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KELVIN
22nd February 2008, 04:36 AM
Hi All,

Need your expertised to advise that what should be the criteria for the written procedure under 3.0 Reference.

Question:

1) Is there a ISO requirement for all List documents and/or forms supporting must link to the written procedure ? If yes, what's ISO clauses?

2) If the forms are still valid & used for other procedure, but not stated inside the particular written procedure.Should we put this reference form/procedure inside procedure?

3) During ISO audit, is this considered one of the observation which the reference forms were written on 3.0 Reference, but not link to the written procedure 9.0.


:thanx:

Kelvin

Ashwani
22nd February 2008, 04:54 AM
Hi All,

Need your expertised to advise that what should be the criteria for the written procedure under 3.0 Reference.

Question:

1) Is there a ISO requirement for all List documents and/or forms supporting must link to the written procedure ? If yes, what's ISO clauses?

2) If the forms are still valid & used for other procedure, but not stated inside the particular written procedure.Should we put this reference form/procedure inside procedure?

3) During ISO audit, is this considered one of the observation which the reference forms were written on 3.0 Reference, but not link to the written procedure 9.0.


:thanx:

Kelvin


plz clarify a bit more to let me u/stand ur reqmt better

Colpart
22nd February 2008, 06:17 AM
Kelvin, you seem to be suggesting that there is a pre-prescribed format for procedures in ISO 9001 i.e. 9 sections of which 1 of them (section 3) is called references. Is that your understanding.

If so, you are mistaken. It is entirely your choice as to how you layout your procedures (unless you have a prescribed 'in-house' style that you must conform to). There does not have to be a 'references' section!

KELVIN
22nd February 2008, 06:23 AM
Kelvin, you seem to be suggesting that there is a pre-prescribed format for procedures in ISO 9001 i.e. 9 sections of which 1 of them (section 3) is called references. Is that your understanding.

If so, you are mistaken. It is entirely your choice as to how you layout your procedures (unless you have a prescribed 'in-house' style that you must conform to). There does not have to be a 'references' section!

Thanks Colpart.Your are right. We do have prescribed in-house procedure format which reference document/form must link to procedure.
:thanx:

Stijloor
22nd February 2008, 08:39 AM
plz clarify a bit more to let me u/stand ur reqmt better

Ashwani,

For the benefit of our (older;)) Fellow Covers that did not grow up with text-messaging language, could you please translate this for us?

Stijloor.

CarolX
22nd February 2008, 09:08 AM
Ashwani,

For the benefit of our (older;)) Fellow Covers that did not grow up with text-messaging language, could you please translate this for us?

Stijloor.

:topic: And please remember this forum is visit by folks from all over the world. And English is a second language for many users. Textspeak doesn't translate very well.
:thanx:

CarolX
22nd February 2008, 02:03 PM
plz clarify a bit more to let me u/stand ur reqmt better

Translated

Please clarify a bit more to let me understand your requirement better

Helmut Jilling
23rd February 2008, 12:10 AM
Thanks Colpart.Your are right. We do have prescribed in-house procedure format which reference document/form must link to procedure.
:thanx:


It sounds like your internal procedure is based on the common format described in the ISO 10013 (I think that is the right number?). This was just a guide and the format was not mandatory.