Has anyone read over the internal audit requirements?

Also, the document "basic elements of manufacturing " is not easily found.

Any help/ comments from the cove ?

Has anyone read over the internal audit requirements?

Also, the document "basic elements of manufacturing " is not easily found.

Any help/ comments from the cove ?Bob, to make it easier for people to respond, the requirements you are referring to are quoted below:
4.2.9 Internal Quality Audits

The organization shall conduct an internal quality audit at least once per year.
As a part of the internal quality audit, the organization shall perform a self-assessment to ensure their Quality Management System is in compliance with the Objectives, Example Metrics and Support Mechanisms defined in Chrysler’s document “Elements Of Manufacturing Basics”. This self-assessment is mandatory, beginning with the organization’s first internal audit occurring on or after 7 January 2008. The document is available through the Chrysler Global Supplier Portal via the “Quality Management Systems Information” page.
This self-assessment requirement also applies to the organization’s supply base (all suppliers). The organization (and all suppliers) shall maintain records of this self-assessment including any corrective actions required for compliance.

Has anyone read over the internal audit requirements?

Also, the document "basic elements of manufacturing " is not easily found.

Any help/ comments from the cove ?

Is the "Basic Elements..." document not where Sidney's quote of the requirements says it is?

Several folks from 1st tier auto suppliers that I know have not been able to locate this document, I do not have access to Chrysler's website.

Hopefully someone will contact the authorized customer representative and get some clarification. I am working on this also , and perhaps some others have information on this " new" requirement.

Some of us are baffled at this point. Thanks

Is the "Basic Elements..." document not where Sidney's quote of the requirements says it is?

Yes it is there:
sign in on Covisint, go to the Chrysler portal
Go to the Reference tab
Scroll to Downloads

"Quality Management Systems Information" link is midway down that alphabetical list (below "Process Sign-Off Manual" and above "Supplier PFMEA Audit Summary", 2 other frequently-requested documents)
The link goes to http://qmsi.extra.daimlerchrysler.com/wi/clients/QMSI_e

"Elements of Manufacturing Basics" is the first item on that page. It's a basic 11-slide presentation in pdf format.

B.G. Wiehle

Yes it is there:
sign in on Covisint, go to the Chrysler portal
Go to the Reference tab
Scroll to Downloads

B.G. Wiehle

Unfortunately, many of us do not have access to the OEM's sites through Covisint. I have approached some of my automotive friends to help me obtain this document for our Fellow Covers. I'll see what I can come up with.

Stijloor.

Friends,

Attached are two of the three documents that according to my Client make up the Chrysler Self-Assessment. The 3rd one has not been released yet. (I can not verify that these documents are the very latest revision.)

Hope this helps.

Stijloor.

Does the new Chrysler requirements calls to perform self assesment as per control plan/FMEA forms attached?

Does the new Chrysler requirements calls to perform self assessment as per control plan/FMEA forms attached?

Hello ssaass,

The requirement for self-assessment is included in post #2 in this thread. I have not been able to personally compare the attachments with the ones posted on the Chrysler website because I do not have access through Covisint.

I am sure that others who have access to the site will respond.

Stijloor.

Hello ssaass,

The requirement for self-assessment is included in post #2 in this thread. I have not been able to personally compare the attachments with the ones posted on the Chrysler website because I do not have access through Covisint.

I am sure that others who have access to the site will respond.

Stijloor.


Allright - I give up. Here is Chrysler's "Elements of Manufacturing Basics" presentation (no rev date). As you will see, it has NOTHING to do with auditing PFMEAs or Control Plans. If you re-read the Chrysler CSR excerpt in Post #2, it is asking for a self-assessment (FORMAT NOT DEFINED) of the QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, as part of the INTERNAL AUDIT PROCESS.

I don't know why a current TS-16949 certificate is no longer enough. Most of the metrics included in the presentation are supposed to be reviewed in Management Review, which is already part of the internal audit program. The Chrysler requirement is effective in Jan 2008, so our internal audit co-ordinator will be developing a plan to deal with this. It's possible, I suppose, that all Chrysler is expecting is a summary of the internal audit program. :bonk:

B.G. Wiehle

Here is a clarification on the topic-


from Chrysler -CSR clarification December 6, 2007




"In response to your question, Chrysler is not planning on rolling out any special form to perform the self-assessment. If desired, your clients could certainly develop their own form that captures the Objectives, Example Metrics and Support Mechanisms identified in the Powerpoint presentation.

I suggest however that they take the approach that we have suggested in our Customer Specific Requirements...and allow the flexibility for these self-assessment items to be done by them or their tiers as a part of their next internal audit.

Chrysler's intent is not to proliferate any additional audits. In the spirit of ISO/TS-16949, and the Process Approach, it is desired that they effectively combine the Manufacturing Basics elements of Objectives, Example Metrics and Support Mechanisms into their internal audits. This approach will help avoid any duplication and still meet Chrysler's requirements.

