When must I flow the AS9102 First Article inspection requirements to my suppliers? I am usually buying parts that my company has designed. Sometimes we buy ceramic components that have to have certain electrical and physical characteristics.

Thanks!

Some of our customers require us to perform a FAIR ourselves on parts we buy and ship, regardless of whether or not we receive one from our suppliers - Honeywell in particular comes to mind. We keep FAIRs on all our purchased nonstandard parts anyway (including ones that go into assemblies) because sometimes they have characteristics that we don't have the means to inspect.

Simple answer is when it is required by your customers purchase order/contract.

The more complex answer is based on your review of AS9102. Does it benefit your organization to have this detail of a first article inspection from your suppliers? Boeing, Lockheed, Pratt and Whitney and other aerospace companies feel that they benefit from having their suppliers submit AS9102 FAIs.

I agree with what Frost said, "when required by your customers P.O./contract." But after dealing with a lot of aerospace companies I have found that almost all of them require FAI's per AS9102. So, I personally flow down the requirement for any/all aerospace customers.

Just my :2cents:....

By the way, welcome to the cove Jo Ann.:bigwave:

I agree with what Frost said, "when required by your customers P.O./contract." But after dealing with a lot of aerospace companies I have found that almost all of them require FAI's per AS9102. So, I personally flow down the requirement for any/all aerospace customers.

Just my :2cents:....

By the way, welcome to the cove Jo Ann.:bigwave:

Agreed. Whenever you receive a aerospace contract flow it down to your suppliers. Do the first article and segregate that lot for the contract requirement.

We do the FAI and flow down the requirement when required by a customer contract . We also add the line item to our quotation. BTW, I understand that COTS catalog parts do not require it.

One thing to remember. Prime contractors ususally do not let you deligate inspection and acceptance to your vendors.

You can ask for First Article Inspection Reports from your vendors, but you are still liable to perform your own inspection.

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Thanks everyone, for your help!
Jo Ann

One thing to remember. Prime contractors ususally do not let you deligate inspection and acceptance to your vendors.

You can ask for First Article Inspection Reports from your vendors, but you are still liable to perform your own inspection.

Granted we all suffer our suppliers at times but maybe I have just been lucky but I can not rember when our customers FAA, Boeing , Airbus ect have required that we redo a FA supplied to us by our subtiers.
That said their are times that we will do this based on the supplier or critical nature of the part but it is usualy limited to Key features.

In all cases we do review the data supplied to ensure that it is complete and correct.

:2cents:

Granted we all suffer our suppliers at times but maybe I have just been lucky but I can not rember when our customers FAA, Boeing , Airbus ect have required that we redo a FA supplied to us by our subtiers.
That said their are times that we will do this based on the supplier or critical nature of the part but it is usualy limited to Key features.

In all cases we do review the data supplied to ensure that it is complete and correct.

:2cents:

It may not be common, but it's certainly worth reading the clauses closely. Honeywell requires us to do our own, even if we're supplied one. At least that's how our FQE explained it to me, and he's not one to add unnecessary rules of his own.

It may not be common, but it's certainly worth reading the clauses closely. Honeywell requires us to do our own, even if we're supplied one. At least that's how our FQE explained it to me, and he's not one to add unnecessary rules of his own.

It's called Contract Review, I'm currently doing contract work for a company and they signed off on a contract for a major OEM without really understanding what they were signing up for i.e. AS9102/AS9103 requirements. Let's just say after the initial shock of the Cost of Quality for implementing and ensuring these requirements are met they'll ensure they fully understand these types of requirements in the future.


Regards,
al40