1-What is the difference in application between identification& tracibility?:thanx:
2- in d&d shall i mention only what the company is doing in design process ?

1-What is the difference in application between identification& tracibility?:thanx:
2- in d&d shall i mention only what the company is doing in design process ?

Identification pertains to labeling of product during all stages of production to prevent mix-up, etc. Traceability pertains to tracing components/finished product from the beginning of the production process (raw materials, bill of materials, etc.) through to delivery of product (including customer's name/address) so that in case of recall all product can be traced forward (to the customer and/or end user) and backward (all the way back to the supplier of raw materials).

Hope this helps. :bigwave:

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Identification is for product

tracibility is for components of product

thank you:thanks:

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Identification is for product

tracibility is for components of product

thank you:thanks:

Traceability also applies to the finished product, not just the components. :)

Just to help abit on the clarification (or not) :notme:

ISO 9000:2005

3.5.4
traceability
ability to trace the history, application or location of that which is under consideration
NOTE 1 When considering product (3.4.2), traceability can relate to
— the origin of materials and parts,
— the processing history, and
— the distribution and location of the product after delivery.

thank you
i understood thank you


what about the rest of my question
for D&D shall i mention& describe only what the company is doing in her design process or shall i do more than that:thanks:

what about the rest of my question
for D&D shall i mention& describe only what the company is doing in her design process or shall i do more than that:thanks:

Sorry, but not quite sure what you are asking... could you clarify ?

I need to prepare design and development procedure for my construction company and i`m asking shall i write what they do in design only or do more?:thanks:

I need to prepare design and development procedure for my construction company and i`m asking shall i write what they do in design only or do more?:thanks:

Since you are the implementation phase of you quality management system, I would document what exactly is done today... if you want to improve your D&D department and outputs later, go for it... keep it simple and functional.

Are you asking whether only clause 7.3 is applicable because they are a design company?

If so, you also have to address the other clauses of the standard as well. It just happens that design is 1 of their processes.

ok i give details for clearance It is building construction company and design process is divided into 3 parts
1- the organization makes designs from a-z.
2- consultant company prepares the design from a-z and give to our company to apply it.
3- sometimes a consultant company puts primary designs and our company complete the detailed designs and then apply it.

thanks

OK, so you must explain about these 3 methods of producing designs - I would do so in the quality manual myself. Either way, you are still responsible for the designs, whether you do it yourself from start to finish or if you outsource it (see last para in 4.1) .

In addition, you must address all other processes such as taking on new work (7.2), purchasing (7.4), etc. You also of course have to satisfy all other aspects of the standard such as internal audits, management review, etc.

yes yes i already finished about 90% of all these procedures

thanks:thanks:

Identification is not just part number like information. It includes the product or test status of what is under consideration. Part number like info may or may not meet this requirement.

1-What is the difference in application between identification& tracibility?:thanx:
2- in d&d shall i mention only what the company is doing in design process ?


1. Interpretation may differ. You'll have to provide more details or decide for your own case.

For me, Identification means going on the floor and being able to show the auditor what a product/document/record is, what its purpose is and how we use it.

Traceability, for me, means being able to track a batch/lot from any point in our process. Often I've had to track a lot requested by the customer. If I can find records at each step of our processes and trace exactly what happened to this product, then I have traceability.

2. Your wording is somewhat unclear here, but haveing gone through our rough and tumble R&D process recently, I think I know what you mean.

Design and Development starts with a customer need/requirement, goes through the 3 steps you mentioned in your other post, and continues through manufacturing/construction all the way to customer feedback. It is, for us, much more than coming up with the blueprint.

I'm not clear on who your customer is. It is one thing I see missing in the information you provided so far.

With that said, you should include whatever you feel is necessary in your QMS. The standard is fairly adamant on customer input and satisfaction.

Let me know if this helps.