I suspect that you'll find your clients (and their tiers') existing Quality Management System already addresses the majority of these items.

Please reinforce the above Chrysler position with your clients.


Regards,"

David P. Fowler
AQP Strategy & Processes
External Quality Programs
Supplier Quality
Procurement & Supply
Chrysler
OUTSIDE: (248) 576-3553 T/L: 776-3553
fax: (248) 576-2189
eMAIL: dpf2@chrysler.com "

Please find pdf file "elements of Mfg. basics"

This was provided to us by our Customer rep responsible for Chrysler.

Eric

Edit: Sorry, I was on page one and didn't move to page 2 until I had posted to see that someone beat me to the punch.

I found the Basic elements, I am just wondering if there is a self-assessment form that has to be filled out.

Ok, no form - has anyone designed one that would like to share to give me some ideas?

Ok, no form - has anyone designed one that would like to share to give me some ideas?

Ok, no form - has anyone designed one that would like to share to give me some ideas?

Hello! Good to see back here at the Cove. :bigwave:

This is what Chrysler wants:

4.2.9 Internal Quality Audits
The organization shall conduct an internal quality audit at least once per year. As a part of the internal quality audit, the organization shall perform a self-assessment to ensure their Quality Management System is in compliance with the Objectives, Example Metrics and Support Mechanisms defined in Chrysler’s document “Elements Of Manufacturing Basics”. This self-assessment is mandatory, beginning with the organization’s first internal audit occurring on or after 7 January 2008. The document is available through the
Chrysler Global Supplier Portal via the “Quality Management Systems Information” page.

This self-assessment requirement also applies to the organization’s supply base (all suppliers).

The organization (and all suppliers) shall maintain records of this self-ssessment including any corrective actions required for compliance.

The intent is that you look at your Quality Management System and verify that your company has something in place that is the equivalent of what Chrysler is talking about in that brochure. A checklist is not required. But you must be able to provide evidence......:frust: :frust:

So I cooked up a simple one page form that will allow you to record your company's equivalent activities. I only had time to do one page, (PEOPLE) but when you see it, you get the idea what to do next.

Don't take this thing as required, mandatory, or best practice....just an idea.

See attached for the example.

Stijloor.

Ok, no form - has anyone designed one that would like to share to give me some ideas?

My approach will be to simply ignore this until acted upon by either our registrar or Chrysler.

Then I will likely build a cross reference showing where our system meets these requirements. Since we audit the the system once a year, that will be that.

Sorry, gotta go, the phone is ringing, likely another demand for a price reduction to go along with the extra requirements...heck, this made us so much better we should be happy to reduce our price.

These types of customer specifics appear to me to be 'grabbing at straws', without a really practical basis of implementation. If you can get away without having to do much more than a simple paperwork exercise, then that's all I'd recommend, too.

Reading the post which quotes the Chrysler requirement and then taking a look at the Manufacturing Basics document, there's a very big gulf between the understanding of those who write this stuff and the practical reality of implementing effective management systems. And, this is not the first time there's been a huge gap or complete contradiction between requirements. The PSO manual and the LPA requirements are examples. BTW - what does doing an internal audit once a year really mean.........??

This week, the pundits at the NA autoshow are talking (again) about reviving the domestic auto industry. IMHO, while corporate staffs hand down these kind of non-value added, ill conceived, costly - but far reaching - 'rules' on already overburdened suppliers, domestics will never be able to get ahead of the game. Didn't anyone ask the question - why don't Toyota ask their supplier to do these things?

Friends,

Chrysler equation:

ISO/TS 16949:2002 + PSO + CSR's + LPA + Manufacturing Basics Self Assessment = :frust::whip::frust::whip: :mg:

Or:

How NOT to "requirementize" yourself back to prosperity......:nope:

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Toyota:

SQAM. That's all..:)

Stijloor.

Toyota SQAM indeed.

The thing I like about Toyota way is you can talk to a knowledgeable person who can explain exactly what they want, how it helps them, and how it helps you.

They will bend over backwords to help (as long as you do your part). They can makes changes NOW, without 500 sign offs and 2 years delay.

I'll trade working with good people at Toyota for filling out forms 'cause they are in the "blue dot" manuals anyday.

Toyota SQAM indeed.

The thing I like about Toyota way is you can talk to a knowledgeable person who can explain exactly what they want, how it helps them, and how it helps you.

They will bend over backwords to help (as long as you do your part). They can makes changes NOW, without 500 sign offs and 2 years delay.

I'll trade working with good people at Toyota for filling out forms 'cause they are in the "blue dot" manuals anyday.

Amen to that! :applause: :applause:

Stijloor.

Here is a clarification on the topic-


from Chrysler -CSR clarification December 6, 2007




"In response to your question, Chrysler is not planning on rolling out any special form to perform the self-assessment. If desired, your clients could certainly develop their own form that captures the Objectives, Example Metrics and Support Mechanisms identified in the Powerpoint presentation.

I suggest however that they take the approach that we have suggested in our Customer Specific Requirements...and allow the flexibility for these self-assessment items to be done by them or their tiers as a part of their next internal audit.

Chrysler's intent is not to proliferate any additional audits. In the spirit of ISO/TS-16949, and the Process Approach, it is desired that they effectively combine the Manufacturing Basics elements of Objectives, Example Metrics and Support Mechanisms into their internal audits. This approach will help avoid any duplication and still meet Chrysler's requirements.

I suspect that you'll find your clients (and their tiers') existing Quality Management System already addresses the majority of these items.

Please reinforce the above Chrysler position with your clients.


Regards,"

David P. Fowler
AQP Strategy & Processes
External Quality Programs
Supplier Quality
Procurement & Supply
Chrysler
OUTSIDE: (248) 576-3553 T/L: 776-3553
fax: (248) 576-2189
eMAIL: dpf2@chrysler.com "


I'm using a software module for creating audit checklists. This module allows you to reference the source of the audit item. So I could just go in and reference the Chrysler Document as the source of questions we already have in place and add questions where needed....couldn't I? Couldn't others do something similiar?

We've also been getting this type of request from our customers. So far all I've ever had to submit is the CQI-12 Coating System Assessment and that has been sufficient enough for our customers, but more may be required if you are not a coating or plating company.

I'm using a software module for creating audit checklists. This module allows you to reference the source of the audit item. So I could just go in and reference the Chrysler Document as the source of questions we already have in place and add questions where needed....couldn't I? Couldn't others do something similiar?


I would think that depends on whether your existing questions address the items that Chysler wants addressed. You have to decide that.

Yes it is there:
sign in on Covisint, go to the Chrysler portal
Go to the Reference tab
I don't see a Reference Tab:confused:
Scroll to Downloads

"Quality Management Systems Information" link is midway down that alphabetical list (below "Process Sign-Off Manual" and above "Supplier PFMEA Audit Summary", 2 other frequently-requested documents)
The link goes to http://qmsi.extra.daimlerchrysler.com/wi/clients/QMSI_e

"Elements of Manufacturing Basics" is the first item on that page. It's a basic 11-slide presentation in pdf format.

B.G. Wiehle

Where do you see a reference tab?

Where do you see a reference tab?

It's still there, on the top left after you've signed into the Chrysler portal.

Thanks for the help but apparently we don't have the same access. The only tab I have is "home".

My approach will be to simply ignore this until acted upon by either our registrar or Chrysler.

Just went thru a TS re reg audit. When this came up, I just stated "our current internal audit system covers this material" and the audit moved on.

thank you for your sharing the data.i can not access the wedsite for customer has not give us the permssion.
as my understanding,no specific audit is necessary to fulfill the requirement of the clause as the audit of mangement review process and production process covers these .

Hello,

I would like to ask anyone who can help me how to search or if I can obtain a copy of these STANDARDS which are included on our specification as OTHER RELATED SPECIFICATIONS (hyperlink - but no link at all!:frust:).
Some very important instructions were referred to these standards
which I can't open! or are they updated or not?:frust: I tried asking them to those who use these specifications but they said these are all hard copies and cannot be viewed on our intranet lists of specification/stds.
MIL-PRF-38535
MIL-PRF-38534
MIL-STD-883
MIL-STD-1835
I really need help so I can understand if we still conforming to these references.
I'll appreciate it the most if you can give me some sites to look them at.

Thanks in advance and God bless to all,

Hello,

I would like to ask anyone who can help me how to search or if I can obtain a copy of these STANDARDS which are included on our specification as OTHER RELATED SPECIFICATIONS (hyperlink - but no link at all!:frust:).
Some very important instructions were referred to these standards
which I can't open! or are they updated or not?:frust: I tried asking them to those who use these specifications but they said these are all hard copies and cannot be viewed on our intranet lists of specification/stds.
MIL-PRF-38535
MIL-PRF-38534
MIL-STD-883
MIL-STD-1835
I really need help so I can understand if we still conforming to these references.
I'll appreciate it the most if you can give me some sites to look them at.

Thanks in advance and God bless to all,

Excelinda,

Welcome to The Cove Forums! :bigwave: :bigwave:

Look here:

MIL-PRF-38535 (http://www.dscc.dla.mil/Programs/MilSpec/ListDocs.asp?BasicDoc=MIL-PRF-38535)
MIL-PRF-38534 (http://www.dscc.dla.mil/Programs/MilSpec/ListDocs.asp?BasicDoc=MIL-PRF-38534)
MIL-STD-883 (http://www.dscc.dla.mil/Programs/MilSpec/ListDocs.asp?BasicDoc=MIL-STD-883)
MIL-STD-1835 (http://www.dscc.dla.mil/Programs/MilSpec/ListDocs.asp?BasicDoc=MIL-STD-1835)

I hope that this is what you're looking for.

Stijloor.