Is there a difference in Fool proofing, Error proofing, Mistake proofing ?

SATHIS

Yes!

Fool proofing is disrespectful and you shouldn't use the terminology!:nope:

Some people will tell you that mistake proofing happen after a problem has happened. Error proofing happens before any problems occur.:agree1:

Andy

I pretty much agree the only difference is "tone of voice." One of the main complaints about the Japanese term "Poka Yoke" is that it is an inelegant phrase roughly comparable to English "idiot proofing."

My personal preference is for the term "mistake proofing" regardless if it happens in the design phase (during FMEA - Failure mode & effects analysis) or as a corrective action to prevent discrepancies noted in actual production.

i believe "idiot proofing" is "baka yoke" is japanese, "baka" being a deregatory word. That is the term is changed to "poka" which means mistake.

i believe "idiot proofing" is "baka yoke" is japanese, "baka" being a deregatory word. That is the term is changed to "poka" which means mistake.


I see i have a lot of type errors in here, my keyboard is not "mistake-proofed". :-)

Is there a difference in Fool proofing,Error proofing, Mistake proofing ?

SATHIS

From Shigeo Shingo's book on Poka Yoke:

Poka Yoke roughly translates as mistake proofing and is typically applied to the PROCESS to prevent the cause of the mistake, shut the process down if the mistake occurs, or trigger an alarm if the mistake occurs. This was originally called Misu Yoke, or fool proofing, but was quickly changed, when Japanese sensibilities were offended by the term fool (anyone can make a mistake).

Shingo uses the term Error Proofing to refer to actions applied to the DESIGN to prevent errors from occurring. This could include the addition of design features to prevent misassembly defects such as reversed, upside-down, etc. This could include making the part asymetrical so it can only be assembled one way, or making it perfectly symetrical so it does not matter how it is assembled.

Yes!
Fool proofing is disrespectful and you shouldn't use the terminology!:nope:
Andy

Could this be a British interpretation? The term is common in the US, and the "fool" part of it isn't considered synonymous with "idiot"; it's "fool" in its intransitive verb sense of being taken in by some sort of trickery or unexpected circumstances.

Is there a difference in Fool proofing,Error proofing, Mistake proofing ?

SATHIS

To answer your question succincly: There is really no difference, it is just a matter of semantics. It depends on the person using the terminology, but for the most part the intent is the same no matter what verbiage is used.

But as others have pointed out, the more politically correct would be Error proofing or Mistake proofing.

Tomato Toma'to, Potato Pota'to!

i thnk this is the waste of time by questioning & answering such type of questions.Administrator must do some type of fool proofing so that such questions will be avoided & we can concentrate more on serious questions.

i thnk this is the waste of time by questioning & answering such type of questions.Administrator must do some type of fool proofing so that such questions will be avoided & we can concentrate more on serious questions.

We must be equally fair in answering all question from cover's who need our assistance or advise. When questions may seem easy or a "watste of time" to you may in fact be a serious question to someone else who may be new to a position or a student that needs the question answered.

No question here in the cove is a waste of time by far.

We must be equally fair in answering all question from cover's who need our assistance or advise. When questions may seem easy or a "watste of time" to you may in fact be a serious question to someone else who may be new to a position or a student that needs the question answered.

No question here in the cove is a waste of time by far.

Yes, and even this seemingly simple question has been open to some interpretation. How can we communicate if we don't realize that there may be subtle differences in the meanings of certain terms?

Learning how others look at things is a way of fool-proofing communications efforts.