wrong, they'll never get there over a one loss team from another conference. The Big East lost their chance at a title when Rutgers beat Louisville. That being so, I'll root for my Mountaineers.

Coury Ferguson

15th November 2006, 09:42 AM

Posted: 1 hour ago

California-USC Preview

It's been a while since Southern California did not play for a national title. It's been a lot longer since California earned a spot in the Rose Bowl.

After the fourth-ranked Trojans (8-1, 6-1) unexpectedly climbed back into the national championship race, they face the No. 17 Golden Bears (8-2, 6-1) on Saturday night in a matchup that will decide the Pac-10's BCS bid.
The winner of the matchup at the Los Angeles Coliseum will own the tiebreaker advantage in the conference. A victory would keep USC in position to possibly play for the national title for the fourth straight season.

California, meanwhile, can clinch its first Rose Bowl berth since the 1958 season.

The Trojans' 33-31 loss at Oregon State on Oct. 28 appeared to have eliminated them from national championship contention, but several upsets have thrust USC back into the thick of the race.

"We have a great opportunity to do something special," coach Pete Carroll said after the Trojans celebrated homecoming by beating then-No. 21 Oregon 35-10 Saturday night for their 31st straight victory at the L.A. Coliseum. "These last few games really do feel like playoff games to us. We want to see if we can put it together."

The Trojans are in third place in the BCS, right behind Ohio State and Michigan, returning to the spot they held before losing three weeks ago. Ohio State and Michigan meet Saturday, with the winner assured of finishing first in the final BCS standings. USC hopes to finish second, and that could be a reachable goal with three more wins.

The Trojans play No. 6 Notre Dame next week, also at the Coliseum, before finishing against crosstown rival UCLA at the Rose Bowl.

"This is our playoff run right now," said USC defensive end Lawrence Jackson, who had three of the Trojans' four sacks against the Ducks - his first three of the season.

Ranked ninth in the AP poll after its loss, the Trojans now trail unbeaten Ohio State and Michigan and once-beaten Florida. Five teams ahead of USC two weeks ago have lost since that time, and Florida barely avoided being upset Saturday, getting a blocked field goal in the final seconds to preserve a 17-16 victory over South Carolina.

Chauncey Washington rushed for a career-high 119 yards and three touchdowns, and John David Booty passed for 176 yards and another score to lead the Trojans past Oregon. The big story, though, was the USC defense, which limited the Ducks to their lowest point total of the season.

The Trojans beat Stanford 42-0 the previous week, and are allowing 14.7 points per game.

Cal had the league's leading rusher in Marshawn Lynch, and its most efficient passer, Nathan Longshore, but its 24-20 loss to Arizona on Saturday knocked it out of the national title hunt.

Cal's matchup with USC, though, is perhaps its most meaningful game in decades.

"It's nice to have the opportunity to play for the Pac-10 championship," California coach Jeff Tedford said. "That's what we play for."

While Lynch rushed for 102 yards, the Bears never found an offensive rhythm against Arizona. Lynch has 1,090 rushing yards, making him just the second player in team history with two 1,000-yard seasons. He is tied with teammate DeSean Jackson for the conference lead with 13 touchdowns.

Longshore leads the Pac-10 with 2,393 yards and 21 passing touchdowns. He threw for 250 yards and three TDs with one interception Saturday, but it wasn't enough to overcome costly penalties.

Cal had a pair of interceptions and a 79-yard touchdown run by Lynch erased by penalties.

"It's not over," Bears center Alex Mack said. "It just hurts."

Jackson was the star of the game, returning a punt return 95 yards for a touchdown. It was his conference-record fifth career punt return for a touchdown. Jackson has four this season, averaging 20.7 yards per return.

He also caught a career-long 62-yard touchdown pass from Longshore and finished with six catches for 131 yards. Jackson leads the team with 45 catches for 811 yards and nine touchdowns.

USC leads the series with Cal 58-30-5. The Trojans have won two straight since a 34-31 triple-overtime road loss on Sept. 27, 2003. It was USC's only defeat en route to the first of two straight national titles.

Here is the preview of the USC vs Cal. Any side bets (for fun)?

Icy Mountain

20th November 2006, 11:06 AM

GO BUCKS!
OHIO STATE #1!

GStough

20th November 2006, 11:14 AM

One more time....

WAR EAGLE!!!

:D

Icy Mountain

20th November 2006, 04:08 PM

Sorry, Miss Stough, but your Two-loss Tigers (to #39 Georgia!?) are not in contention for the title. You do have nice helmets. Also, you need to decide on a mascot is it War Eagle VI (a.k.a. Tiger) or Aubie (a.k.a. The Tiger):

GStough

20th November 2006, 04:11 PM

ralphsulser

20th November 2006, 04:20 PM

GO BUCKS!
OHIO STATE #1!

Do you suppose that Woody and Bo watched the game together?

Mike Smith

20th November 2006, 04:34 PM

Did you see the interview with Bo? The story:

Ohio State was winning the game 49-12 with about two minutes left. Ohio State scores another touchdown and decides to go for two points with the game in hand.

After the game, a reporter ask Woody why he went for two. His answer, because I could not go for three.

I guess this says a little about the rivalry.

Icy Mountain

20th November 2006, 04:36 PM

Do you suppose that Woody and Bo watched the game together?There was a joke going around this weekend.
Bo arrives in the afterlife on Friday afternoon and meets up with his old friend Woody. They agree to meet the next day to watch The Game. After watching his team march down the field and score on their first possession, Bo turns to Woody and says, "It's just great to be watching this game here in Heaven with you, Woody!" Woody just sits in stony silence and watches the game with just the hint of a grin. After watching Ohio State march down the field and score on their first possession, Woody turns to Bo and says, "Who told you that this was Heaven?":lmao:

Old Quality Gal

20th November 2006, 06:04 PM

Do you suppose that Woody and Bo watched the game together?

Not only did they watch it together but Woody punched a passing angel that momentarily blocked their view!
I am so proud of my UC Bearcats for their upset of Rutgers!
My Bengals have stumbled badly so it was at least some good news for me!
I think sports builds character and has a greater impact on people's memories both good and bad than many people realize.
Years ago I was in a county assessor's office in Cincinnati researching a plot plan. There were a couple of older gents arguing near me about a football game. As they mentioned names and plays in their argument it began to sound really familiar to me.
Then it dawned on me that they were discussing my Dad's final high school game. Purcell vs Elder High School in 1945. It was the war years and there wasn't much in the way of pro sports so high school and college ruled. My Dad's offensive line outsized the Chicago Bears that year.
I interrupted and told them 99 the center for Purcell was my Dad.
They got so excited and they each wrote a note to him.It made his day when I gave them to him.
I remember attending the "ice bowl" Cincinnati Bengals vs the San Diego Chargers in the playoffs. It was -55 degrees at the kickoff and I was freezing in a black snow mobile suit with orange stripes sewn on it!
The Bengals line trotted out in thier summer jerseys looking like it was a spring day, Max Montoya and the big guys!
It was a rout! However we couldn't deliver in the Super Bowl against the 49ers (twice) sigh!
See I get started on this subject and can't shut up!
Hoo Dey!

Hershal

20th November 2006, 10:54 PM

OK, Auburn has a winning season (they beat Alabama) and now Alabama has a losing season.....for those unfamiliar, that game defines whether the season is a winning or losing season, the rest of the games (with a few exceptions) are just games.....the exceptions of course for Alabama (can't speak for Auburn here) are Tenneesse and LSU.....

The SEC title game is now set, Florida and Arkansas in Atlanta.....even if Arkansas loses to LSU (it is the SEC so hard to call), they still go.....I think they will beat LSU and I think Florida will beat Florida State (I will be chomping, my son will be chopping).....

If Florida wins, they should face Ohio State, and potentially USC could face Arkansas.....assuming of course USC survives Notre Dame and UCLA.....

If Arkansas wins they should face Oho State and Notre Dame should face Florida.....

USC should be beaten like a stray dog this weekend when they face Notre Dame.....

But then the BCS is so screwed up that it could have any match-up.....it is time to scrap the BCS and go to a play-off system using the bowls.....

Just my thoughts.....

Hershal

Aaron Lupo

21st November 2006, 07:51 AM

RCBeyette

21st November 2006, 08:05 AM

The Grey Cup is done and the Canadian Football League's season has come to an end. Montreal versus BC - I must admit that I was torn between who to root for. Rumour has it that the two teams had some opposite "words of wisdom" from their coaches on nocturnal activities for the night before the big game. BC won the Cup and if the rumours are true, I see a possible new trend starting with athletes.

However, that being said, seeing as how I didn't know who to cheer for I opted to watch the final NASCAR Nextel Cup race of the season (sob!). Montoya, in his first Nextel Cup race, must have been rather upset that his car went BOOM! Looks like it's a tad more difficult to get out of flaming stockcar than a flaming F1. :notme:

Bill Pflanz

21st November 2006, 10:47 AM

For all the talk about the calculations involved with determining the BCS rankings, there remains a significant amount of subjectivity to them. From what I have read and heard here in Columbus is that the opponent for Ohio State will be determined after the remaining key games are played. Michigan at #2 is being considered a holding place until the real #2 is decided.

Although won/lost records and strength of schedule play a part in the calculations, the real factor will be the subjective polls that are used in the rankings. Depending on whether USC, Florida or Arkansas win out, the various subjective polls will determine who gets into the National Championship game. Unless Ohio State wins the game, the next year will be filled with the editorials on the failure of the BCS rankings and the need for a play off system. My alma mater, the University of Cincinnati, did their part by beating Rutgers. At least we don't have to hear that they should have played Ohio State if they were still undefeated.

Bill Pflanz

Dale D. Barnes

21st November 2006, 11:46 AM

Lets see here who has Michigan played thats in the top 25 this year??? Maybe 2 teams. Unless you count theirselves!!! :lmao:

If Arkansas wins out lets see who they played and what their rankings were when Arkansas played them. HMMM Auburn #2 , Tenn. #11
USC #2, Alabama #21, LSU #9, Florida #3, (Think these rankings are correct past and future) and undefeated in the toughest conference hands down. Now this is hoping that Arkansas beats LSU and Florida :cfingers:.

That is half of their season against ranked teams and the only game they lost is the first one against USC before they had the quarterback situation fixed and players out hurt.

Now Ohio State and Michigan may be the best teams but you have to prove that by strength of schedule and I do not know exactly who they have played so list it out for me (top 25 teams) and you could change my mind.

Icy Mountain

21st November 2006, 11:50 AM

No doubt about it the two best teams in College football right now are Michigan and Ohio State and there is no reason that they should not have a re-match. USC, Notre Dame, Florida etc... not even close this year. Either Michigan or Ohio St would sundly beat any of those teams.
The BCS is about advertising cash and audience size. Therefore, I think (see picture) before OSU and UM rematch. USC (3) is the only one that controls its own destiny. If they beat Notre Dame (5), the computers will go with the polls and rank them #2. If Notre Dame wins, they still have that 47-21 spanking from Michigan that may prevent them from being ranked #2. So, a Notre Dame win probably means Florida (4) and Arkansas (6) get a shot. Winner goes to Arizona to play Ohio State. Then it is a debate about which remaining 1-loss team gets to play Michigan.

It really doesn't matter at this point who beats whom. The National Championship was played last weekend and Ohio State beat the #2 team in the nation for the second time this season. Whatever teams play Ohio State and Michigan are going to get screwed into the turf. Big 10 RULES!

Icy Mountain

21st November 2006, 12:50 PM

Lets see here who has Michigan played thats in the top 25 this year??? Maybe 2 teams. Unless you count theirselves!!!

Now Ohio State and Michigan may be the best teams but you have to prove that by strength of schedule and I do not know exactly who they have played so list it out for me (top 25 teams) and you could change my mind.You really have to look at where teams were (over-rated) at the time of the game AND where they are now.
Michigan:
Notre Dame, #12 in Week 4 and 5 now, 42-21
Wisconsin, Un-Ranked in Week 5 and 8, 27-13
Penn State, UR in Week 8 and 25, 17-10
Ohio State, 1 and 1, 42-39 loss
Average Rank when played is 12 and 12.6 now, LOSSES DO NOT COUNT

Ohio State:
Texas, #2 in week 3 and 13 now, 27-7
Penn State, 24 in week 5 and 25, 28-6
Iowa, 13 in week 6 and UR, 38-17
Michigan, 2 and 2, 42-39
Average Rank when played 10.5 and 13 now, NO losses

Arkansas:
USC, #6 in week 2 and 3 now, got spanked 50-14
Alabama, UR in week 5 and 33, barely won 24-23 in OT
Auburn, 2 in week and 12, 27-10
Tennessee, 13 in week 12 and 20, 31-14
Average Rank when played 7.5 and 16 now. LOSSES do not count!

First of all, your Hoggies got beat by #6 coming out of the chute on Week 2 so they've only BEATEN 2 ranked teams, whoopee! OSU had a convincing win over #2 the same day. Second, they'll have to win over #10 LSU and #4 Florida before they make up for the LOSS.

Craig H.

21st November 2006, 02:34 PM

You really have to look at where teams were (over-rated) at the time of the game AND where they are now.
Michigan:
Notre Dame, #12 in Week 4 and 5 now, 42-21
Wisconsin, Un-Ranked in Week 5 and 8, 27-13
Penn State, UR in Week 8 and 25, 17-10
Ohio State, 1 and 1, 42-39 loss
Average Rank when played is 12 and 12.6 now, LOSSES DO NOT COUNT

Ohio State:
Texas, #2 in week 3 and 13 now, 27-7
Penn State, 24 in week 5 and 25, 28-6
Iowa, 13 in week 6 and UR, 38-17
Michigan, 2 and 2, 42-39
Average Rank when played 10.5 and 13 now, NO losses

Arkansas:
USC, #6 in week 2 and 3 now, got spanked 50-14
Alabama, UR in week 5 and 33, barely won 24-23 in OT
Auburn, 2 in week and 12, 27-10
Tennessee, 13 in week 12 and 20, 31-14
Average Rank when played 7.5 and 16 now. LOSSES do not count!

First of all, your Hoggies got beat by #6 coming out of the chute on Week 2 so they've only BEATEN 2 ranked teams, whoopee! OSU had a convincing win over #2 the same day. Second, they'll have to win over #10 LSU and #4 Florida before they make up for the LOSS.

Yeah, but early-season and pre-season rankings are horse hooey, and any system using them is, similarly, made of horse hooey.

Icy Mountain

21st November 2006, 05:34 PM

Yeah, but early-season and pre-season rankings are horse hooey, and any system using them is, similarly, made of horse hooey.Ohio State beat the team that was ranked #2 and the END of the season! That's why you've got to look at where the teams you beat are ranked NOW! For example, look at the current rankings of the two (ranked) teams that Arkansas has defeated. It is also why I would give Arkansas pretty high marks if they beat LSU and Florida (top ten at the end).

Let's look at it VICTORIES against teams that are ranked TODAY another way:
Michigan has beaten ND (1 loss), Wisconsin (1 loss), and Penn State (3 loss), while taking a loss from an unbeaten OSU.
Arkansas has beaten Auburn (2 loss), Tennessee (3 loss), while taking a loss from USC (1 loss to an UNRANKED Oregon State)
OSU has beaten Michigan (1 loss), Texas (2 loss) and Penn State (3 loss) while remaining unbeaten.

Penn State got losses from Michigan, OSU and Wisconsin (all top ten).
Auburn's other loss came from Georgia (#16).
Tennessee took a losses from Florida and LSU (top ten).
Texas' other loss came from an UNRANKED Kansas State.

I'd rank Michigan over Ohio State on schedule except for the fact that MICHIGAN LOST! Say it with me: "Ohio State is UNDEFEATED!!!

tyker

22nd November 2006, 04:21 AM

The world will have to continue holding it's breath a bit longer.
Farsley Celtic 0 Milton Keynes Dons 0
I'll let you know how the replay goes.

As I continue to plough my lonely furrow I am pleased to report:
Milton Keynes Dons 2 Farsley Celtic 0:applause:
A crushing victory for the Dons who now face the mighty Blackpool in the second round of the FA cup.

The world is a more cheerful place this morning.

Hershal

23rd November 2006, 11:05 PM

Tomorrow, Note Dame should beat USC.....of course it actually COULD be a fight since over the last 5-6 weeks USC has been forced to play 4-quarter football which is a new concept for them.....

Both Arkansas and Florida have to get past their games this weekend, and if either lose they may be out of the championship run because of two losses.....

Regardless of what happens, I would love to see the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and Big East all pull out of the BCS and demand a playoff like II-A and III-A have, using the bowls as the venues.....

Either that, or at least get programmers for the BCS who did not all graduate from Pac-10 schools.....I reach that conclusion because USC is still ranked at #3 when they should be down around 9 or 10.....and they have been overranked for the last few years.....hence because of the obvious bias I figure the programmers are all USC grads.....

Just my thoughts.....

Hershal

Hershal

24th November 2006, 03:50 PM

Perfect scenario......

Corso is at USC/Notre Dame and picks USC, thus assuring their loss.....

Coury Ferguson

27th November 2006, 09:29 AM

Just as expected: USC moved to # 2 spot on the BCS poll. It is now getting interesting.

Craig H.

27th November 2006, 10:46 AM

Just as expected: USC moved to # 2 spot on the BCS poll. It is now getting interesting.

I was hoping that ND would win against them. Now the SEC will again be locked out of the No. 1 spot.

Sure USC beat Arkansas very early, but...

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Icy Mountain

27th November 2006, 10:46 AM

Just as expected: USC moved to # 2 spot on the BCS poll. It is now getting interesting.Yeah, that win over ND pretty much assured that. Beating UCLA will put the last nail in that coffin! USC & Florida are the only teams left that have not posted up my predicted second loss. I watched LSU beat Arkansas and (as predicted) Texas A&M show ut how to play football. I did not realize that Arkansas really doesn't have a passing game. They should have stuck to running the ball on their last possession of the game. Florida ought to be able to handle them in the SEC championship. I'll be perfectly happy to watch the BIG 10 OSU and Michigan show up those wooosies from the PAC-10 (USC) and SEC (Florida) in the bowl games; we don't need a rematch to show what we already know: OSU #1, Michigan, #2.

