I finished a quality system of construction company (iso9001:2000) and before bringing the rgistrar i need to check if my system is ok or there will be some minors or majors how can i test my system before the external audit
and don not tell me use the pre-assessment as it is not allowed in my case
what shall i do?
:thanx:

I finished a quality system of construction company (iso9001:2000) and before bringing the rgistrar i need to check if my system is ok or there will be some minors or majors how can i test my system before the external audit
and don not tell me use the pre-assessment as it is not allowed in my case
what shall i do?
:thanx:

Internal audits usually are good tools to determine the condition of a QMS. Findings from your internal audits are also good indicators of whether any nonconformances in your external audit will be found. :)

As Gidget has said, Internal Audits and a Management Review are a good test of the suitability and conformance of your QMS. However, it may be worthwhile asking another consultant/auditor to give it a look at. This may be at 2 levels - document review (compliance with ISO 9001 'in theory') and/or compliance audit (a 'mock' audit) depending on what you want out of it.

I know that internal audit is good but what i need is to evaluate the documented procedures and forms and wi i made whether it is enough or not that is what i mean i.e i need someone who has more experience to say this system is complete or need amendments and is there any missing procedures or forms


:thanx:

Then I would take Colpart's suggestion regarding an outside consultant or maybe a colleague who may have the experience or knowledge to help evaluation your QMS.

I know that internal audit is good but what i need is to evaluate the documented procedures and forms and wi i made whether it is enough or not that is what i mean i.e i need someone who has more experience to say this system is complete or need amendments and is there any missing procedures or forms


:thanx:

Here is an idea... Are your documents written in English? Would you be able/willing to attach these documents to a post? We'd be happy to take a look at it.

Your documents and records should meet the (minimum) requirements of ISO 9001:2000. Look at clause 4.2. Furthermore, you should determine and implement any additional documents necessary to support your system. The people in the organization should know, understand, use, and comply with the documents. You can verify this as part of an internal audit. When the quality system works as intended, meaning it's delivering the expected results, you have a good quality system. A simplistic view on my part perhaps, but I hope this helps.

Stijloor.

Great
Thank you v.much mr.Stijloor
I really appreciate that
That is what i will do:thanks:

Why is the pre-assessment not an option, out of curiousity?

Why can't you schedule a desk study internal audit or set aside time to determine if your documentation is adequate?

I don't understand what the problem is here. I think we're making the situation sound more problematic than it really is.

Why is the pre-assessment not an option, out of curiousity?

Why can't you schedule a desk study internal audit or set aside time to determine if your documentation is adequate?

I don't understand what the problem is here. I think we're making the situation sound more problematic than it really is.

I was wondering the same thing. Usually the registration body will come to the facility for a pre-assessment and thats where you will find what areas you might have to improve on in regards of your documentation. Does the registrar not offer such a service to your Company?:confused:

Why is the pre-assessment not an option, out of curiousity?

Why can't you schedule a desk study internal audit or set aside time to determine if your documentation is adequate?

I don't understand what the problem is here. I think we're making the situation sound more problematic than it really is.

While pre-assessments are fairly common in the USA, Canada and Europe, we must realize that (in other, sometimes developing countries) such services may be cost prohibitive. Especially for very small organizations such as the OP's. We sometimes tend to take things for granted, while other areas of the world do not.

Just some thoughts.

Stijloor.

However, it may be worthwhile asking another consultant/auditor to give it a look at.I've done a lot of implementations over the last 15+ years, and MANY times I have another auditor 'Check My Work'. When I get really involved in the implementation, it does come to pass that the risk factor is too high to rely on my judgment totally. If it was a 'critical' implementation, I brought in an independent auditor to do a run through to see if there was anything I had missed.

While pre-assessments are fairly common in the USA, Canada and Europe, we must realize that (in other, sometimes developing countries) such services may be cost prohibitive. Especially for very small organizations such as the OP's. We sometimes tend to take things for granted, while other areas of the world do not.

Just some thoughts.

Stijloor.

Pre-assessments are offered over here also and for a small organization its one to two mandays (reasonable cost). However for those engaging consultants, they do not expect to pay for this as the consultant is deemed capable enough to get them through this stage.

Unless you are very confident, other wise you should avoid practicing alone. It's in situations like this that you need another member of your team to come in for a second view/opinion. The often frowned upon generic audit checklist is good in this situation to check if you had covered all grounds.