A customer of ours is requesting material certified by the EN 10204 3.1B standard. They are also asking for identification. They are only looking for a material ceritifcation correct? Or do they expect our parts to be stamped/identified with EN 10204 3.1B somewhere? Our customer is based out of Europe, hence the request.

I'm not too familiar with the material standard, but nothing needs to be stamped on the material, does it?

Has anyone ever had to deal with this material standard?

Thanks

A customer of ours is requesting material certified by the EN 10204 3.1B standard. They are also asking for identification. They are only looking for a material ceritifcation correct? Or do they expect our parts to be stamped/identified with EN 10204 3.1B somewhere? Our customer is based out of Europe, hence the request.

I'm not too familiar with the material standard, but nothing needs to be stamped on the material, does it?

Has anyone ever had to deal with this material standard?

Thanks

Your european customer is asking for your test reports for your the product you're supplying. I used to work for a european OEM here in the U.S. and had to flowe down the Euro requirements. More often thant not the US standards were more than adequate. You just have to review the documents and fill the gaps in your reporting.

example at

http://www.andrewsfasteners.co.uk/quality.htm


Also, as the supplier you have every right to request the specifications from the cutomer especially since they are doing business globally, they should also have an equivalent matrix of international standards. Propose the US standard you will provide them and they'll probably accept. I know I did.

Please also read the thread from 2004

EN 10204 Clause 3.1B - Definition, Summary and Form (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=9515)

Inspection certificate type 3.1B is obsolete in the current rev of EN 10204.
It's just Type 3.1 now.


here's a summary http://www.qualitytimes.co.in/bs_en_iso_10204_2004.htm

Either way - you dont' stamp the part.
Type 3.1 Inspection Certificate is a cert that says you did specific inspection to a particular standard. It's not a C of C and it's not a D of C.

For your product this is a standard your company should have if you're going to sell in EU.
Tell you boss you really need to buy it.

Ok, thanks. That's what I thought as well. Didn't make any sense to stamp a part because of a material standard. And I think our Purchasing department is working on buying that standard as we speak. :)

Thanks for the quick clarification.

noboost - here's a powerpoint I created for training people in my company.
It also has the PED correspondence chart included.

anyone - feel free to let me know if I should add or change anything.

Edit: See a few posts down this thread for a working link to the document

I don't have access to that file Scott.

I don't have access to that file Scott.

try it now

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D'Oh. Let me try to reattach.

Now we're talking. :)

Thanks

Here it is. I see Scott was successful.

EN 10204 doesn't apply to product that falls under Sound Engineering Practice (SEP), correct? It is only a concern when the products fall under Categories II, III, or IV under PED (according to slide 7 of Scott's PPT)

EN 10204 doesn't apply to product that falls under Sound Engineering Practice (SEP), correct? It is only a concern when the products fall under Categories II, III, or IV under PED (according to slide 7 of Scott's PPT)

No disrespect or discredit to the informational ppt Scott put together, but if I were in your shoes, I'd be concerned both with what the standard EN 10204 says and what the customer will allow and use Scott's ppt as only a guideline.

No disrespect or discredit to the informational ppt Scott put together, but if I were in your shoes, I'd be concerned both with what the standard EN 10204 says and what the customer will allow and use Scott's ppt as only a guideline.

Agreed - if the customer wants an EN 10204 Test Cert, then that's what you ought to give them. I've also seen specified "EN 10204 Type 3.1 or equivalent"... which I think gard2372 got at with his first response. You can give them what they need without calling out "in accordance with EN 10204..."

Look at the footnote on page 7... It's up to the customer to tell us what they want.

Of course we'll try to meet our customer's requirements, but in general, disregarding the customer, we don't need to meet EN 10204 if are products are under SEP, right?

Of course we'll try to meet our customer's requirements, but in general, disregarding the customer, we don't need to meet EN 10204 if are products are under SEP, right?


not exactly - if you were still to apply EN 10204 you would do a type 2.1 or 2.2 for non-specific inspection. Minimum would be a 2.1 which is a D of C.
For SEP you don't need to do a 3.1 or 3.2 unless required by the customer.