BradM

27th November 2006, 10:53 AM

I'm not sure about those rankings either. Look at last year. Why was USC ranked #1, and Texas #2? More importantly, why is the Heisman trophy winner picked before the game, instead of after the game? Reggie Bush is awesome, but come on, that performance by Vince Young?

The thread says football (heck, you even let in soccer), so... can I talk about our Dallas Cowboys? They're looking pretty good. It sure is a lot of fun watching Romo play football.

If we do progress into the playoffs, our kicker Vanderjack (sp?) may give us problems. I think he has jinxed himself; I sure wished he would get over it.

It is my contention that Drew Bledsoe was left in that long as quarterback because that is what the owner Boss Hogg Jerry Jones wanted. I base that on a quote I heard from him after the Giants game. For those not intimate with the Cowboys, the owner Jerry Jones is intensely disliked in the area due to how he treated the beloved Tom Laundry when Jerry Jones bought the team. Plus the fact that he can't sit in the plush boxes like all the other owners.

I can't imagine anyone watching Romo in practices would not have at least given him some playing time earlier.

Craig H.

27th November 2006, 11:13 AM

I'll be perfectly happy to watch the BIG 10 OSU and Michigan show up those wooosies from the PAC-10 (USC) and SEC (Florida) in the bowl games; we don't need a rematch to show what we already know: OSU #1, Michigan, #2.

Keep talking, keep talking....

Icy Mountain

27th November 2006, 03:06 PM

Keep talking, keep talking....I know...on any given Saturday..., I've eaten enough crow about football predictions to last a lifetime. It's worth one day of "I-told-you-so" to be able to hype your team for two months!
Additional gloating follows:
BTW, Top ten teams by Conference:
3 Big 10 (Combined record 33-2, losses only to OSU and Michigan)
3 SEC (31-5)
1 PAC 10 (10-1, haha)
1 Big East
1 WAC
1 Independent
0 Big 12 (hahaha)

Mike Smith

27th November 2006, 03:10 PM

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_nchamps_rankings.php

A little information about the rankings of the conferences all time. Actually alot of information. SEC beats out the Big 10.

Icy Mountain

27th November 2006, 03:34 PM

A little information about the rankings of the conferences all time. Actually alot of information. SEC beats out the Big 10.Based on higher win percentages due to a weaker schedule and higher "Big 4 Bowl" points due to a GIANT numerical advantage in getting invites to the Orange and Sugar Bowls. BIG 10, more National Championship points against a tougher schedule (nyah..nyah).:D

Mike Smith

27th November 2006, 03:50 PM

I was going by total points. The big two and little nine (Big 10) is behind the SEC. :yes:

Icy Mountain

27th November 2006, 05:26 PM

I was going by total points. The big two and little nine (Big 10) is behind the SEC. :yes:And the total points include a big honkin' advantage for "Big 4" bowl points. Here's the records:
Big 4 Bowls: Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl

Rose Bowl:
92 games
Big 10
59 Appearances, 29 wins, 30 losses
SEC
8 Appearances, 4 wins, 4 losses

Sugar Bowl
72 Games
Big 10
9 appearances, 2 wins, 7 losses
SEC
65 appearances, 31 wins, 33 losses, 1 tie

Orange Bowl
72 Games
Big 10
9 appearances, 6 wins, 3 losses
SEC
29 appearances, 14 wins, 15 losses

Fiesta Bowl
35 Games
Big 10
12 appearances, 11 wins, 1 loss
SEC
6 appearances, 2 wins, 4 losses

Overall
Big 10
89 appearances, 48 wins, 41 losses
SEC
108 appearances, 51 wins, 56 losses, 1 tie

Sure, you can assign "bowl points" for just showing up at bowl games that traditionally pit an SEC champion against some pre-selected pansy (Sugar Bowl). You see what happens when they have to go play the Big 8 Champion (Orange Bowl) or a game pitting allegedly matched opponents (Fiesta Bowl). The won-loss record speaks for itself. When the Big 10 Champion plays a real opponent in a bowl game (the PAC 10 Champion, Rose Bowl 1947-2001) it's even money. When the SEC champion plays a hand-picked opponent (Sugar Bowl 1950-1997) it is also even money.

Craig H.

27th November 2006, 05:46 PM

And the total points include a big honkin' advantage for "Big 4" bowl points. Here's the records:
Big 4 Bowls: Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl

Rose Bowl:
92 games
Big 10
59 Appearances, 29 wins, 30 losses
SEC
8 Appearances, 4 wins, 4 losses

Sugar Bowl
72 Games
Big 10
9 appearances, 2 wins, 7 losses
SEC
65 appearances, 31 wins, 33 losses, 1 tie

Orange Bowl
72 Games
Big 10
9 appearances, 6 wins, 3 losses
SEC
29 appearances, 14 wins, 15 losses

Fiesta Bowl
35 Games
Big 10
12 appearances, 11 wins, 1 loss
SEC
6 appearances, 2 wins, 4 losses

Overall
Big 10
89 appearances, 48 wins, 41 losses
SEC
108 appearances, 51 wins, 56 losses, 1 tie

Sure, you can assign "bowl points" for just showing up at bowl games that traditionally pit an SEC champion against some pre-selected pansy (Sugar Bowl). You see what happens when they have to go play the Big 8 Champion (Orange Bowl) or a game pitting allegedly matched opponents (Fiesta Bowl). The won-loss record speaks for itself. When the Big 10 Champion plays a real opponent in a bowl game (the PAC 10 Champion, Rose Bowl 1947-2001) it's even money. When the SEC champion plays a hand-picked opponent (Sugar Bowl 1950-1997) it is also even money.

Keep talking, keep talking...

Hershal

28th November 2006, 12:00 AM

I sit here just outside Seattle watching football on TV thinking it is like watching Green Bay at home.....and watching the snow outside the hotel window.....

And wonder why - aside from an obvious bias - could USC be ranked #2? I know they are but.....

NCAA records from 2000 through 2004 broken down by year, show the top 10 toughest schedules according to NCAA. USC is in the top 10 in 2002.....thats it, one year.....Florida, Alabama, and Arkansas are all in the top 10 toughest schedules 3 of the 5 years.....

USC beat how many teams this year that were ranked in the top 10 when they played USC? Not many.....

Florida on the other hand beat at least two that were in the top ten at time of play, and two more that were in the top 20 I believe.....

Florida's one loss was to a top 10 ranked team.....USC's one loss was to an UNRANKED team.....

So what is the possible justification for USC to even be in the top 5, much less ahead of Florida or Michigan? Certainly not in the schedule or on the field.....

Anyone know?

Hershal

Laura M

28th November 2006, 12:53 AM

All I know is that snow is heading my way! I thought the game was in GB when I first tuned in! Thought for sure Seattle had a dome!

I agree with your analysis. Michigan played OSU tight. I was rooting for ND vs. USC just to shake up the system. Michigan crushed ND. USC lost to an unranked team. It puts Mich at #2 IMO. The only opinion I heard contrary was "In order to be in the championship game, you must first win your conference." I guess that makes sense. Just too bad the 2 best teams are in the same conference.

You know, the year my son's HS soccer team lost in the state qualifier, the team they lost to went on to be the state champs. Unfortunately, the way the system was set up, our region was very strong- we all knew that watching that game was the state championship. The winner of that game cruised to the finals. So it's all in the system.

BradM

28th November 2006, 12:56 AM

Given the icy reception to my previous post:lol: , obviously there are no Cowboy fans out there. (well for that matter, no Longhorn fans either:confused: ). After their dismal playing lately, I'm not sure if it's wise to bring up the Longhorns.

Anyway, FoxSports is reporting that Cowboy released Vanderjagt and will sign Gramatica. Not sure if it was his performance, his Manning comments, relationship with Parcells, or a brewing combination of all of them. Could be... Boss Hogg just wants to win!

BradM

28th November 2006, 12:59 AM

You know, the year my son's HS soccer team lost in the state qualifier, the team they lost to went on to be the state champs.

Oh man, soccer! My first year as a soccer parent! Ten year old girl. Man, I don't know if it's due to sitting right on the field or what, but you get sucked into it soo quickly. Lot's of fun. My poor little girl, she tried hard, but she just don't have speed. I'm so proud of her, though.

Laura M

28th November 2006, 01:22 AM

C'mon - I'm a Yankee (not a NY yankee fan) just a northerner that posted earlier that my son is a student at UT. Isn't that worth something? Plus I was a born/raised Buckeye. Can't turn my blood burnt orange like the rest of you, even tho my son is a student there. I suppose red is still a good color for blood. He went there on a whim - big time school, good program, but is starting to realize the value of college. He is in a great program, enjoying the venue with some screwed up profs. UT football needs to rebuild, but they will be back with some more athletes that never graduate (ouch). My sons take on that is 'how can they get a free ride and screw it up' - interesting - the ones that don't make it to pro will be delivering your next pizza. So he's into the whole football frenzy, but is getting a perspective on it as a real student there.

Laura M

28th November 2006, 01:36 AM

Oh man, soccer! My first year as a soccer parent! Ten year old girl. Man, I don't know if it's due to sitting right on the field or what, but you get sucked into it soo quickly. Lot's of fun. My poor little girl, she tried hard, but she just don't have speed. I'm so proud of her, though.

Yep - we knew it at the time - the same way Michigan did. Stinks to be #2 and not play in the finals.

As far as being a 10 year old - soccer parents get wacky. Decide young what matters. Where are u in Texas? It is interesting to me that soccer is making a run in Texas. With football being so big. But it may be the thing for girls. I think a lot of pressure is put on young athletes and perspective is important. Our area is strong in soccer, but I've seen a lot of good teams get screwed up by parents that are are more interested in promoting their kid (who ends up at a community college) than in the best interest of the club or school team. The kids stand a better chance at a HS memory and being 'on the team' than a personal post HS future. IMO - don't want to derail the thread.

Hershal

28th November 2006, 09:58 PM

Dale D. Barnes

29th November 2006, 08:17 AM

Arkansas did not have a passing game during the LSU game. We never have a superb passing game but our quarterback was having a horrible day. He couldn't hand the ball off without letting the defense know where it was going much less pass the ball. I don't understand the coaches leaving him in the game as bad as he was playing on Friday but he will be back this Saturday. We will end the season on a good note by beating Florida. We could have beat LSU if it wasn't for some poor coaching decisions but OH WELL like I said we got Florida this weekend. That loss puts us out of the National hunt but we can still get a really good bowl game.

If the BCS can leave an undefeated SEC team out of the National Championship a few years ago it will surely leave out Michigan and bring in its money child USC.

BradM

29th November 2006, 11:35 AM

Yea, my high school and college did not have a very good football teams, so I had to focus mainly on professional. Plus, Cowboys are America's Team!

Not sure which one is the best: A High School or college football game.

I love watching college football, but do wonder about the ranking system.

Hershal

29th November 2006, 09:58 PM

Actually, the most fun is Pee Wee or Pop Warner.....THAT is fun football!

The next best is Arena.....very fast!

Hershal

tyker

4th December 2006, 04:57 AM

As I continue to plough my lonely furrow I am pleased to report:
Milton Keynes Dons 2 Farsley Celtic 0:applause:
A crushing victory for the Dons who now face the mighty Blackpool in the second round of the FA cup.

The world is a more cheerful place this morning.

Alas and alack. I have to report:
Milton Keynes Dons 0 Blackpool 2 :mg:
No more cup action here this season.
Winter looms.
I may have lost the will to live.

