I haven't seen this elsewhere on the site (and I've been looking for other similar info which I cant find).
Firstly, I dont believe this breaches copyright, but if it does, it can be removed.

I've taken loads of valuable information off this site, either through comments, discussions or attachments. Here's something in return.

I have re-written section 4 of ISO14001:2004 and converted it to HTML to include in my management system. The format should be able to be included directly into any web page, alternatively you should be able to copy and paste the contents into a text document.

Hopefully this will help someone out there.


I'm currently looking to set my entire EMS up on line as an experiment. If this works I will look to set up our entire management system.

I believe the benefits of this to be huge, however the workload involved in this is also significant. The question is whether the work involved outweighs the benefits.
I have my own personal motives in that I'm trying to teach myself basic web design and as opposed to messing about with nonsense web sites, I thought I'd do something contructive.

Has anyone ever done this before or seen it elsewhere and should I follow it through to completion or revert back to my 'word.doc' / 'excel.xls' procedures, flowcharts, forms and records ?

Advice please, ta ?

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Edited to add: we're a smallish non-design manufacturing company, <100 employees. Obviously I've seen the websites out there by the OEM's, etc. which I'm NOT looking to emulate. Just something simple but effective.

While I appreciate the attachment, I had to remove it because it contains the contents of ISO 14001. I don't need problems from the ISO folks.

While I appreciate the attachment, I had to remove it because it contains the contents of ISO 14001. I don't need problems from the ISO folks.

No worries Marc, fully understand.

I suppose this starts another debate, then.
What constitues copyright violation ?

How much of a standard (or any other copyrighted material for that matter) can you quote in print (without directly scanning or photocopying, etc) without it breaching copyright laws?

Here is one discussion: Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 - File Sharing vs. Copyright (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=7465).

Basically, 'short' excerpts are OK. How much is up for discussion, but in part it depends upon the specific content. For example, I may copy and paste most of a news article, but as for a standard or such maybe a couple of paragraphs.

NOTE: This is in regard to copyright issues here. Copyright issues within your company are a different scenario.

OK, bit foolish of me in hindsight.
However it does make me think, my intention is to quote references from the standard as an explanation / intro to our EMS to let users see why we're doing what we're doing with direct reference to the standard requirements and subsequently to use this as training material.
I've no requirement to quote the full standard verbatim, although I done that as the first step. I wonder then whether I can do that on the web without breaching copyright i.e. the entire site will contain the full standard within it, but only referenced in very small snippets.
Kinda took the blinkers off for me. I suppose if I end up with this [my management system] on the web with public access I should be wary of things like this.

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I'm sure you have to deal with similar posts quite frequently. I'll bear it in mind for future.:thanx:

I'm sure if I allowed it, this site could eat up my full working day "researching".

Keep up the good work.

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That said, anyone any thoughts on whether I should persevere with the online approach ?

Saint, in answer to your question about setting up your system on-line, there are lots of folks that do that. Ours is. Designed with MicroSoft Frontpage and published as an intranet. it cuts down a lot of waste from printing, and that is a good thing, environmental stewardship:notme:

Look at what the license agreement is for you copy of the standard. Masically mine says that I may use it for whatever I want as long as I don't make "copies" of it for sale.

The question is, whether it is any more beneficial than .doc & .xls management systems ?

The main objective is to increase user awareness and interaction of the system. As much as I like the current system (I would do, I designed it), I fear it's too 'technical' (?) for (ahem) idiots to use, which has a direct consequence on understanding / interpretation.

Effectively you have the middle technical core of the business which are confortable with data & electronic media, howver the further you go up the business, and the opposite way, down the business there's a direct relationship in ability...(*-incoming-*).

Do I need to make it more idiot-proof?
Can I do this without dumbing it down?
Am I wasting my time dealing with idiots?
Can I have all my audits when 'wildcards' are on holiday/business trips ?

Is there ever an end to unanswered questions ?:rolleyes:

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Edited to add:

Should I re-do my management system in fuzzy felt and crayon to make it easier to understand ?

We use the FrontPage for all html documents, forms are all in pdf format. we have some data base links, and a little bit of Java script for some interactive (recipe type references, how much of X do I add to YYY tons to get the proper mix) It works just like surfing the web, and we've discovered that EVERYONE knows how to surf the web:rolleyes: We have not dumbed anything down, it is just as easy to click a link and read an html document as finding a file name. For the user, there is nothing to worry about, for the webmaster, there is a little thinking involved.