Can a Tier-2 supplier/manufacturer of forging automotive parts eligible to get a TS 16949:2002 certificate?

You can pursue TS16949:2002 certification of your QMS if you are in the automotive supply chain. Do your products end up in on road vehicles?
Off road vehicles are not eligible. Is your customer requiring you to get TS system certified?

Do you have a formal request, to become TS certified, from an automotive customer?

Regards,

Dirk

Do you have a formal request, to become TS certified, from an automotive customer?

Regards,

Dirk
No we do not have nay formal request from OEM or Tier-1 so far, We are forging automotive parts, which further machined and then assembled into the automotive vehicles

No we do not have nay formal request from OEM or Tier-1 so far, We are forging automotive parts, which further machined and then assembled into the automotive vehicles

Are you currently ISO 9001:2000 registered/certified?

As you describe yourself you are eligible, the tier is irrelevant
IAOB (FAQs) (http://www.iaob.org/showPage.php?title=ISO/TS%2016949%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions%20(FAQs))

1.
Applicability/Scope (Revised July 2003. Revisions in blue type)

Question: Which Organizations can obtain Certification/Registration to ISO/TS 16949:2002?

Answer: Any Organization in the Automotive Supply Chain meeting the criteria below can obtain Certification to ISO/TS 16949:2002

1.
Scope 1.1 General
- This Technical Specification, in conjunction with ISO 9001:2000, defines the quality management system requirements for the design and development, production and, when relevant, installation and service of automotive-related products.
- This Technical Specification is applicable to sites of the organization where production and/or service parts specified by the customer are manufactured.
2.
"Automotive" shall be understood as including the following:
- Cars, Trucks (Light, Medium and Heavy), Buses, Motorcycles
3.
"Automotive" shall be understood to exclude the following:
- Industrial, Agricultural, Off-Highway (Mining, Forestry, Construction, etc.)
4.
3.1.11 "Site"
- Location at which value added manufacturing processes occur.
5.
“Manufacturing”
- Process of making or fabricating:
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Production materials
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Production or service parts
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Assemblies, or
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Heat treating, welding, painting, plating, or other finishing services

No we do not have nay formal request from OEM or Tier-1 so far, We are forging automotive parts, which further machined and then assembled into the automotive vehicles


Well, if your parts go into OEM automotive vehicles, (not aftermarket), then you meet the applicability requirements. Now, just get one of your customers to request you to get TS certification.

According to your customer's requirements

Well, if your parts go into OEM automotive vehicles, (not aftermarket), then you meet the applicability requirements. Now, just get one of your customers to request you to get TS certification.

As I understood it, there is no need for a customer request. As long as you fulfil the criteria you can apply.

As said before no need to be asked to do it. If going for TS will give you benifit then go for it. Some OEM's are demanding that TS be driven down into the supply chain but from experience you do have to have a cut off point.

I was QM at an investment foundry but that was a low down as TS went, but I did take some of the practices, such as APQP / FMEA / Control Plans, and after a long fight get our limited suppliers to fall in line for the products supplied to us.

As I understood it, there is no need for a customer request. As long as you fulfil the criteria you can apply.


My understanding is that requirement still applies, though it is easy to satisfy that one.

According to the IATF Automotive Certification Scheme for ISO/TS 16949:2002, 2nd Edition, page 2, item 1.7, "The scope of certification shall include all manufacturing meeting the applicability of ISO/TS 16949:2002 supplied to customers subscribing [or not subscribing] to ISO/TS 16949."

To me, this means that a manufacturer in the auto industry does not have to have a demand for TS certification from their customer.

Regards,

Dirk

That's correct and as Howard pointed out earlier so long as it is not for off road or after market then you will be eligable for TS certification, but as before only do it if you will gain value from it

Actually you don't even need a customer to require your company to be TS. All you nbeed is for your part to be on a vehicle. (non-aftermaket, not off road as previously defined)

The IATF allows this because there may be a third tier supplier trying to be a first tier supplier, but the second tier suppliers don't often require TS.