If you visit the site http://www.bsi.org.uk - The directory used to be --> /bsi/news/welcome.html
and follow the instructions for BSI Projectline Database it shows publication expected 2005-01-01. Search for TR 16949.

2005???!!! I guess we don't have to worry about this standard for awhile. I tried to get to the same spot as you did, Rea, but was not able to. (My web navigation skills leave something to be desired!) I wonder, though, if this date is a misprint!

Roger

Go to http://www.bsi.org.uk /bsi/news/welcome.html
Then press Enter
Then Doc. Identifier - TR 16949
Then Enter

Then List display and enter
Then i to right hand side of page

Hope this is now clear

Rea

Rea

Just tried your directions and I couldn't find TR 16949 on the BSI website. Maybe they've updated their Website since your last visit?

Mik525
I have just checked and site address is OK

http://www.bsi.org.uk /bsi/news/welcome.html

1. Select BSI Project Database
2. To enter the Projectline Database click enter.
3. Fill in Document Identifier TR 16949 (leave one space after TR) Pres Enter at bottom of page.
4. The same page remains with "List Display" at the bottom. Click on this and then click enter.
5 New page

98 4088 ISO TR 1649 i Click on i

This gives Projectline Full Display.

Has anyone else been successful?

Rea

Got it this time, Rea, but your directions were a little bit more specific this time around. Thanks.

Rea - thanks for the additional on the bsi site. I got into it this time and saw the 2005 publication date. With all the push for this standard by the Big 3 (or so it seemed last year), it is still hard to believe that publication date!! 4-5 years away? Hmmmm...looks like QS9000 is safe for now. This standards business sure is interesting. If the requirements don't get you, the issuing of new standards will!!

I have just reviewed http://www.aiag.org /pub/ and note that

TS . . . ISO/TS 16949 - Quality Systems - Automotive suppliers - Particular
requirements for the application of ISO 9001:1994
The International Automotive Task Force, IATF, has developed an optional common
automotive catalogue based on ISO 9001:1994, which along with use of the
customer-specific requirements and the common IATF recognized registration scheme,
will satisfy the current quality system requirements for AVSQ (Italian), EAQF (French),
QS-9000 (American) and VDA6.1 (German). Note: The ISO/TS 16949 does not
replace QS-9000; It is an optional document. Use of ISO/TS 16949 will eliminate the
need for multiple certifications. The ISO/TS 16949 customer-specific manual must be
purchased separately — see below.
Status: First Edition dated March, 1999.
Member/Non-Member $15.00

Does this mean that it is officially published? In addition there is customer specifics also available.

Rea

I guess so. I'll buy the document set and comment from that point. I did not realize they are for sale.

The address, for those interested, is http://www.aiag.org /pub/dcxfordgm.html

Has anyone had a chance to review the AIAG publication of TR16949? I wonder how different it is than the version that Marc had placed in the .pdf library (but had to take out!). I guess there won't be any guidelines for certifying auditors of this standard until late 1999.

I haven't heard anything else myself, yet.

TS 16949: So much is not known and yet we all seem to be experts? B3 are only a portion of the group working on this. The IATF (International Automotive Task Force) is the driver. US, German, Italian, French and possibly-soon-to-be Japanese automakers make up this erstwhile and illustrious group.

They continue to work on and design the process which will be announced this year. Meetings continue to take place and improvement to the process continues to be engineered into the activity.

More later##