:bigwave: Dear Marc.

Why do not you create a dynamic Ranking Thanked received list?

In order to see the ranking of Top gun Quality Gurus.


i.e:

Ranking Name. Thanked

xx Javier Rubio 124

Regards

Respectfully, the Deminguite in me shrinks from ranking by thanks. While the idea is an earnest one, I feel the thanks may appear arbitrarily in accordance with, among other things:

1. The poster's time and resource constraints to posting in depth and with research.

2. Writing ability and communication methods that are appreciated in variation although the knowledge behind the comments is profound.

3. Different readers' inclination to toss the little bone of thanks to different subjects. Some more, some less. That doesn't measure value.

4. Was the message even read by the person who needs it most? We don't know.

I do check my thanks and even allow it to help me know what types of comments are best received.

I've never been a good candidate for a beauty contest, either physically or intellectually, and I was always picked last for ball games. Here, however, I feel valued. No need to rank my thanks for further proof. :2cents:

I agree with Jennifer's post, and would submit that personally I like the Cove since it is a cooperative effort :agree: , rather than a competetive effort.

Interestingly, Christopher Paris has an email on the ASQ discussion boards complaining about the use of the word "guru". http://www.asq.org/discussionBoards/thread.jspa?forumID=14&threadID=3574&messageID=67007#67007 (it's in a members only board). His point is "guru" is more of a religious term.

I'd rather avoid the "me for number 1" game.

I agree with Jennifer's post, and would submit that personally I like the Cove since it is a cooperative effort:agree: , rather than a competetive effort.

:agree1: As David Letterman says, "This is an exhibition, not a competition, so please--no wagering."

Interestingly, Christopher Paris has an email on the ASQ discussion boards complaining about the use of the word "guru"... His point is "guru" is more of a religious term.

Pffft. He might have a point if we suddenly started referring to Deming and Juran as "rabbis," but I don't think there's much danger of anyone thinking that Phil Crosby is a Hindu spiritual teacher.

Interestingly, Christopher Paris has an email on the ASQ discussion boards complaining about the use of the word "guru". http://www.asq.org/discussionBoards/thread.jspa?forumID=14&threadID=3574&messageID=67007#67007 (it's in a members only board). His point is "guru" is more of a religious term.


:rolleyes: last I checked "guru" was about as secular in common English usage as the word "cross".

I guess he'd have us not crossing out our mistakes or being cross with litigious nitpickers.

Juran, Deming, and a few others are Gurus of quality dy definition

http://www.answers.com/topic/guru

Asq, has lost any respect they had with trying to push the soicalist agenda.

As for here, no top dogs, and if there was you have a sure bet it would not be a 2 bit consultant..........

A good, thought-provoking thread. While the concept is inviting, and appears to offer visitors assistance, I might shy away from the rankings:


1. We simply don’t know all the facets of the situation of a poster. Therefore, we may all read “Joes-5000” brilliant post, and among the ‘in-crowd’, we mete out a well-deserved “thanks”. This is due to the fact that we may understand their level of involvement with the post, the time in research they spent, etc. This is one type of well-deserved “thanks”.

When in actuality, though, the most helpful post was from Juanita, who has posted four times. The original poster may take their treasure and run; never returning to Juanita to give her the credit she is due.

2. I think keeping a running total of posts and thanks are nice. However, one thing I really like about the Cove is there is, for the most part, no “well, I have a degree in xxxx”, “I have yyy certifications”, “excuse me, look at my # of posts”, etc. Because for the most part, someone’s hard earned, school of hard knocks experience is what makes them valuable.

3. Many of the best, most helpful posts have told individuals what they needed to hear, but did not want to hear. These folks most probably never got a “thanks”.

Since I started with the Cove, everyone always took what I posted on face value, and for the content. Apart from a few who had seen my posts from ASQ, no one here knew anything about me. Yet, I was valued by my thoughts, and not by my rank. I would encourage keeping that value system.

Since I started with the Cove, everyone always took what I posted on face value, and for the content. Apart from a few who had seen my posts from ASQ, no one here knew anything about me. Yet, I was valued by my thoughts, and not by my rank.

Where'd you get that idea? I just like the fact that you're from Texas and don't really pay much attention to what you say.:lol:

Where'd you get that idea? I just like the fact that you're from Texas and don't really pay much attention to what you say.:lol:


Here it is the 2nd, and you have already forgot:


Mine is to be a nice guy :lmao:


My, my, my. How the streets are littered with well-intentioned New Years Resolutions! :lol:

That was nice!

:bigwave: Dear Marc.

Why do not you create a dynamic Ranking Thanked received list?

In order to see the ranking of Top gun Quality Gurus.

i.e:

Ranking Name. Thanked

xx Javier Rubio 124

Regards

All the posts in this thread have merits. I did put a 'statistics' hack online recently but it was too buggy, and all in all I didn't like how it was laid out and such. There are some simple free statistics hacks (the one I tried was not free but reported a lot more stats) which gives some statistics like "Top x Posters" and such.

In general I agree with the posts 'against' a ranking system in so far as it can be used in a way that is not what most of us want used as a tool to 'judge'. I know I have very little concern about total number of posts anyone has. I am most interested in content / quality of the posts made, especially in the 'business' threads.

That said, I do visit a lot of forums which do have statistics hacks that give stats on things like "Top x Posters" and such, and I know a lot of people in those forums like the stats. But - This is quite different than most forums. Some forums even use the 'Referrer' stats to 'award prizes' from time to time to the person who has the most referrals. I've never seen that as an appropriate measure for this forum so while the Referrer system is technically activated I don't do anything with the information.

Good discussion, though. I will look at the simple free stats hacks and *may* put in a 'Top X' listing somewhere, but it's not a priority right now, and it doesn't appear that too many people are interested.

I think the important part is that every post has the poster's data, e.g.:

Posts: 551
Thanks Given to Others: 83
Thanked 124 Times in 71 Posts
Reputation Power: 45
'Reputation' in green dots

That information, as one reads through threads, pretty much tells you about the poster.

One thing I do have is a desire to keep posts in the Coffee Break and Humour from counting towards post totals, etc, which is why posting there doesn't add to ones post counts. In that way we keep focused on who's helping vs. who's just posting for fun. Not that posting for 'fun' and such is bad at all. This came from a few years back where the top poster, who left on not so great of terms, had the majority of his/her (they shall remain anonymous) posts in the Coffee Break forum. That's about the only place the person posted. Again, I like the Coffee Break and Humour forums but want to keep the major focus on 'business' related posts / threads.

I agree with the others when it is said that a Ranking system has no real value, because there are people that post four times on the same subject when the other three could be combined with the original post, because they address the same question/answer.

This cove is for learning and assistance, not a tournament.

This cove is for learning and assistance, not a tournament.

*sighs and puts away her banner, uniform and jousting lance* :notme: :horse:

I remember you that for every person here there is a profile available to see:

Thanks Given to Others:
Thanked Times in Posts
Rep Power:

What is the porpouse of that?

The measurement is the way to improve. There is no improvement without meassurent

I remember you that for every person here there is a profile available to see:

Thanks Given to Others:
Thanked Times in Posts
Rep Power:

What is the porpouse of that?

The measurement is the way to improve. There is no improvement without meassurent

What is it that you think needs improvement? I don't really think that anyone here is motivated very much by the statistics. I think that most, if not all, of the most prolific posters participate because we enjoy sharing our knowledge and experience, and our knowledge and experience is very diverse. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts here.

The measurement is the way to improve. There is no improvement without meassurent

Ah, but measurement must be meaningful.

I have received thanks because I shared wisdom that could help others, I have received thanks because I said what needed to be said, and I have received thanks because I said something that others found witty. Surely you are not suggesting that all of those thanks are equal in validity of chosing a top gun? Besides that, my definition of a top gun, is probably not going to match yours. :2cents:

Ah, but measurement must be meaningful.

Yeah - what she said.

Look - I may just still be a padawan, but it has been prophesized that I am the chosen one to bring balance to QUALITY.

So if you all want to just save time you can start throwing money at me now and I'll make sure you get signed copies of any future books.

And I'm not afraid to use the word "guru".

;)

What is it that you think needs improvement? I don't really think that anyone here is motivated very much by the statistics. I think that most, if not all, of the most prolific posters participate because we enjoy sharing our knowledge and experience, and our knowledge and experience is very diverse. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts here.

Dear Jim by the way you enjoy here writing and participating in this forum, the word "enjoy" means for me that you are really a Brilliant Quality Guru.

I use the term Guru due to the Quality is subject not only to formulas and models. It has more.

When Deming went to Japan and propose there his ideas, previously in the U.S.A nobody took them into account and he opened a new discipline.

Obviously currently the Quality is more technician and the models are more studied and the term Guru is losing weight, but I think it had sense in the time of Deming.

See bellow the definition of Guru.


gu·ru (gr, g-r)
n. pl. gu·rus
1. Hinduism & Tibetan Buddhism A personal spiritual teacher.
2.
a. A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.
b. A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.
3.
a. A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
b. An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea: "In a culture that worships slimness, he was the Guru of Lean" Erica Abeel.

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[Hindi guru, from Sanskrit guru, from guru-, heavy; see gwer-1 in Indo-European roots.]

Noun 1. guru - a Hindu or Buddhist religious leader and spiritual teacher
Hindooism, Hinduism - a body of religious and philosophical beliefs and cultural practices native to India and characterized by a belief in reincarnation and a supreme beingof many forms and natures, by the view that opposing theories are aspects of one eternal truth, and by a desire for liberation from earthly evils
Buddhism - the teaching of Buddha that life is permeated with suffering caused by desire, that suffering ceases when desire ceases, and that enlightenment obtained through right conduct and wisdom and meditation releases one from desire and suffering and rebirth
religious leader - leader of a religious order
2. Guru - each of the first ten leaders of the Sikh religion
Sikhism - the doctrines of a monotheistic religion founded in northern India in the 16th century by Guru Nanak and combining elements of Hinduism and Islam
religious leader - leader of a religious order
3. guru - a recognized leader in some field or of some movement; "a guru of genomics"
leader - a person who rules or guides or inspires others


So for me Guru = Inspiration=Leader

The measurement is the way to improve. There is no improvement without meassurent

Based upon Dr. Deming's teachings, I would disagree with that statement. The most important values are unkown and unknowable. Also, he makes many remarks about the evils of ranking folks.

Now, let us assume we had a way to measure the value of the knowledge placed into the Cove by its users. What would you do different if you knew you were 58th out of 200? 2nd from the top? What if your net "worth" to the Cove was negative - you sucked out more knowledge than you provided? What would you do different?

A paradox is that all of us could be sucking out more knowledge as we provide, as knowledge grows in value as it is shared.

It's too early in the year for all this dribble:yuk:

I said it nicely

It's too early in the year for all this dribble:yuk:

I said it nicely

Yet each dribble counts against posting counts! :rolleyes:

Very true Steve, very true:lol:

"I think that comparisons are truly odious..." Ogden Nash:tg:

I think those that worry about being a "Top Gun" are in fact a "pop gun" (All noise and no substance):lol:

I think those that worry about being a "Top Gun" are in fact a "pop gun" (All noise and no substance):lol::agree1: Most Noble and Honourable Mastergurutopgun the Precocious of Snotting on Wold agrees