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View Full Version : This Just In: Santa Can't Drink Beer in Maine


Jim Wynne
2nd December 2006, 02:24 PM
From Red Orbit (http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/752266/ho_ho_ho_state_says_no_to_santa_label/index.html?source=r_oddities#):
Ho? Ho? Ho? State Says No to Santa Label
By CLARKE CANFIELD
PORTLAND, Maine - A beer distributor says Maine is being a Scrooge by barring it from selling a beer with a label depicting Santa Claus enjoying a pint of brew.
In a complaint filed in federal court, Shelton Brothers accuses the Maine Bureau of Liquor Enforcement of censorship for denying applications for labels for Santa's Butt Winter Porter and two other beers it wants to sell in Maine.
The dispute recalls a similar squabble last year when Connecticut told Shelton Brothers it had problems with its Seriously Bad Elf ale.
"Last year it was elves. This year it's Santa. Maybe next year it'll be reindeer," said Daniel Shelton, owner of the company in Belchertown, Mass.
The lawsuit, filed Thursday, contends the state's action violates the First Amendment by censoring artistic expression.
But the state says it's within its rights. The label with Santa might appeal to children, said Maine State Police Lt. Patrick Fleming. The other two labels are considered inappropriate because they show bare-breasted women.
"We stand by our decision and at some point it'll go through the court system and somebody will make the decision on whether we are right or wrong," he said.
The lawsuit was brought by the Maine Civil Liberties Union, which says the beer labels are entitled to First Amendment protection.
"There is no good reason for the state to censor art, even art found on a beer label," said Zachary Heiden, staff attorney for the MCLU.
The label for the English-made Santa's Butt Winter Porter features a rear view of a beer-drinking Santa Claus sitting atop a barrel. The beer's name refers not only to Santa's ample backside, but also to the barrel. In England, brewers once used a large barrel called a "butt" to store beer.
Maine also denied label applications for Les Sans Culottes, a French ale, and Rose de Gambrinus, a Belgian fruit beer.
Les Sans Culottes' label is illustrated with detail from Eugene Delacroix's 1830 painting "Liberty Leading the People," which hangs in the Louvre and once appeared on the 100-franc bill. Rose de Gambrinus shows a bare-breasted woman in a watercolor painting commissioned by the brewery.
In a letter to Shelton Brothers, the state denied the applications for the labels because they contained "undignified or improper illustration."
The state reviews between 10,000 and 12,000 applications a year for beer and wine labels. It typically denies about a dozen a year because they contain inappropriate language or nudity, or might appeal to children, Fleming said.
"Basically, the standard we use is what are people going to see walking up and down a store aisle," he said.
Shelton said his company filed a lawsuit against the New York State Liquor Authority last month after it denied his applications for six holiday-themed beer labels, including Santa's Butt Winter Porter. The state changed its mind but the lawsuit is going forward, he said.
In years past, the company has had labels challenged in a few states, including Ohio, North Carolina and Missouri, he said.
States have the power to regulate alcohol through the 21st Amendment, which repealed Prohibition in 1933. "But I don't know where they get the idea they can ignore the rest of the Constitution," Shelton said.

Marc
2nd December 2006, 04:05 PM
You forgot the label...

Gert Sorensen
3rd December 2006, 10:09 AM
They could definitely get that on the market in Denmark. Luckily we are a bit more broadminded here :D

Duke Okes
3rd December 2006, 12:32 PM
If the company is really creative they should be able to come up with many ideas. Like it or not, there is a need for boundaries, and institutions have responsibility for interpreting/enforcing them. Amazing how much energy people/organizations put into trying to tweak the system instead of using their minds/time to come up with more viable ideas.

Jim Wynne
3rd December 2006, 12:45 PM
If the company is really creative they should be able to come up with many ideas. Like it or not, there is a need for boundaries, and institutions have responsibility for interpreting/enforcing them.
There is also much disagreement as to the placement of the boundaries, and the need for enforcement. This doesn't approach crying "FIRE" in a crowded theater, imo. Santa, as usually depicted, is morbidly obese, but we encourage children to leave fattening foods out for him. Perhaps we should regulate that, too.
Amazing how much energy people/organizations put into trying to tweak the system instead of using their minds/time to come up with more viable ideas.

Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how much free publicity (http://news.google.com/news?q=santa%27s%20butt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wn) this has generated?

Wes Bucey
3rd December 2006, 01:49 PM
Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how much free publicity (http://news.google.com/news?q=santa%27s%20butt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wn) this has generated?Yep! Now they need to have it banned in Boston and have Oprah give a free six pack to everyone in her studio audience and it will outsell Budweiser!

SteelMaiden
3rd December 2006, 03:23 PM
Wow, I'm still trying to figure out how I grew up to be a fine outstanding memeber of the community with all the things that I had to endure in my childhood that could have led me astray....:notme:

Duke Okes
4th December 2006, 05:40 PM
Ok, so the majority votes yes. Shift the boundary. Here's the next one.

http://www.local6.com/news/10439600/detail.html

Jim Wynne
4th December 2006, 06:45 PM
Ok, so the majority votes yes. Shift the boundary. Here's the next one.

http://www.local6.com/news/10439600/detail.html

Spencer's has always sold racy stuff (http://www.spencersonline.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.browse/categoryID/81b5cfdf-4933-47fe-99c3-b0c67c5cac55/), and their are periodic local complaints. It's poor taste, that's for sure, but I don't think poor taste is illegal. I'm sort of on the fence on this one.

Wes Bucey
4th December 2006, 07:08 PM
The best way to deal with this used to be "vote with your wallet" and refuse to buy ANYTHING from such store if you were offended. Alas, there are enough churls who will patronize such a store that other stores will envy the culprit.

I have "personal vendettas" against at least one store chain and I refuse to patronize them in any way. I was heartened recently to see that chain's "same store sales" are down this year.

May I suggest a boycott of any mall that contains stores selling what you consider "objectionable" material. It will be inconvenient for you, but at least you will have the courage of your conviction.

I am a product of the "Chicago School of Economics" championed by Milton Friedman and firmly believe only market forces will remove a product or its seller from the marketplace.

Should anyone give me such a product, my response will be to return it to the giver with the comment, "I appreciate your effort, but I just couldn't accept this gift!" repeated mutiple times wihout further comment.

Icy Mountain
5th December 2006, 05:13 PM
I recall that Ohio has banned Bad Frog Beer due to its "offensive" label:

That's OK though, we buy in Kentucky where the morals aren't quite as strict.:notme: