Is it just me or is this the most annoying form you've ever had to use. It drives me crazy trying to enter in data and not being able to edit the column's for proper width of the contents. What was the person designing this form thinking? Ok, I feel a little better after that rant. :frust: does anyone know of an As9102 form which is a little more user friendly?

Here you go. These are exact copies of the forms - so you can type them and adjust the column widths, etc.

It is not fun using it.

Nice form...

Thanks Cari, much appreciated!!:D

Cari - mother of invention! While the rest of us curse the dark, SHE lights a candle! Good job, Cari!:applause:

Nice job Cari. Very helpful.

Regards,

tlonkey

You're welcome!

Funny that this pops up to the top today - I've just been researching AS9102 because a customer is requiring an FAI to this.
Until yesterday I've never even used the acronym "FAI". We do very very little aerospace business.

You're welcome, you guys. And thanks, Wes!:D

Nice Job, I'm having to do an FAI before Xmas, what a nice present:)

Best regards,
al40

We adopted the form into our system to comply with the FAV requirement of the AS9100 standard. It was difficult at first getting everyone on the same page on how to fill it out, but now it's a breeze.

what is the 7. Char. Designator on form 3 for

what is the 7. Char. Designator on form 3 for

cwayne,

This is what IAQG has to say about Form 3, Box 7:

A12. Question:
What are "characteristic designators" for form 3 box 7?

A12. Response:
"Characteristic designators" are identified on engineering documents. Applicable design engineering also establishes definitions of those designators (including major/minor characteristics, key characteristics, structural characteristics, etc.). 9102 can not provide these definitions.

All the FAQ's pertaining to AS9102A can be found here (http://www.sae.org/iaqg/publications/faq9102.htm).

Hope this is of some help. By the way welcome to the "cove" :bigwave:

Thanks Frank

I have seen major/minor, key, and structural characteristics called out on engineering drawings, purchase orders, or supplier support documents for a few of the major aerospace customers. I would input these accordingly or leave blank until a source inspector requested that I input the characteristic type. (i.e. dimension, angle, radius, diameter, GD&T, etc.)
Is this common practice or is this one man’s interpretation of the as9102 standard?
What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks again for the response and the warm welcome.

Thanks Frank

I have seen major/minor, key, and structural characteristics called out on engineering drawings, purchase orders, or supplier support documents for a few of the major aerospace customers. I would input these accordingly or leave blank until a source inspector requested that I input the characteristic type. (i.e. dimension, angle, radius, diameter, GT&T, etc.)
Is this common practice or is this one man’s interpretation of the as9102 standard?
What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks again for the response and the warm welcome.


The way that I identified the classifications of a dimensional call-out on the 9102 Form was this:

C=Critical
M=Major
MN=Minor

Each of the characteristics would be identified like this: M-1, MN-1, or C-1 depending on how you want to identify them.

This is just a suggestion.

I have seen major/minor, key, and structural characteristics called out on engineering drawings, purchase orders, or supplier support documents for a few of the major aerospace customers. I would input these accordingly or leave blank until a source inspector requested that I input the characteristic type.
Is this common practice or is this one man’s interpretation of the as9102 standard?
What are your thoughts on this?

There are various ways to interpret this requirement. Coury's example being one of them.

My interpretation is that unless the customer's drawing, engineering standard, quality requirements, etc., specifically require it, I enter N/A into these fields.

Example: Our UTC customer requires all class 4 characteristics to have designators. These designators are entered prior to source inspection.

Just my :2cents:

I found this training Macromedia presentation on the AAQG website on the AS9102 Form. It was very interesting. If anyone is interested here is the link and select training:

AS9102 Training Web Page (http://www.sae.org/aaqg/publications/as9102a-faq.htm)

Hi:I am new to the forum as well as to the quality field. I have been asked to submit an FAI using AS9102 forms. I am wondering if this is the right thing to do.The company I am working for is only registered ISO9001-2000. Do I have any authority to be submitting an FAI on these forms?

Hi:I am new to the forum as well as to the quality field. I have been asked to submit an FAI using AS9102 forms. I am wondering if this is the right thing to do.The company I am working for is only registered ISO9001-2000. Do I have any authority to be submitting an FAI on these forms?

Phil,

Is this a Customer request? If so, than you will need to either: Ask the Customer to waive the requirement, or complete it.

The AS9102 form is a suggested form for an Aerospace Supplier to furnish the FAI results to the customer.

Hi:I am new to the forum as well as to the quality field. I have been asked to submit an FAI using AS9102 forms. I am wondering if this is the right thing to do.The company I am working for is only registered ISO9001-2000. Do I have any authority to be submitting an FAI on these forms?
Hi, Phil - Welcome to the cove!:bigwave:

One does not need "authority" to use AS9102 forms. If that is the format your customer wants, that is the right thing to do. There's no rule that you have to be AS9100 registered to use AS9102 forms.

Use the link Coury posted above and post questions you have here - we'll help you learn how to complete them properly. It's really not difficult once you see some examples and such.

Good Luck!!

Coury: It would appear that it is a requirement writen into the PO and I am being "asked" by sales to fufill the customer requirement. I have decided to fill it out to the best of my abilitys. There are going to be alot of N/A's because we dont meet all the requirements. I suppose it is up to the customer to accept or reject. We have been making this part for this customer for a long time and they just requested this FAI on this order.

I am new to the forum as well as to the quality field. I have been asked to submit an FAI using AS9102 forms. I am wondering if this is the right thing to do. The company I am working for is only registered ISO 9001-2000.
Being asked to perform an FAI per AS9102, even though you are only registered to ISO 9001:2000 is not uncommon. You will find that many company that supply product to the aerospace industry are only ISO9001:2000 registered.

Do I have any authority to be submitting an FAI on these forms?
AS9102 does not specify that you have to have any special authority, just that who ever signs the forms certifies that all characteristics are accounted for, meet drawing requirements or are properly documented for disposition.

Coury: It would appear that it is a requirement writen into the PO and I am being "asked" by sales to fufill the customer requirement. I have decided to fill it out to the best of my abilitys. There are going to be alot of N/A's because we dont meet all the requirements. I suppose it is up to the customer to accept or reject. We have been making this part for this customer for a long time and they just requested this FAI on this order.

Phil,

The form is not really that hard to complete. Have you ever done a First Article Inspection? If the answer is no, then let us know and we will help you through this, and the completion of the AS9102 form. That is why we are here.

I have noticed that all the electronic copies that I have found of these forms are in Word doc format. Does anyone know if there is an excel version anywhere? I would really like to be able to pull the results from the CMM straight in.

I have noticed that all the electronic copies that I have found of these forms are in Word doc format. Does anyone know if there is an excel version anywhere? I would really like to be able to pull the results from the CMM straight in.

Here is one I found using the Post Attachments List: AS9102 Form Excel (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showpost.php?p=187958&postcount=7)

That looks great Coury. Many thanks

That looks great Coury. Many thanks

I am glad I could help. Your welcome.

Working with several different Aerospace companies, the "standard" AS9102 form is tame compared to some of the different versions we have seen and have to deal with daily. Even some of our commercial customers have their own FAI forms that are a bear to work with.