Icy Mountain

4th December 2006, 12:31 PM

Sure, you can assign "bowl points" for just showing up at bowl games that traditionally pit an SEC champion against some pre-selected pansy (Sugar Bowl).So Craig, this year's example:
Championship: OSU #1 vs. Florida #2 (-1 rank difference)
Fox Sports Early Prediction: Ohio State 27 ... Florida 17
Rose Bowl: Michigan #3 vs. USC #5 (-2 rank difference)
Fox Sports Early Prediction: Michigan 24 ... USC 20
Sugar Bowl: LSU #4 vs. guess who? #6 Louisville, #7 Wisconsin, or even #8 Boise State? Nah, Notre Dame #11 (-7 rank difference), who, by the way, has already lost by 26 points and 20 points to top 10 opponents this year.
Fox Sports Early Prediction: LSU 38 ... Notre Dame 20

I am glad that the human vote picked Ohio State's opponent. Looks like the computers were dead even on Michigan and Florida. Looks like Ohio State will have to beat the #2 team in the nation for the 3rd time this season. Let the pre-game festivities begin!

Craig H.

4th December 2006, 04:34 PM

So Craig, this year's example:
Championship: OSU #1 vs. Florida #2 (-1 rank difference)
Fox Sports Early Prediction: Ohio State 27 ... Florida 17
Rose Bowl: Michigan #3 vs. USC #5 (-2 rank difference)
Fox Sports Early Prediction: Michigan 24 ... USC 20
Sugar Bowl: LSU #4 vs. guess who? #6 Louisville, #7 Wisconsin, or even #8 Boise State? Nah, Notre Dame #11 (-7 rank difference), who, by the way, has already lost by 26 points and 20 points to top 10 opponents this year.
Fox Sports Early Prediction: LSU 38 ... Notre Dame 20

I am glad that the human vote picked Ohio State's opponent. Looks like the computers were dead even on Michigan and Florida. Looks like Ohio State will have to beat the #2 team in the nation for the 3rd time this season. Let the pre-game festivities begin!

So I don't have to "keep talking", let me just say that I am quite surprised (and pleased) that things have worked out like this, though it is a really messy system.

As much as it hurts me to say this, Go Gat..., uh, GO Flor... (choke, gasp, wheeze).

GO SEC Champs!!!

Hershal

5th December 2006, 11:27 PM

As much as it hurts me to say this, Go Gat..., uh, GO Flor... (choke, gasp, wheeze).

GO SEC Champs!!!

I'll help you.....

GO GATORS!!!! :agree1:

Hershal

Icy Mountain

6th December 2006, 03:03 PM

It looks like Ohio State could be in trouble against Florida in the National Championship.
Apparently they are 4-9-1 against teams from the SEC.:mg:
1895 vs. Kentucky, won 8-6
1931 vs. Vanderbilt, lost 26-21
1933 vs. Vanderbilt, won 75-0 (they must have been mad about 1931)
1935 vs. Kentucky, won 19-6 (payback for 1933, let's not play them any more)
1977 #3 Alabama vs. #9 OSU in the Sugar Bowl, lost 35-6
1986 #5 Alabama vs. #9 OSU in the Kickoff Classic, lost 16-10
1987 #4 LSU vs. #7 OSU, tied 13-13
1988 #7 LSU vs. unranked OSU, won 36-33 (ticked off about 1987 no doubt)
1989 #9 Auburn vs. #21 OSU in the Hall of Fame Bowl, lost 31-14
1992 #8 Georgia vs. #15 OSU in the Citrus Bowl, lost 21-14
1994 #6 Alabama vs. #13 OSU in the Citrus Bowl, lost 24-17
1995 #4 Tennessee vs. #4 OSU in the Citrus Bowl, lost 20-14
2000 unranked South Carolina vs. #18 OSU in the Outback Bowl, lost 24-7
2001 #14 South Carolina vs #23 OSU in the Outback Bowl, lost 31-28 (Jim Tressel's only bowl loss)

Of course, OSU has only been ranked above its SEC opponent going in to the game 1 time in the 10 games since 1977 (see previous comments about SEC bowl padding). I'd say it's payback time!:cfingers:

Craig H.

6th December 2006, 03:08 PM

I'd say it's payback time!:cfingers:

Keep talking, keep talking...

Bill Pflanz

6th December 2006, 04:13 PM

It looks like Ohio State could be in trouble against Florida in the National Championship.
Apparently they are 4-9-1 against teams from the SEC.:mg:
1895 vs. Kentucky, won 8-6

You are probably right. This game in particular is probably enough evidence for your hypothesis. :biglaugh:

Bill Pflanz

Icy Mountain

6th December 2006, 06:21 PM

Keep talking, keep talking...:nopity:

On the other hand, Florida has a 4-3 record vs. the Big 10.

1962: Penn State (Gator) W 17-7
1983: Iowa (Gator) W 14-6
1988: Illinois (All-American) W 14-10
1998: Penn State (Citrus) W 21-6
2000: Michigan State (Citrus) L 37-34
2003: Michigan (Outback) L 38-30
2004: Iowa (Outback) L 37-17

However, their overall bowl record is 14-19 starting with a 14-13 win over Tulsa in the 1952 Gator Bowl but they are 1-3 in their last 4 outings ('01, '02, '03, & '04 Seasons).

The Ohio State University Buckeyes are 18-19 in bowl games starting with a 28-0 loss to California in the 1920 Rose Bowl but they are 4-0 in their last 4 outings (02, '03, 04, & '05 Seasons) including that NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in 2002.:argue:

Icy Mountain

18th December 2006, 12:08 PM

Left to right, label these images A, B, C and D. Then you have a simple algebraic equation that describes what is going to happen on January 8, 2007:
A + B + C = D. The long form version goes like this:
Troy Smith Offense + James Laurinaitis (a.k.a. Animal Junior) Defense + Heisman Trophy Winner= Dead Gator

Hershal

19th December 2006, 10:34 PM

BradM

20th December 2006, 12:17 AM

BradM

20th December 2006, 12:19 AM

After New Orleans put a 'whoopin' on Cowboys.. anything goes this year. There should be some good NFL playoff games this year.

Hershal

20th December 2006, 12:58 AM

Lot's of talk here... :argue:

how bout you college football nuts putting your money where your mouth is...:rolleyes:

The loser has to sing the other school's song and post it; for all to hear.:notme:
:notme: :notme:

Just a thought...unless you're chicken?

If I had even a clue about their song, I would seriously consider that bet.....on the other hand, I sing so bad, my CAR tells me to shut up! :lmao:

Hershal

Hershal

27th December 2006, 08:45 PM

Some other interesting bowl match-ups to watch:

FSU/UCLA.....both teams are fast, but UCLA may have been playing much better toward the end of the season.....

Notre Dame/LSU.....Notre Dame is good, but LSU should eat them alive.....

GO GATORS!!!!

Hershal

Hershal

5th January 2007, 12:09 AM

Did anyone see the Boise State/Oklahoma game? That was one of the best games I have EVER seen!

Laura M

5th January 2007, 12:17 AM

So I've heard. I fell asleep, but my son did watch it and filled us in in the AM.

Sounds like a classic. I did see the 'statue of liberty' play on re-run and how about the 'WV offensive line doesn't move' play. That was fun!

Icy Mountain

9th January 2007, 08:58 AM

Craig H.

9th January 2007, 09:11 AM

Craig et. al,
Here's me preparing for breakfast:

Even though I didn't take the bet, that was a serious whoopin' that the Gators laid on the Buckeyes last night...

So give a cheer for the orange and blue
Waving Forever
Forever Pride of old Florida
May She droop never
We'll sing a song for the flag today
Cheer for the team at play
On to the goal we'll fight our way
For Florida.

Go Gators! They definitely had the Buckeyes number across the board.

Icy, I have to admit that since late last night I have been dreaming up all kinds of smart a** things to say, but to answer your post with such would be poor sportsmanship to the extreme.

It appeared to be a clean, well-fought match, and neither team has anything to hang their head about. With the exception of a few ball spots (going both ways and in the end did not matter) the officiating was very good as well.

I hope everyone enjoyed the game as much as I did.

As far as the GA Bulldogs go, well, wait 'till next year (you heard it here first).

:agree1:

Icy Mountain

9th January 2007, 11:46 AM

Craig,
You are a better man than I, sir. Had the situation been reversed I am fairly certain that I would have gloated horribly. Urban prepared his team well and showed up with a footloose style of "street" football that totally mystified the Buckeyes defense. After the opening return, I figured this game was in the bag and I think the rest of the team did, too. It appeared they went home about 16 seconds into the 1st quarter. The Gators played the entire game.

Craig H.

9th January 2007, 12:11 PM

Thanks, Icy!

I was impressed with Ohio's kickoff returns all game. Their wall of blockers was excellent, and they were close to breaking other runbacks loose after the first one. It was very deep into the fourth quarter before I thought the game had been won.

About 15 seconds into the game I thought the Gators might be in for a long night.

Their style of play is baffling, and fun to watch if your team is not on the receiving end of such shenanigans. GA is going to play them again in 10 months or so...

Icy Mountain

9th January 2007, 01:01 PM

Coach Tressel is famous for making halftime defensive adjustments that totally shut the opponent down while opening up the offense and posting big numbers.
While he did make defensive adjustments (34 Gator points 1st half vs. 7 in the 2nd), the offense was completely stuffed all night. I think that even Florida fans have to be amazed that the Gators held the Bucks to 82 total yards while posting 370 of their own. Troy Smith 4 for 14, 35 yards, 0 TDS and 1 interception? Unheard of! The box score bears witness to the domination. http://www.bcsfootball.org/cfb/boxscore?gameId=200701080033

David Bear

9th January 2007, 02:43 PM

Any there any comments about the Big East being underrated? I didn't see any other conferences going 5-0 in Bowl games.:agree1:

ralphsulser

9th January 2007, 04:09 PM

Icy Mountain

9th January 2007, 05:35 PM

Any there any comments about the Big East being underrated? I didn't see any other conferences going 5-0 in Bowl games.:agree1:Oh, don't get me started;)
I will say this: The Ohio State and Michigan teams that showed up in the Horseshoe to play each other for the Big Ten Championship were not the same teams that showed up to play USC and Florida. I won't grumble that the final outcome would have been different but the games would have been a lot closer, more competitive, and more fun to watch (at least for OSU and Michigan fans).

Dan Armstrong

9th January 2007, 05:43 PM

David Bear

9th January 2007, 06:11 PM

The Big East won 82% of its nonconference games, won all of its bowl games against the elite competition, yet is still ranked lower. Louisville actually dropped in the AP poll after winning the Orange Bowl.

Icy Mountain

9th January 2007, 06:21 PM

I don't know about the Big East being underrated, but I believe there is a lot of media bias towards conferences in higher populated areas. In other words, I don't think that the Big Ten and others are quite as good as the media hypes them up to be.
The Big East won 82% of its nonconference games, won all of its bowl games against the elite competition, yet is still ranked lower. Louisville actually dropped in the AP poll after winning the Orange Bowl.
You are both correct. Unfortunately, without a seeded playoff system, the bowl "selection" process will continue to prevent teams like Louisville and West Virginia from getting a chance to prove it in an unbiased system. Media follow money; hyping Ohio State because it has one of the largest enrollments in the US and is located in the capital city of Ohio just makes cents (and dollars).

Hershal

10th January 2007, 03:44 PM

Icy Mountain

11th January 2007, 12:13 PM

You are welcome. It's awfully sweet to have the confetti rain down on your team and get to see them stand up on that stage in the middle of the field and hold up the crystal football. Enjoy every bit of it because those moments are very rare. As for us Buckeye fans, we must console ourselves with a 12-1 season, a Heisman Trophy winner, a Big Ten Championship, beating Michigan, playing (sort of) in the National Championship, and being the #2 team in the US.

P.S. - We will also quietly start the subversive discussion about how the Boise State Broncos are the "real" National Champions since they are the only undefeated team to win a BCS bowl.:notme:

Craig H.

11th January 2007, 12:17 PM

P.S. - We will also quietly start the subversive discussion about how the Boise State Broncos are the "real" National Champions since they are the only undefeated team to win a BCS bowl.:notme:

Was that P.S or B.S.?

qualityboi

11th January 2007, 12:30 PM

I will take that as a P.S. especially since I currently am attending Boise State. That aside being an Auditor I choose to look at results and statistics is there really more that needs to be said about some type of playoffs need to be implemented. I think there may be some truth that the big colleges trying to hoard the money and accolaides thank goodness for BSU!
...and yes I think it was indeed one of the best games I have ever seen, the pure composure of the underdog while all thought the game was lost and the come back will always be a cited event in sports history. Lessons learned, there is such a thing as too big of an offensive line...

Craig H.

11th January 2007, 12:44 PM

Sure, the trick plays were great, the game was fun to watch, and its good to see an underdog win. Like Florida did.

I agree that the present "system" needs some serious work, but while there is big $ to be made with the present "system" I don't see it happening.

Scott Catron

11th January 2007, 01:19 PM

As for us Buckeye fans, we must console ourselves with a 12-1 season, a Heisman Trophy winner

Was there a Heisman Trophy winner on the field? This was the only OSU game I've seen this year and I could not believe the way Troy Smith played. He sure didn't look like the best football player on his team, let alone the country.

And the big eleven needs to change their scheduling so that every team in the conference plays every other team EACH YEAR.

The Badgers got hosed this year.

Scott
Wisconsin native

Icy Mountain

11th January 2007, 01:24 PM

Was that P.S or B.S.?:lmao: Gotcha!
The current system will change in a heartbeat when someone shows the Bowl Committees, the television broadcasters, the television advertisers, the college presidents, the athletic directors, and the coaches how they can all make twice as much money by doing it another way. The perfect example is this year's "extra" National Championship game whereas before the championship was one of the big four bowl games. Now, the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl and Fiesta Bowl get an additional money making venture every 4 years (5 games every 4 years instead of 4 with the resulting 25% increase in revenue. In addition, everyone else gets a 20-25% bump because there are 10 teams in BCS bowls instead of 8 (two more teams get paid) and the TV guys have 20 HUGE games to hype every four years instead of only 16.

Create a system where every single conference gets a BCS payday to spread around while putting even more money in the hands of SEC/Big12/BigTen/PAC10/ACC juggernauts and you'll be rich!:2cents:

Icy Mountain

11th January 2007, 01:33 PM

Was there a Heisman Trophy winner on the field? This was the only OSU game I've seen this year and I could not believe the way Troy Smith played. He sure didn't look like the best football player on his team, let alone the country.In Troy's defense, and he thanked his O-Line name by name when he got the trophy, quarterbacks don't perform well when the rest of the offense is letting the D into backfield clean on every other play. Unfair to lay this loss on Troy's shoulders alone, where were Antonio Pittman and Chris Wells? They combined for 150+ yards and 2 TDs per game in the first 12
And the big eleven needs to change their scheduling so that every team in the conference plays every other team EACH YEAR. The Badgers got hosed this year.AMEN! OSU starts the season with Youngstown State next year. You can't tell me they couldn't kick a couple of sure wins off this year's schedule in order to play Purdue and Wisconsin.

Jim Wynne

22nd January 2007, 10:06 AM

This morning I'm savoring the glorious victory of Da Bears over the hopelessly overmatched New Orleans Saints in the NFC championship game. It's on to to Miami!!

Aaron Lupo

22nd January 2007, 01:24 PM

This morning I'm savoring the glorious victory of Da Bears over the hopelessly overmatched New Orleans Saints in the NFC championship game. It's on to to Miami!!

Where we hope to see Manning win his SuperBowl!

Craig H.

22nd January 2007, 02:13 PM

Where we hope to see Manning win his SuperBowl!

And I hope to see pigs fly.

Bigfoot

22nd January 2007, 02:25 PM

This morning I'm savoring the glorious victory of Da Bears over the hopelessly overmatched New Orleans Saints in the NFC championship game. It's on to to Miami!!

Jim,
While we all congratulate Da Bears on their marvelous victory, we must also congratulate the COLTS for theirs while providing us with a highly entertaining game.

Re: Football! (OK, we will even let soccer come in) - Fall 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wynne

This morning I'm savoring the glorious victory of Da Bears over the hopelessly overmatched New Orleans Saints in the NFC championship game. It's on to to Miami!!

Where we hope to see Manning win his SuperBowl!

Aaron thank you for your sentiments.

The real quandry is who to root for? Anyone want to make some predictions?

Jim Wynne

22nd January 2007, 04:29 PM

COLTS???

http://elsmar.com/jpg/todd20oconnor1dd.jpg

ddunn

22nd January 2007, 05:23 PM

The last time the Colts were in the Super Bowl was Super Bowl V.

Super Bowl V
Baltimore 16, Dallas 13

Orange Bowl
Miami, Florida
January 17, 1971

Go COLTS

jeffrey_Chang

22nd January 2007, 08:43 PM

Well,
I'm no football fan but will hijack the thread to post the updates on the EPL.

:lol: ARSENAL 2 : MAN U 1:lol:

:nope: LIVERPOOL 2 : CHELSEA 0:nope:

Go go gunners go..............

Dimitri

26th February 2007, 11:23 AM

They play football in Canada???:lmao:

There are differences with the CFL and NFL (had to look it up got no idea what the NFL's rules are they are confusing to me) these are the basics.

Feild size is larger at 150 yards in the CFL then the 120 yards in the NFL,
1 time out per team per half of the game in the CFL as compared to the 3 to 4 in the NFL,
Ball down to start of play is 20 seconds in the CFL as compared to the 30 seconds in the NFL.
The clock doesnt get stopped as much in CFL (only for incomplete passes or players running out of bounds) as in the NFL,
20 minute over time blocks for a team to get ahead in points (and they keep adding 20 minute blocks till there is a winner) in the CFL as compared to the "next score wins" method of the NFL.
3 downs in CFL, 4 in NFL.
12 players in CFL and 11 in NFL.
Offencive back has unlimited motion in CFL unlike the single player in NFL

Personally I find watching CFL funner to watch then the NFL, but that can also be because I know the CFL better and have played with their rules (non-professional or anything just for fun with friends etc) not the NFL's rules. :D

By the way playing in colder weather in the middle of winter on a field that has 6" of snow ontop of a layer of ice can be fun, I suggest you try it sometime. Makes for interesting tackles. ;)

Dimitri


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