:)Hello, new member here, Let me set the scene for you as I have some BIG questions.

We are a group of companies who each have a separate 9001 approval. However our support Company who is part of the group does not at present have 9001, though is in the process of going through assessment for 9001.
However I have been tasked with implementing AS9100, obviously we are currently going for 9001 so that is my immediate priority, following on from that 9100 becomes the No1 Priority and is my complete work load. So I am aksing here, what is the best way to structure my approach to AS9100 and is there a model I can follow. I have read, read, and read again AS9100 and there are sections which I know our current system meet the requirements and there are area's which I cant even get my head around understanding what they are trying to achieve?

Can anyone offer advice, support, route plans, or a lamens guide to understanding the process?

Thanks in Advance

newimplementer :)

Hello there, welcome to The Cove! :bigwave:

I did a search using the Search function in the tool bar above (see the yellow font?) and found a thread for you titled Implementing an AS9100 Quality System (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=17345&highlight=implement+as9100). This should give you a start. When you open it, also check out the related threads listed near the bottom of your screen.

I hope this helps!

There is a readily available model to follow...it's called AS9100. To help you out, do as recommended and follow the material already posted here. Additionally, I would recommend some hands on training to help you out. A 1-3 day course may be sufficient, but a 5 day auditor course might be over-kill.

Your problem is probably in Section 7, Product Realization and you're not alone.

If you implement AS9100 you will automatically have ISO 9001 in place. AS 9100 is just ISO 9001 on steroids for aviation.

Welcome to the Cove.

Jennifer put you on the right track with that thread. You probably already know the AS9100 Standard is based on the ISO 9001:2000 Standard. The complete text of 9001 is within AS9100 so your implementation of 9100 will set you on the right path.

The next thing is to do a gap analysis from ISO 9001 to AS9100. There should be a checklist in the thread Jennifer directed you to. You will find a few areas that will seem a bit foreign to you like Configuration Management and First Article Inspection but those are covered pretty well in threads of their own here.

If you run into anything specific you don't understand or can't find here in the Cove, just post the question.

Good luck on your quest.

Dave

Hi Randy: I assumed that AS9100 is basically ISO with additional requirements, but I observed something that has me a bit confused last week: I was auditing a supplier that claims to have AS9100 in one division and ISO 9001 in another, all working from one QM that encompasses both. Both divisions claim Design is excluded from their scope and in the QM it says under Section 7.3 "No division does aerospace design and this is excluded from our scope". However, the Manual (which mirrors the two Standards verbatim) includes a Section 7.3.1, 7.3.2, 7.3.3, 7.3.4, 7.3.5, 7.3.6 and 7.3.7 (!) - all of which describe design activities... Am I missing something, or is this an error in their manual? (If so, should I write up a CAR and would it constitute a "major" or "minor" finding)?

Hi Randy: I assumed that AS9100 is basically ISO with additional requirements, but I observed something that has me a bit confused last week: I was auditing a supplier that claims to have AS9100 in one division and ISO 9001 in another, all working from one QM that encompasses both. Both divisions claim Design is excluded from their scope and in the QM it says under Section 7.3 "No division does aerospace design and this is excluded from our scope". However, the Manual (which mirrors the two Standards verbatim) includes a Section 7.3.1, 7.3.2, 7.3.3, 7.3.4, 7.3.5, 7.3.6 and 7.3.7 (!) - all of which describe design activities... Am I missing something, or is this an error in their manual? (If so, should I write up a CAR and would it constitute a "major" or "minor" finding)?

Some companies with exclusions include it to say "here's what we would do if we did it." I don't particularly like it, but in some cases it makes sense, especially if they plan to do it in the near future.

I'd have to read how it's worded to say if it's nonconforming, but based on what you said it does sound like they have conflicts in the manual. The scope says "we don't design" then in the body of the manual it says "we design."

Also see: Implementing an AS9100 Quality System (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=17345).

Sorry it has been a while since I have been on here! Guess what I've been implementing an Aerospace QMS! Scope, company and where QMS being implemented has changed and developed, now have a QMS that is approximately 75% complete, documenting procedures and defined processes at the moment. On the cusp of a number of customers, though think will be post 9100 implementation before being able to focus on exact customer specific. It does truly take a year to implement doesnt it and we are still not 100% there! We have external Pre Audit booked late Nov and hopefully a external audit late Dec just before Christmas!

Sounds like you've been busy! Thanks for giving us an update on where you are. If you have any questions on specific topics, feel free to post them.

Ok, as i was beginning to think it was just all going "too well". I have now come up with a number of questions relating to "contract review". The more and more I have read this standard I appear to have misinterpreted or undermimed the importance of good contract review and that it is this that most issues are caused from. Im in the process of trying to write a full and comprehensive contract review applicable to us, but can anyone share experience of good contract review experience vs the balance of "far and beyond what customers" require. However I fully appreciate that As/EN9100 is the minimum requirement and that customers can ask for whatever they want!? Any help/advice as always greatly appreciated.

Nathan:thanx:

Contract review is not too hard to write. I'm sure there is a sample procedure on this site. Have you checked out the forms?

Contract review? Unless you have the background or training the best path would be to engage a Solicitor.

how about an MS project time line template, you guys must have one out there somewhere?
I have been out of touch a while...health issues put me down, but not away, ....working my way back to PAR, most of my stuff is too old to be of much value on this question:cool::cool: