If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?

Without any hesitation... nothing. You do a really good job here,Marc.

However, I will take it that you asked this as part of a genuine quest for improvement. I will think about it and see if I can come up with something.

If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?

Marc,

Refine the search engine.

Stijloor.

Refine the search engine.Can't do that. It's 'built in' vBulletin and I definitely don't have the knowledge to try to code something better. But, that is why, on the main search page, I put in a Google link to search the site. And, on top of searching the forum, the Google Search will search the whole site.

I do agree - The built in vBulletin search engine is poor.

The only thing I would change is some of the layout. It could be a bit more appealing (read: easier to navigate). Other than that I like it :-)

Marc,
I mainly use the "Post Last 24 Hour" page. It would be nice to be able to start a new thread directly form that page.
Other than that, all is good.

Thank you for all of the work,
Phil

Something that could facilitate the new user... i.e. how to start a thread, how to take full benefit of this website.etc
Other than that it is good.:applause:

This site is tremendous. I would only ask that we all bear in mind, when we are giving advice, that there is such a huge variety in type and size of organisation and quality system, and it can be tough to interpret and implement the guidance that is given. Thanks.

If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?

Wow, if the Elsmar Cove Forums and web site was mine, I would be very happy and mimic the way Marc is adminsitering it. :D

This site is wonderful and really no major changes required. If I would really want to change, probably I would prominently have "ELSMAR COVE" mentioned. In the current scenario, it is hidden between Solutions, Post Attachment List, Failure Modes etc. All these refernces could be mentioned seperately at the bottom of the page.

Another suggestion would be the placement of advertisements. I feel instead of left side for ads, they could be made thinner and occupy both sides of the page view and the cove page could be in the middle.

Just these minor stuff. But the contents wise, this site is great.

Something that could facilitate the new user... i.e. how to start a thread, how to take full benefit of this website.etc
Other than that it is good.:applause:

Interesting. :yes:You know that we have all that? We have TOS, FAQ on starting threads, etc.

By your suggestion, maybe the site should do a little better of making it more obvious? Would that be accurate?

Overall, I really think you've done a fantastic job. Of course, I've been a poster for a long time and I was a lurker for 5 years before I actually registered, so you get used to things....

I would be proud to be the owner of such a site.

The only thing I would change is some of the layout. It could be a bit more appealing (read: easier to navigate). Other than that I like it :-) I am constantly thinking about layout.

I mainly use the "Post Last 24 Hour" page. It would be nice to be able to start a new thread directly form that page. That would be difficult, but I'll look into it.

Something that could facilitate the new user... i.e. how to start a thread, how to take full benefit of this website.etc
Other than that it is good.:applause: That exists. In fact there's a forum dedicated to How to Use the Forum Software (http://elsmar.com/Forums/forumdisplay.php?f=86). And, of course, there's also the FAQ (http://elsmar.com/Forums/faq.php).

If I would really want to change, probably I would prominently have "ELSMAR COVE" mentioned. In the current scenario, it is hidden between Solutions, Post Attachment List, Failure Modes etc. All these refernces could be mentioned seperately at the bottom of the page. I'm afraid that few people would notice them if they are only at the bottom of the page.

Another suggestion would be the placement of advertisements. I feel instead of left side for ads, they could be made thinner and occupy both sides of the page view and the cove page could be in the middle. That comes back to layout. The column width is relatively 'standard' for ads. And I've hit the limit of how many advertisements I want. I don't want to saturate the site with advertisements. Actually there are more that I rally want now, but.... As I mentioned above, I'm looking closely at layout.

I mainly use the "Post Last 24 Hour" page.I mainly use the RSS feed which I love. The only drawback is it's a "New threads feed" only and not a "New posts feed" that would update with additions to threads.

All-in-all a tremendous site, thanks Marc!

Originally Posted by Marc http://elsmar.com/Forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=238198#post238198)

If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?



This forum is the best. If only we could put a dollar value on the benefits gained....

I would add more service/features such as Webinars. Since this is an international forum, a friendly translation enabler would help many. I am sure there are many who feel intimidated to post because of their English.

I would also put a Elsmar Cove online store, offering promotional items.

Well, I think the site is wonderful. The layout doesn't really bother me that much, I manage. For me the only improvement that I would find wonderful is the organization of the data donated. As a paid member I've done a lot of downloading over a variety of subjects. Both from the theads, free files and premium files. It would be so much easier if those file were better organized so that if I was looking for lean information for example , I could find a menu with all the major lean tools in one place with the appropriate sub files underneath AND the ability to download the whole root file in one shot. Sometimes I have to do a bit of searching to find everything presented on a subject and it would be nice if it was tighter organized. Another question, is the free files on a subject tied into the premium files on the same subject? In other words am I sometimes duplicating my effort when I'm looking for information? Also since I'm speaking of information dispersal (this one probably would be pretty tough) There are a lot of times where really good info is given with a link to more. It would be nice to have a link library to special subjects that we could just go to. It could be checked out once a year to clear out any dead links. Otherwise the community and helpfulness of this site is awesome Thanks alot Marc! :thanks:

Briz

I mainly use the RSS feed which I love. The only drawback is it's a "New threads feed" only and not a "New posts feed" that would update with additions to threads. You can try out This Monitor (http://elsmar.com/Forums/vaispy.php). I'll look into the 'New Posts' aspects of the RSS feed.

I have to go out for a bit and will get to the other replies as soon as I get back.

Does the software allow "themes" to change the look of the page as far as colors and fonts and such? Maybe having a selection of themes available like I've seen in phpBB based forums.

OK, I stepped back and came into the site like I did my first time. The first thing that came to mind is reading/following the introduction box:


Welcome to the Elsmar Cove discussion forums! Registering to participate in the Elsmar Cove Forums is Free. You do have to Register (http://elsmar.com/Forums/register.php?) for many features and functions such as E-Mail Digests, Notification of New Posts and/or Threads, Personal Messaging and downloading of Post Attachments to work. If your intent is to simply scan/search for information, there is no advantage to registering. If you would like to Register, click HERE (http://elsmar.com/Forums/register.php?). If you would like to just browse the message base without registering, feel free to do so. Many of the forum software features are disabled for Unregistered Guests for security reasons. See This Thread (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=6641) for more information. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ (http://elsmar.com/Forums/faq.php?) and The Basic "How To's" in the Elsmar Cove Forums (http://elsmar.com/Forums/forumdisplay.php?f=86) forum.By proceeding to browse these forums, you are expressing your interest in receiving information for research and/or educational purposes in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.

To browse without Registering, go to the forum or discussion thread that you want to view and click on it. A 'Lock' icon on a forum only means you are not Registered and therefore you can not Start a New thread or Reply to a Post in that forum.

This message and advertisement will not show after you register. Registration is FREE!


The font is pretty small and probably would be missed. Also, you are giving up valuable first appearance space to kind of repeat things. What about, within the same space, increasing font and add links? For example:


Welcome to the Elsmar Cove Discussion Forums?
(Hyperlinks):
Just want to explore?
About registering, click here
About the discussion board software
For first time visitors, click here
NOTE:
By proceeding to browse these forums, you are expressing your interest in receiving information for research and/or educational purposes in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.


I added the link about discussion board software. Hopefully, V bulletin has a well-developed FAQ/layout on the software that may be a good start.

I remember the first time I came to this site, I just started clicking threads in the middle of the page; I didn't know what else to do. Now, I'm a little slow anyway,:bonk:but maybe if we make the introduction portal more pronounced, people would not get so confused.

I would have a version that can be easily accessed via smart-phones, PDA phones, blackberry-like devices...It is painful to navigate this site in a little screen...:cool:

I would make it mandatory the installation of grumpiness-meters or other types of grumpiness-deterrent devices to the keyboards of Covers. If anyone is suffering from excessive levels of grumpiness, the keyboard would lock up so they could not post. Just like an automotive breathalyzer prevents an inebriated person from driving. After all, Covers should not let Grumpy Covers post. Like MADD (http://www.madd.org/), we would have PAGC - People against Grumpy Covers.:tg:

Marc, I think this place is simply AWESOME !! But as everthing needs improvement, I would make it easier for people to post a new thread... the only way I have found to do this is by going into the correct forum and clicking on the New Thread option... if there is any easier way, I don´t know about it... but making the process inverted might make it easier... first click on NEW THREAD button somewhere obvious on the page and THEN choose the correct forum it should be in...

Just my :2cents: to try to make this forum even better !

Hi All! I'm still learning as I go but something that would be very helpful, at least to me:rolleyes: would be having different sections that deal with different certification standards, for example, TS separate from standards for medical devices, or aerospace etc.

I have found myself reading about the wrong stuff a couple of times just because of the search I performed at the time.

Thanks to everyone for posting great information!
Cathy:thanx:

Hi All! I'm still learning as I go but something that would be very helpful, at least to me:rolleyes: would be having different sections that deal with different certification standards, for example, TS separate from standards for medical devices, or aerospace etc.

I have found myself reading about the wrong stuff a couple of times just because of the search I performed at the time.

Thanks to everyone for posting great information!
Cathy:thanx:

Welcome, Cathy :D

There are separate forums for different subjects. Have a look here (http://elsmar.com/Forums/index.php) (scroll down).
When you're reading a post, if you look up towards the top of the page you can see which forum you're in.

Before I start I think the forum is awesome and is the best out there for quality subjects. I need to be careful with threads like this because I am one of those "idea" guys that have trouble doing the application. So here goes, maybe these exist and I just don't know about them.


When I type in elsmar.com its hard to find the discussion forum

Make a forum for some of the consultants and professionals on here to upload streaming training videos where people can pay for them using paypal and give them a commission or royalties. Boy would I love a good 6 hr session on FMEAs and Control Plans, or Core Tools in general. Better yet make them affordable so people could download them and use them for commercial use and undercut certain other cites that charge rediculous amounts.

Make a forum for live streaming seminars, where people could sign up for them, some free some for pay (paypal).Thats a few, more to come!

Suggestion for improvement...

I would change the www.elsmar.com home page. Fewer and shorter text blocks, more links to more detailed information that is now on the front page. This would make the home page more inviting. In general visitors do not take the time to read the information. I think that the most important click is the "When you have questions....." (hit page down twice to get here).

For the users: When writing a questions and/or replies, think that any one in world can read this. Different cultures, different jargon, different time zone, etc. (I know not that is not easy. I am used to the US way of life after moving here 16 years ago)

For the rest: Marc, you should be proud of your site and the contributors that hang out here.

1. I would add more service/features such as Webinars.
2. Since this is an international forum, a friendly translation enabler would help many. I am sure there are many who feel intimidated to post because of their English.
3. I would also put a Elsmar Cove online store, offering promotional items.
1. I'll address the Webinars issue here, as several people mentioned this.

I don't have a production facility to do something like Webinars. I'm not really a 'business' oriented person, I should add. I suppose I could buy some for resale, but that comes back to making business deals with someone or a company. I admit I've never looked into doing something like that, but I'm not sure it would really be profitable.

That said, if anyone here thinks its a good idea and sees a way to do it, I'm willing to listen to any propositions.

An alternative is for people to recommend Webinars in threads. Technically I *could* set up a specific forum for recommendations, but currently we do have the Book, Video, Blog and Web Site Reviews and Recommendations (http://elsmar.com/Forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31) forum. Might that work if I renamed it? Or as a sub-forum?

2. Translation is an issue that I have fought with in the past. Some years back there was a way to put in links to translate pages. Technically, if I remember correctly, it was a 'relay' to a Babblefish page. But - That was for html pages, not the forum. That's a whole different world.

I would be more anxious to have a translation ability, even a redirect to Babblefish (or Google or where ever), but I haven't seen any 'mod' or other way to put in such a link.

A secondary problem, which has been discussed over the years several times (at least), is the failures of translation engines. Anyone can check this aspect out by translating a few paragraphs from their native language to another language and then take that and translate it back.

A lot of people who speak poor English do post here, and while I'm sure you are correct that many people are 'intimidated' and not want to post, I honestly have no idea how to address that issue. I did talk to some people in Thailand when I was there a couple of years ago and they said they visit the site a lot, but the said they typically visited forums in their own country which, of course, are in their native language.

3. The Online store has been discussed before. There are two issues.

The first is through out the years I've tried to stay away from commercialism. I did end up accepting advertising (starting with AdSense in late Dec 2003) because it simply became too expensive to keep the site online, not to mention my time in keeping everything running, etc. I'm not too much into selling coffee mugs and such. I think they're over priced, among other things.

With this in mind, we can resurrect this existing discussion thread: Cove T-Shirts - What do you think? (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=12449)

The big problem is the graphics. I'm definitely not an artist...

For me the only improvement that I would find wonderful is the organization of the data donated. As a paid member I've done a lot of downloading over a variety of subjects. Both from the theads, free files and premium files. It would be so much easier if those file were better organized so that if I was looking for lean information for example , I could find a menu with all the major lean tools in one place with the appropriate sub files underneath AND the ability to download the whole root file in one shot. Sometimes I have to do a bit of searching to find everything presented on a subject and it would be nice if it was tighter organized. Yes - This is a very valid point. I have a 'list' and this is on it, especially with respect to the 'Premium Access Directory (http://elsmar.com/join.html)'.

The files in the 'Free Files Directory (http://elsmar.com/pdf_files/)' - I'm not sure what to do with that directory. Over the years it has sorta been a 'dumping ground' for various files of all types. There was never a real plan for that directory. In the early days of the site I did put pdf files there. Many were pdf files of my courses. If I remember correctly I set that directory up after I stopped giving my editable powerpoint files away and started charging for the editable data files in an effort to offset some of the server/site coses around 2001. I'll put Free Files Directory on my 'Thinking about it' list.

Files attached to forum posts (http://elsmar.com/Forums/fileslist.php) - There's not much I can do here. The listing isn't evden part of vBulletin. That's a sadly lacking feature in vBulletin. That is a script from an old mod that I paid a fellow to 'fix' to work with this version of vBulletin. The main drawback there is people using file names which really identify the file contents, which is something I have little control over. Now and again I do literally go in and download the file, rename it 'appropriately' and then re-upload it. But, I can't do that with every file that every person attaches. I spend a lot of time in the forums but catching all the files with names that don't reflect their content (e.g.: What is 03.03.06.doc ?) and downloading them, renaming them, and re-uploading them would be very time consuming. Not to mention, I simply don't have the time to read every post in every thread. Years ago, when there wasn't so much involved, it wouldn't have been a problem. But these days there's just too much going on to read everything.

Another question, is the free files on a subject tied into the premium files on the same subject? In other words am I sometimes duplicating my effort when I'm looking for information? There are files in the Free Files directory that are in the Premium Restricted Access Directory. But, there are many more files in the Premium Restricted Access Directory including most of the editable data files. You will also find that there are some files that are post attachments that are also in the Free Files directory and/or in the Premium Restricted Access Directory. These are usually files I think are 'good' for one reason or the other.

Not many people 'buy' access to the Premium Restricted Access Directory, but that is the directory I need to focus on cleaning up. There was a girl who offered to help. She was even going to translate files into Spanish for me. But, it was a 'deal' where she offered to help if I would give her copies of the files for free. I've been 'bitten' like that several times, but got bit again. I've head from her (maybe a him - who knows) a few times, but nothing ever came of it. I even offered to pay for the help and the translations, but alas.... The person just wanted the files and that was pretty much it.

If anyone is interested in such a project, let me know. I'm willing to pay.

Also since I'm speaking of information dispersal (this one probably would be pretty tough) There are a lot of times where really good info is given with a link to more. It would be nice to have a link library to special subjects that we could just go to. It could be checked out once a year to clear out any dead links. That was (is?) the idea of the Book, Video, Blog and Web Site Reviews and Recommendations (http://elsmar.com/Forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31) forum. Could you give me a more clear understanding of your vision?

Does the software allow "themes" to change the look of the page as far as colors and fonts and such? Maybe having a selection of themes available like I've seen in phpBB based forums. Yes it does. As some of you may know, a major vBulltetin update is coming out in the next couple of months. I won't do anything until after that is released and I've updated the forum here, but I can look into 'themes' (aka 'skins'). Up to this point I've tried to keep things simple with a readable font and layout.

OK, I stepped back and came into the site like I did my first time. The first thing that came to mind is reading/following the introduction box:
---INTRO BOX in Referenced Post---
The font is pretty small and probably would be missed. Also, you are giving up valuable first appearance space to kind of repeat things. What about, within the same space, increasing font and add links? For example:

I added the link about discussion board software. Hopefully, V bulletin has a well-developed FAQ/layout on the software that may be a good start.

I remember the first time I came to this site, I just started clicking threads in the middle of the page; I didn't know what else to do. Now, I'm a little slow anyway,:bonk:but maybe if we make the introduction portal more pronounced, people would not get so confused. I'll take a look at that. I am looking at the site and forum layouts. The Intro Box you are referring to is a remnant of some suggestions a Google rep made some time back. It's kinda a long story. I agree that should be revised.

I would have a version that can be easily accessed via smart-phones, PDA phones, blackberry-like devices...It is painful to navigate this site in a little screen... Technically there is a pdf pda 'view', but I've never seen it as I don't have one to try it on. Try this and let me know what you see. Go to http://Elsmar.com/Forums/archive/index.php/ and look in the upper right of the screen. There is a 'PDA' link. Click on it and let me know what you see. I'm sure it's limited, but I'm curious as to what the link shows on a PDA myself. I assume its just an index view.

I would make it mandatory the installation of grumpiness-meters or other types of grumpiness-deterrent devices to the keyboards of Covers. If anyone is suffering from excessive levels of grumpiness, the keyboard would lock up so they could not post. Just like an automotive breathalyzer prevents an inebriated person from driving. After all, Covers should not let Grumpy Covers post. Like MADD (http://www.madd.org/), we would have PAGC - People against Grumpy Covers.:tg: Ummm.....

I would make it easier for people to post a new thread... the only way I have found to do this is by going into the correct forum and clicking on the New Thread option... if there is any easier way, I don´t know about it... but making the process inverted might make it easier... first click on NEW THREAD button somewhere obvious on the page and THEN choose the correct forum it should be in... In older versions of vBulletin, and most of the forum software, there were more links to start new posts in more places. They went away because people would post anywhere they saw the New Post button. If it wasn't in the specific forum they were in, they'd end up posting in a totally inappropriate forum. As evidence that I have tried to address this issue, while most of you can't see it there is a special notice that comes up when anyone with less than 5 posts tries to start a New Thread. They are required to 'Double Check' that they are putting their post in the 'appropriate' forum. The 5 post limit was set because I don't want to be putting an extra box up every time anyone starts a new post for fear of 'bothering' them. The idea is, at least for the first five posts it 'teaches' people to be aware of the forum they are posting in. I don't know how much it helps as I have no measureables. I know that it is common, even with that 'Double Check', for people to post in an 'inappropriate' forum. I think some of that, if not most, is the language issue.

There are some facets of the software design that seem less appropriate to experienced users than to new visitors. This is one where I would be reluctant to try to change. I know there is a request for a Start New Thread button on the Search Results page. I can understand that for experienced users this would less of a problem than for new users. I will look into whether it's an easy code change to add. I'm thinking it probably won't be because all the current hooks are to the forum the person is in when they start a new thread.

When I type in elsmar.com its hard to find the discussion forum I have tried to keep the headers relatively consistent throughout the site. Every page header has a direct link to the forum home page (the main forum listing).

Making an entry page is a bit tricky. I have tried to make that first page rather short (top to bottom) and I tried to clearly link to most of the forums directly from the front page.

There is a learning curve with every web site. I have tried to present a site home page with clear links to the forums with this in mind. There is the web site 'proper' (which is now essentially defunct) and there is the forum end. Once someone gets into the forum end, they should quickly find the forum home page. I know when I go to a web site and my interest is in the forum, I go to the forum home page and Bookmark it so I go there without an intermediary (the site home page).

I mention the 'Learning Curve' aspect because now and again I myself still run across something I hadn't noticed before, and I've been using the software intimately for over 7 years now. Just like with Microsoft's Word', or just about any complex software, there are many 'features' that even after using it for years you find something you didn't know about before.

Make a forum for some of the consultants and professionals on here to upload streaming training videos where people can pay for them using paypal and give them a commission or royalties. Boy would I love a good 6 hr session on FMEAs and Control Plans, or Core Tools in general. Better yet make them affordable so people could download them and use them for commercial use and undercut certain other cites that charge rediculous amounts. Make a forum for live streaming seminars, where people could sign up for them, some free some for pay (paypal). Could do this, but as I mentioned above in replying to michellemmm, it takes more than me. I can probably set up a way to do this, but it takes people who have such presentations/training materials (etc.) to make it work. If anyone is interested in this aspect, please PM me and let me know.

I have though of this in the past. Some years back I bought a Mac 8500 AV machine with that in mind. I have courses I used to give on things like APQP. I wanted to put them on video for play over the internet and/or to sell on tapes (DVDs weren't around back then). But, that was probably 7 or 8 (maybe 10) years ago. After I got the Mac 8500 I found that it was really only good for small (as in picture size as well as file size) Quicktime 'movies' with slow frame rates. A good video computer setup and system would have set me back around US$15K to US$20K back them. While its cheaper now days, and I could technically make them with equipment I currently have, I'll admit I'm not as motivated as I was to set up a 'stage' and do videos. I'd probably be more interested if someone was interested in participating with me, but then again. Yes, I'm getting old and I don't have the 'fire' I used to have.

I would change the www.elsmar.com home page. Fewer and shorter text blocks, more links to more detailed information that is now on the front page. This would make the home page more inviting. In general visitors do not take the time to read the information. I think that the most important click is the "When you have questions....." (hit page down twice to get here). Yup - See reply to BradM above.

For the users: When writing a questions and/or replies, think that any one in world can read this. Different cultures, different jargon, different time zone, etc. (I know not that is not easy. I am used to the US way of life after moving here 16 years ago)

Much of the stuff contained in Marc's post above is interesting and important. One item which seems relatively easy to "mistake proof" is this Files attached to forum posts (http://elsmar.com/Forums/fileslist.php) - There's not much I can do here. The listing isn't even part of vBulletin. That's a sadly lacking feature in vBulletin. That is a script from an old mod that I paid a fellow to 'fix' to work with this version of vBulletin. The main drawback there is people using file names which really identify the file contents, which is something I have little control over. Now and again I do literally go in and download the file, rename it 'appropriately' and then re-upload it. But, I can't do that with every file that every person attaches. I spend a lot of time in the forums but catching all the files with names that don't reflect their content (e.g.: What is 03.03.06.doc ?) and downloading them, renaming them, and re-uploading them would be very time consuming. Not to mention, I simply don't have the time to read every post in every thread. Years ago, when there wasn't so much involved, it wouldn't have been a problem. But these days there's just too much going on to read everything.
It seems to me we might reduce the number of inaptly named file attachments by adding text to the popup when adding attachments which asks:
Since your attachment will be available in a folder with many other attachments (not just available ONLY in the thread where you upload it), have you given (or renamed) it a title which adequately describes the content and will make it easy for someone to find in a search by title?"

One of the problems folks have with integrating legacy files into new electronic document management systems is the problem of adding "metatags" to each legacy file which complete fields for items like

author
title
date
version
subject or topic
key words
associated documentsAt some point, we could add a popup grid for file uploaders to complete such fields on all new uploads, but we'd still be left with all the legacy files with titles like "new document.doc" or "spread sheet.xls."

Much of the stuff contained in Marc's post above is interesting and important. One item which seems relatively easy to "mistake proof" is this It seems to me we might reduce the number of inaptly named file attachments by adding text to the popup when adding attachments which asks:
Since your attachment will be available in a folder with many other attachments (not just available ONLY in the thread where you upload it), have you given (or renamed) it a title which adequately describes the content and will make it easy for someone to find in a search by title? I will look at that text and see if changes can be made there.

OK - as an extended discussion for us all to think about. Let me put the old 'pdf_files' directory and the Premium Restricted directory files aside for a moment and focus on the forum files - Files attached to posts in discussion threads.

I should also put everyone on notice that within (probably) 2 months (I expected March, but now I'm thinking it will be April) vBulletin will be releasing a *significant* update (Beta 4 was released in mid-January). When they do I'll wait a couple weeks to see how stable it is, but the forum here will be shut down, probably for several hours, whilst I update the software. That said, as we discuss issues here and now the intent is to get ideas and take the ones which relate to vBulletin (as opposed to the site in general) into consideration for changes after the upgrade. At this point, I have no ideas which 'mods' I have installed will continue to work, not to mention many, many template customizations I have made. So - Right now there are a lot of 'unknowns'.

For those of you interested in the New vBulletin 'features' which this release will bring (not the least of which is technically 'document control' where every change made to any post or thread will be tracked and archived) many new features (another is 'Personal Blogs' for each registered visitor {aka 'user', aka 'member'}) are being introduced. They are listed here: vBulletin 3.7 First Look (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249460).

We must also bear in mind that the forum runs on 'canned' software (vBulletin). As we discuss issues, we have to remember that canned software always has limitations. In the case of big companies, a coder can be hired to make changes. In my case, I have to find someone who is experienced with vBulletin, and believe me a good coder isn't easy to find. There is also the cost issue, but that is rarely a big issue compared to finding someone who can do what I want. For those interested, I have to find someone here (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30), and my experience is it isn't always easy to find someone who can and will code exactly what one wants. I got lucky on the php file that lists attachments. This is important to us here. I'm continually amazed it isn't built into vBulletin, but apparently although vBulletin is very popular forum software few people are interested in an over all listing and search of post attachments. I mention this because as we discuss issues such as: ...adding "metatags" to each legacy file which complete fields for items like
author
title
date
version
subject or topic
key words
associated documentsAt some point, we could add a popup grid for file uploaders to complete such fields on all new uploads, but we'd still be left with all the legacy files with titles like "new document.doc" or "spread sheet.xls."
To do something like that here will require some serious coding that I would have to hire out. I don't mind doing that, but I can't guarantee I can find some who can/will code in a 'pop-up' (for example). Not to mention one has to be very careful, because many people use 'pop-up blockers' in their web browser (I know I do). It would also *probably* require database changes. This seriously complicates matters. It's one thing to code a front end aspect to pull from and write to existing database fields. It's quite another to be a database expert. Fields would have to be added and inter-relation hooks/calls/writes integrated where necessary.

And you are right about legacy documents. There are a couple thousand attached files right now. I know I wouldn't have time to go through them all, and hiring someone to do it would be problematic, to say the least, not to mention expensive (remember, I'm not a big company with big pockets).

Another is a mod (which I do not have installed) which is a file attachment mod where people can upload files to a 'forum' with fields such as above, if I remember correctly. But - The 'mod' (aka 'hack) only worked for Picture files.

I will continue to look at ways to make identification of, and searching, files attached in posts as easy as possible.

As to users, the 'pop-up' idea with extra fields is nice. I know some people wouldn't 'get the idea', but it would probably be a very big big help.

Right now, the only thing we have is to 'ask' people to name a file appropriately. The failure mode is that most people have a file named on their computer, they browse to it and upload it with that name. Sometimes the name is 'relevant', often it isn't.

I will say I have gone through several hundreds of files over the last year or so and downloaded them, renamed them, deleted the original file from the post and re-upload the file with the new name. I have also gone so far as to go into the raw database and change the name of files there. It takes time to ID the file and change the name. You can tell that I did this to a file if you download a file and the downloaded file has a different name from that in the post it is in (changing the file name in the database only changes the displayed name, not the original file name). I mention this because I want everyone to know I take File Names seriously, just as I do Thread Titles. They are very important so that they can be found in searches.

If the old adage of "Content is King" holds true, then this forum is it.

Your place is a true "God send". This place is a real "think tank" type of environment and I love it! I can't think of any other place I'd rather be.

The intelligence, experience, and maturity level of all the participants here in this forum has far exceeded my expectations! :applause:

I am fairly new to the sight even though I have dropped in to do searches and such for years. I have spoken highly of it and given my fair share of kudos to it as well. I have encouraged colleagues to sign on and contribute. If there was an even better way to get the word out about this neat sight I would say there may be an opportunity for improvement.

If there was an even better way to get the word out about this neat sight I would say there may be an opportunity for improvement.

Hello Bob,

Word of mouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_mouth) is the best advertisement. When you talk to your colleagues in the quality or related fields, you can always mention The Cove Forums. I have a link to The Cove Forums on my website. Also, during my seminars and courses, I always mention this resource. I am still amazed how many folks have never heard about it.

Stijloor.

Technically there is a pdf 'view' I am sure you meant a pda view, but like you mentioned, it is useless.

A feature that could be useful for a future release would be a way to quickly "invite" a specific member to offer comments on a specific thread or post. My idea is to have an icon somewhere on the top row of a post. When clicked, you would identify the member you would like to invite to comment on that post.

The people receiving the invitation would be made aware either via a PM or some other clear mean. They would click on the message and be taken directly to the post in question. They could obviously decline to offer a comment and the feature could also be turned off.

I am sure you meant a pda view Yes, I stand corrected.

A feature that could be useful for a future release would be a way to quickly "invite" a specific member to offer comments on a specific thread or post. My idea is to have an icon somewhere on the top row of a post. When clicked, you would identify the member you would like to invite to comment on that post.

The people receiving the invitation would be made aware either via a PM or some other clear mean. They would click on the message and be taken directly to the post in question. They could obviously decline to offer a comment and the feature could also be turned off. An interesting idea. I'll look into it. I've not seen anyone in any of the vB community suggest anything like this. Notification of the person you would be inviting would have to be by PM, so....

As a Heads Up to everyone, a major update to the vBulletin software is expected within 6 weeks (I'm sorta guessing - it is currently in Release Candidate 1 status (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263909)). There will be few, if any, updates until then because of the extensive changes. For those of you who are interested, this is the 'essential features' thread about it at the vBulletin site: vBulletin version 3.7 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249460).

If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?I know that very few would agree with me on this, but if I had my own forum, I would not allow for anonymity. Only members that are willing to fully disclose their identity and professional affiliations would be allowed to interact. The issue of posting under cover has been discussed a number of times here. When I weigh the pros and cons, I reach a conclusion that anonymity is counterproductive for the healthy exchange of ideas.

I do understand, however, opposing views.

I do understand, however, opposing views.That's good as it allows some of us to describe internal company operations, sometimes failures, without fear of divulging sensitive information or incriminating anyone.

If I published my company name, I'd be much more guarded about discussing systemic problems or my personal career objectives.

Thanks for tolerating the anonymous!

If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?

Not very much. This site is what I thought the Internet could be when I first went online back in 89?

I guess my only improvments would be
1. some guidance on file naming to promote consistency and ease of search and

2. An occasional reminder that we were all newbies at something some time in our lives and as my Mom said / still says: "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."

When I weigh the pros and cons, I reach a conclusion that anonymity is counterproductive for the healthy exchange of ideas.


Care to share the rationale?

I actually agree with this - I think it would promote civility. Much easier to "flip someone the bird" while anonymously in one's car vs. doing that to a neighbor.

I know that very few would agree with me on this, but if I had my own forum, I would not allow for anonymity. Only members that are willing to fully disclose their identity and professional affiliations would be allowed to interact. The issue of posting under cover has been discussed a number of times here. When I weigh the pros and cons, I reach a conclusion that anonymity is counterproductive for the healthy exchange of ideas.

I do understand, however, opposing views.

Sid,

Not all users have the blessing of their companies to do this. I for one, have been told I am free to use this site, partcipate as I see fit, as long as I divulge nothing about the company name, location, contact info and such.

In addition to that - there is the issue of cyber safety - and many users are single women/moms that do not want any personal info floating around out there.

Sid,

Not all users have the blessing of their companies to do this. I for one, have been told I am free to use this site, partcipate as I see fit, as long as I divulge nothing about the company name, location, contact info and such.

In addition to that - there is the issue of cyber safety - and many users are single women/moms that do not want any personal info floating around out there.

I second what Carol said. My boss knows I'm here, but he doesn't know "who" I am. I feel more comfortable discussing issues, both with specifics here in my current position, and ambitions/suggestions for others. He wouldn't mind, I'm sure, but others here might not see it in it's intended light.

I also concur with the second point, anyone can read what is posted here, and though I am happy to meet any of you (and I have), I don't want a "lurker" to latch on, having experienced that in the past (not on this site). I prefer to be "mostly" anonymous.

I will say at least listing a state/country is a good thing, as it almost fosters a feeling of a "Secret Society" when you bump into another cover. That makes it more fun. :cool:

I don't want a "lurker" to latch on, having experienced that in the past (not on this site).


:topic:
I've experienced some strange people on other sites, too, Mustang!

Match.com, eHarmony.com, Yahoo Personals.com.....................:lmao:

- to keep all members active by sending them greetings / some kind of monthly newsletter about site and key issues can be sent to all. (automatic mail system)

- while reading the handout it goes / move away immediately before complete reading. Can you pls increase the time limit or give chance to the reader to decide. If he moves the cursor only it should go away i mean the handout / pop message.

Sridhar

while reading the handout it goes / move away immediately before complete reading. Can you pls increase the time limit or give chance to the reader to decide. If he moves the cursor only it should go away i mean the handout / pop message.


What sort of "handout" or message are you referring to?

I completely understand the need for some, if not many, folks to have anonymity here in the Cove. Sadly, we had one issue a year or so ago where one of our very active members, noted for valuable advice on things like mind mapping and other helpful organizational and presentation techniques was a little more candid than his bosses at a very large corporation were comfortable with and he was severely chastised and dead ended on his career track as a result.

More than most, I sympathize with Sidney's dismay at some folks who are extremely bad "netizens" who hide behind anonymity to take potshots and level mean barbs and comments at other members. I certainly have suffered my share of such anonymous snipers (I call the anonymous ones "coward!")

In fact, over the years, the administrators and moderators have VERY rarely "fired" someone from the Cove for such bad manners. When such a person has been banned, the offenses (almost always plural and escalating over a series of posts from mean to pure evil) were so egregious, there was unanimous agreement among the moderators and administrators for such action. Normally, most are brought into a semblance of civility by receiving a personal message from a moderator or Marc, himself.

For the public members of the Cove who are irritated by such anonymous cowards, we moderators suggest using the "ignore" button by clicking on the user Profile of the miscreant and choosing the "ignore" option which appears in the blue navigation bar just below the user name. The effect will be to hide ALL that person's posts from you whenever you visit the Cove. What the cowards and bullies desire most is an audience - either sycophants who goad them on or victims who whine and complain. Ignoring them robs them of that audience.

Others who prefer "some" action, can refrain from posting a snappy retort (and thus escalating and adding fuel to the bully's fire) by simply clicking on the "report post" button, together with an explanation, and thus buck the problem to ALL the moderators who will come to a consensus on how to deal with the poster so reported.

Some of the anonymous evil doers have been so irritating, we moderators have discussed "outing" them by tracking back their REAL email address which is hidden from the public by the Cove software.

Such banning for bad conduct is completely separate from the routine manner in which the moderators and administrators ban commercial spammers (cell phone idiots are the most frequent.) WE appreciate ALL members helping us kill these spam messages by clicking on the "report post" button when you spot an obvious commercial spammer.

I love the Cove. Generally a site like this is only as good as the regular posters, and you have several who are fantastic.

If I had to make a suggestion, a modern content management system may be easier for everyone in that it handles different media and types of pages natively, and in my opinion you have a lot of pages and whatnot that are not entirely suited to the bulletin board/forum format.

I love Drupal (http://drupal.org), but it's familiar to me because I work with it every day. It's really easy to use and your biggest difficulty would be in transitioning the vast amount of current content.

In fact, since I have some experience in that area, I may be able to help out - pro bono. Keep in mind that I'd be doing it in my spare time, so it would take longer than someone working on it full time though. Let me know if you're interested in exploring it as an option.

Good Luck,
Rene

Great site, but agree the search engine could do with some tweaking.

Maybe a section dedicated to particular locations where people could discuss and organize to meet ?

Thanks for the suggestions/ feedback.:)

Great site, but agree the search engine could do with some tweaking.


Agreed.:yes: Much of the limitations of the search engine is inherent to the VBulletin software. Marc has elaborated on that several times. Don't forget about Google; it is so powerful it may yield an effective search result for you also.

As you probably know, there are several helpful threads on searching the forum, if you haven't seen them.

Maybe a section dedicated to particular locations where people could discuss and organize to meet ?

Now that we do!! Look here:
Meet a fellow Cover (http://elsmar.com/Forums/forumdisplay.php?f=154)

Feel free to post when you are going to be traveling or when someone will be in your area. I don't think any Covers bite!:lol: Randy might, unless you feed him first!:lmao:

Great site, but agree the search engine could do with some tweaking. I don't see the vBulletin people changing the Search code. This is a problem with all 'bulletin board' software that I am aware of. My suggestion is to use the built-in vBulletin Search for normal scan searches, and to use the Google Site Search in the forum main Search page (it's at the top of the page) for more 'precise' searches of the Elsmar site. I use it a lot myself.

Maybe a section dedicated to particular locations where people could discuss and organize to meet ? As noted in another post, this exists.

If I had to make a suggestion, a modern content management system may be easier for everyone in that it handles different media and types of pages natively, and in my opinion you have a lot of pages and whatnot that are not entirely suited to the bulletin board/forum format. Example(s)?

I love Drupal (http://drupal.org), but it's familiar to me because I work with it every day. It's really easy to use and your biggest difficulty would be in transitioning the vast amount of current content. I didn't see an import for vBulletin database records, which is problematic if none exists, to say the least. I suspect that, with all the vBulletin code and such in existing posts, a lot of confusing 'orphaned' code would make many posts confusing.

In fact, since I have some experience in that area, I may be able to help out - pro bono. Keep in mind that I'd be doing it in my spare time, so it would take longer than someone working on it full time though. Let me know if you're interested in exploring it as an option. From your suggestion, I looked at Drupal. It looks like a decent CMS. The problem is, CMS (Content Management System) implies a 'Front Page'. There are some very good CMS modules that integrate with vBulletin (http://www.google.com/search?q=cms+vbulletin). A big 'problem' is keeping the front page relevant and updated which is something I don't want to be responsible for. (See below - This is not a 'business')

This may sound odd, but I like the site 'Home Page' (http://elsmar.com). It is simple, it is mostly text. It contains links to most of the relevant topics here. Technically I *could* keep my home page and make a 'Main Page as a front for the forum, but... Well, I've just never been impressed by CMS front ends.

In the past I looked at CMS modules. I decided I just didn't want to go that way. The Elsmar Cove history (http://elsmar.com/obsolete/Marc_Smith.html) is I started the site as more of a hobby and something to do in motel/hotel rooms because I traveled a lot back then. As most of the regulars here know, at the end of 2003 I was getting ready to shut the site down as the time required, and the server expenses and all that, just became too much. Advertising 'saved the day' in that respect, but this is, relatively, a small site which doesn't make much money. It wasn't started as a 'business', and it still really isn't a 'business'. Nor am I trying to develop it as a 'business'. It is what it is - A simple place for people interested in the forum topics can discuss issues and to find help/answers to their questions. I note this because I want to let you know that the site simply doesn't make enough money for me to hire someone to help me.

As to the site being a 'business', I have had *many* people, over the years, many people email me, or call me, to suggest different ways to make it a business. But it *almost* always came down to something along the lines of "You have a good site with potential. Here is my idea. Do it and pay me for the idea." I have never once had someone offer to invest $, yet *most* expected some $. One person, a VERY early visitor, who still visits today, but, for obvious reasons I will not name, even approached me some years ago for $ because, as the person said, they had participated a lot and the person felt I *must* be making a LOT of $, and since they were part of providing content they should be paid part of the profits.

I have to admit one of the things I like about the forum is that it is a simple forum, not connected with any company (keeping bias at bay), without a significant profit motive driving its direction. This is one reason I keep ads to a minimum (at least compared to the vast majority of sites I visit). Look at iSixsigma.com. I like the site, but the ads completely turn me off. On the other hand it is a successful business which I am sure profits handsomely. I remember a couple of years ago they were charging over US$1000 a month for an advertisement. I wish I could get that here. But, then again, I'm not out promoting this site or otherwise trying to 'sell' people on it. And I sorta feel good about it. My vision was never for the site to be a profit center. It has always pretty much been "People Helping People". This is why (my personality, if we come right down to it) I can't get excited about making a store to sell t-shirts, mugs and stuff like that. I don't want to ram paraphernalia down peoples throats or to make the Cove into a store. I don't want it to appear that this is all for profit. I guess it sounds silly, but I like the simplicity here. I think the Elsmar Cove forum is relatively unique. No one can accuse me of trying to squeeze every last dime I can get out of people.

The forum here is mainly a group of very good moderators and 'regular' visitors. Without them, there wouldn't be a forum at all. While I used to participate quite a lot, over the years the forum went far beyond my areas of expertise - So, my main role these days is keeping it running and answering all the 'Help Me' emails, and stuff like that. I hope everyone remembers the critical role the moderators and 'regular' visitors here play in keeping this forum online. As always, my Thanks to each of them.

I have to admit I wasn't impressed with the Drupal forum features, especially control. That said, in some ways it is 'better' in the sense that it is relatively simple and 'clean'. To this day there are times I could kick myself for activating too much 'flashy' stuff when I did the original config back in 2001. I liked the old UltimateBBS in that respect. But, I did what I did and we are where we are. I sorta like most of the 'flashy' stuff, but then I'm used to it. Some people, like Wes (whom I name because of his extensive use of font colors, sizes, styles, etc.), really like, and use, what I consider 'flashy to good effect.

Anyway, it's an interesting thought, but I don't see moving to new software in the near future.

I appreciate the offer to help move, however!

- to keep all members active by sending them greetings / some kind of monthly newsletter about site and key issues can be sent to all. (automatic mail system) I did a couple of 'News Letters' a few years back. The issue of 'spam' came up. People register, get the info they need, and they leave. A while later they get a 'News Letter' from the forum and *assume* it's spam from when they registered. At the time I sent out those couple of early 'News Letters', a few people reported the newsletters as spam, my ISP contacted me, it it was somewhat of a hassle. Few people look at setting their User Options (http://elsmar.com/Forums/profile.php?do=editoptions) (I'd bet the majority of people who register don't even know they have a UserCP (http://elsmar.com/Forums/usercp.php)or anything like that as is evidenced in looking at many people's profiles and such. There's garbage in many, and most of the rest contain only information requested when they registered. I *think* I know how to handle that aspect now, but a few years ago I had a fear of being labeled a spammer.

I did some relabeling here (such as in each user's settings (http://elsmar.com/Forums/profile.php?do=editoptions) which now reads: "Receive Email
If you prefer NOT to receive any general information e-mails or News Letters you can turn this option OFF by Un-Checking the box "Receive Newsletter and/or Email from Administrators". When I decided against a regular news letter I added this: Newsletters are RARELY sent out, so No - You won't be getting a bunch of unwanted emails if you check Yes."

I know a lot of people like email news letters. IF someone wants to volunteer to do one on a regular basis, I'd consider it, but I don't want to commit to one personally. I'm just not 'good' at writing 'News Letters'.

- while reading the handout it goes / move away immediately before complete reading. Can you pls increase the time limit or give chance to the reader to decide. If he moves the cursor only it should go away i mean the handout / pop message. You've lost me there...

1. some guidance on file naming to promote consistency and ease of search... I'm assuming you mean post attachments. I tried to rename attachments for a while but it became too time intensive. Many users just don't think about the importance of naming attachments correctly. I did pay a programmer for a script so we can at least search for files, which the vBulletin developers, for what ever seriously stupid reason, have never put in a way for all users to search for attachments.

I wish I could do more to get people to think about file names when they post an attachment. I have changed/added text (changed from the simple 'stock' vBulletin text) to try to draw peoples attention to the importance of file names (not to mention Thread Titles, which most people know I am totally anal about). If anyone has any suggestions, they are welcome.

Now, in the 'old' pdf_files directory (commonly known now as the 'Free Files Directory' (http://elsmar.com/pdf_files/), it is an old directory with a lot of odds and ends. It's sorta like an attic that never really gets cleaned out. In part this has come to be because I never had a 'plan' for this site. It was a hobby. Had you asked me back in 1996 how long the site would be online I probably would have laughed. Having had a 'bulletin board' back in the 1980's which ran on an Amiga, BBS-PC and a modem on a phone line, I didn't think it would be around long. Maybe a few years. It was a hobby. So - It evolved and has never left the 'hobby' stage in many ways. I doubt I will ever 'clean up' the old pdf_files directory. I've thought about it. And if one was to make this site a 'Professional', business site that would be one place to focus. I put a lot of unrelated stuff there and I kinda like its wide variety of 'stuff'. But from the point of view of this being a 'Professional', business site, it is not a good idea.

2. An occasional reminder that we were all newbies at something some time in our lives and as my Mom said / still says: "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." This does come up from time to time, but not as it did in the past. I think we're getting better at not intimidating new visitors. In part, this came from the site being small with a small core group of users. Personalities surfaced and some people - Well, some let's just say it's getting better. As evidence that we've tried to address this issue (to remind people that "...we were all newbies at something some time in our lives...") read Attitudes and Intimidation in Elsmar Cove forum Posts (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=7759). I have made the same "...we were all newbies at something some time in our lives..." statement many times. I have made it directly to quite a few people. I remember replies to questions that went along the lines of "...do your own research..." which chilled me to the bone. Good lord, that's what the person is here doing. Yes, in some cases people want to be 'spoon fed'. Personally, I've wanted 'spoon feeding' at many points in my life. In college some called me the equivalent of high school and junior highs' 'Teacher Pet' because I spent a lot of time with professors getting help/information out side of class. Not that some people do want someone else to do their work for them, but the policy here is if you don't want to help someone, then don't - But, don't make sarcastic or otherwise insulting posts.

I cannot say this has completely gone away, but compared to a few years ago it is *significantly* better. And, this goes hand in hand with people taking some posts by others 'personally' and vice versa. Many times things become 'personal' in posts in discussion threads. The moderators and I are also guilty of this from time to time, but this, too, is no where near what it used to be. I feel very confident that the moderators are much more cognizant of this and watch for it than in the past, and that we, too, are looking at our posts. Problems do come up now and again, but I think we are 'getting better'.

I know that very few would agree with me on this, but if I had my own forum, I would not allow for anonymity. Only members that are willing to fully disclose their identity and professional affiliations would be allowed to interact. The issue of posting under cover has been discussed a number of times here. When I weigh the pros and cons, I reach a conclusion that anonymity is counterproductive for the healthy exchange of ideas. You've gotten some feedback on this, and I understand it, but as the responses show for an environment like this the forum would die a quick death if aliases were not allowed.

Marc,

I just wanted to say thanks for a great forum and thanks to all the moderators and frequent visitors. This is *BY FAR* the most useful web site I have seen for work and much more useful than a majority of the web sites I visit for personal interests. The only two that came close are Myrtle Beach Golf Talk which uses delphi and an old, old Compuserve gardening forum.

If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?
I don't know if this is technically possible Marc, but I would add an automatic refresh to the pages, especially the "posts last 24 hours" and perhaps the user CP too, so that as new posts came in the page refreshed to show them. A pretty small comment for such a great site, but having the site "live" in the browser would be a cool feature - especially when a thread is being discussed at high speed across the world and the responses are flooding in.

Keep up the great work,

Jimmy

I don't know if this is technically possible Marc, but I would add an automatic refresh to the pages, especially the "posts last 24 hours" and perhaps the user CP too, so that as new posts came in the page refreshed to show them. A pretty small comment for such a great site, but having the site "live" in the browser would be a cool feature - especially when a thread is being discussed at high speed across the world and the responses are flooding in.

Keep up the great work,

Jimmy

I think the constant refreshing would get irritating after a time.

I think the constant refreshing would get irritating after a time.
You're probably right Jim, especially when traffic is high. Perhaps a 2 minute refresh like they put on sports event websites - frequent enough to be useful, but not constantly flashing new messages. Just a thought.

I don't know if this is technically possible Marc, but I would add an automatic refresh to the pages, especially the "posts last 24 hours" and perhaps the user CP too, so that as new posts came in the page refreshed to show them.We tried Auto-Refresh at one time. Probably 5 years or so ago. People would be writing posts or such and it would wipe them out because the refresh goes above the page header so every page would refresh.

After the upgrade (probably in 2 weeks) I'll look into refreshes again.

If you want to monitor what's being posted in 'real time', you can use the VIASpy page (http://elsmar.com/Forums/vaispy.php). It refreshes every 30 seconds or something like that. It's pretty frequent. I know some people use it because the server logs show a lot of activity.

If you want to monitor what's being posted in 'real time', you can use the VIASpy page (http://elsmar.com/Forums/vaispy.php). It refreshes every 30 seconds or something like that. It's pretty frequent. I know some people use it because the server logs show a lot of activity.
Cool, thanks Marc. Is there anyway of navigating to VIAspy from the normal forum links, or do I have to save this link somewhere?

You have to bookmark the link. It makes a lot of server calls so I don't put it in as visible link. It's perfectly OK to use it, though. So far I haven't noticed any server issues other than larger server log files, so if you like it use it. That's why I put it in. Technically it's a vBulletin 'mod'. It's not part of the vBulletin script set.

I personally don't use it because I use the '24 hours' link and refresh now and again. I'm not that into monitoring every new post and/or thread minute by minute.

I must admit I do think it's a nice script, though.

If the Elsmar Cove Forums and Web Site was Yours, What would you do to Improve?


Good question. I think I would use this as an opportunity to improve the national economy and offer a payment of $5 for each post. LOL.
Seriously, there is a tremendous amount of information available on this site and I think it is very well organized. I also like the notification I get when someone responds to a thread to which I have previously responded.

I love Drupal (http://drupal.org), but it's familiar to me because I work with it every day. It's really easy to use and your biggest difficulty would be in transitioning the vast amount of current content. I saw this recently and figured I'd reference it as an FYI Building Powerful and Robust Websites With Drupal 6 (http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/30/1346258).

:rolleyes: hmm... well, I would probably improve the browsing system by marking where the user has been, so he will know the topics he/she has been… and when he/she goes to that topic, he/she will be directed to last page where he/she has been and not always to start on 1st page…

:rolleyes: hmm... well, I would probably improve the browsing system by marking where the user has been, so he will know the topics he/she has been… and when he/she goes to that topic, he/she will be directed to last page where he/she has been and not always to start on 1st page… *Assuming* you have Cookies enabled, when you visit a thread from a 'New Post' email notification you will start at the newest post since your last visit to that thread.

If you have not posted in the thread you want to follow, you can 'Subscribe' to that thread and get email notification of new posts.

By Subscribing to a thread (or a forum) you will not have to go back to the beginning of the thread, and you will get a notification - See your UserCP to set the various associated options. You have a lot more control than you think.

http://elsmar.com/gif/Subscribe_Link_550.gif

And, as you view Forum listings of discussion threads, threads you have NOT visited are in BOLD font.

Nothing i really like this website!

I supposed you mean: Nothing. I really like this website. :lol: :lol:

:topic: Remember the 'hang him not, let him go' thing? or rather 'hang him, not let him go'.