So who is going is going to rise to the top this year? Is Seattle going to send Holmgren out on top? Will the Giants make another run? Is New England getting old and fading? Will San Diego finally get over the hump?


Will there be a surprise? I'd like to see some opinions....:agree1:

So who is going is going to rise to the top this year? Is Seattle going to send Holmgren out on top? Will the Giants make another run? Is New England getting old and fading? Will San Diego finally get over the hump?


Will there be a surprise? I'd like to see some opinions....:agree1:

Be ready for the Panthers! :agree1::agree1:

The insiders consider this the most improved team (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8138500/Five-teams-that-have-made-Super-improvements) with their new acquisitions.

Stijloor.

Be ready for the Panthers! :agree1::agree1:

The insiders consider this the most improved team (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8138500/Five-teams-that-have-made-Super-improvements) with their new acquisitions.

Stijloor.

Panthers (never heard of them)?...Are they located somewhere in NC? :lmao::lmao:

I think this year it will be Steelers.

Panthers (never heard of them)?...Are they located somewhere in NC? :lmao::lmao:


just remember that comment when the Steelers get scratched by the kittycats.:cool:

just remember that comment when the Steelers get scratched by the kittycats.:cool:


The steelers are going to get bit by the dawgs!!!!!

Panthers (never heard of them)?...Are they located somewhere in NC? :lmao::lmao:

I think this year it will be Steelers.

The Moose is back! Steve Smith (best NFL receiver, ever) will no longer be doubleteamed. Jake will in better shape than ever and our offensive line will kick a$$.

Y'all better be ready wherever y'all are.....

Stijloor.

I can see I don't have to many friends here (at least from a Football Team). But, even though the Panthers may have improved from last year, the real fact:

Can they stay out of trouble with the Law?

Really if you look at where they have improved (at least by the Article) was offense, but no real mention about Special Teams and Defense. Offense with out a good defense or special teams is not a complete fighting machine.

I can see I don't have to many friends here (at least from a Football Team). But, even though the Panthers may have improved from last year, the real fact:

Can they stay out of trouble with the Law?

Really if you look at where they have improved (at least by the Article) was offense, but no real mention about Special Teams and Defense. Offense with out a good defense or special teams is not a complete fighting machine.

Special Teams? Our new kickoff returner...read here (http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/624724.html).

Stijloor.

Y'all better be ready wherever y'all are.....

Stijloor.


UM, not to get nit picky on grammar, but that is plural...All ya'll better be ready wherever ya'll are....:lmao:

Special Teams? Our new kickoff returner...read here (http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/624724.html).

Stijloor.

Local Paper I see. I could bring up articles from Local Papers to counter the Best Improved 5. :biglaugh:

Really, I am not arguing that the Panthers won't be there, it all depends on which team is the best at the time of the Game(s). Which definitely showed in this last Super Bowl.

UM, not to get nit picky on grammar, but that is plural...All ya'll better be ready wherever ya'll are....:lmao:

UM, I am not that far off.....I "studied" Southern :D...look here: Y'all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y'all).

Stijloor. (27 years of Southern experience).

The Panthers have a QB coming off Tommy John surgery...and the KR is coming off of foot surgery, that's why he dropped so far in the draft.:argue:

I USED to be a Chiefs fan but my heart is tore up from their failures. I've joined America's team..... Cowboys.:yes:

2nd fav is the Broncos:applause:

They always seem to be in the running....but the Panthers :(. They're just like the Chiefs....take to the dance but don't know how to......sorry folks....but that's my opinion.

O.K. lets not forget about the number 1 run defense and now we added Jared Allen from the Chiefs (#1 pass rusher from last year), we also have the number 1 running back from last year (rookie year) Adrian Peterson GOD can he run. Who are we THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS. We still don't have a quarterback but with the offensive line and running backs they have, I think we can do with a no talent QB.

O.K. lets not forget about the number 1 run defense and now we added Jared Allen from the Chiefs (#1 pass rusher from last year), we also have the number 1 running back from last year (rookie year) Adrian Peterson GOD can he run. Who are we THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS. We sill don't have a quarterback but with the offensive line and running backs they have, I think we can do with a no talent QB


Ummmm..... Look at the Chiefs from 2 years ago. Larry Johnson was #1 running back but no QB. It's all about controlling both sides of the ball especially on defense and 3 key players on offense....QB, RB, WR. See Colts and Giants for the formula recently.:whip:

Ummmm..... Look at the Chiefs from 2 years ago. Larry Johnson was #1 running back but no QB. It's all about controlling both sides of the ball especially on defense and 3 key players on offense....QB, RB, WR. See Colts and Giants for the formula recently.

The Giants did pretty well without a QB last year.

Who are we THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS. We still don't have a quarterback...

Neither does anyone else in the NFC North, now that Favre's gone.

My money is on the Cowboys this year...I do however love all things Boston so I can't say as I'd mind seeing the Patriots in the SB again but I would rather see some other teams there this time. Funny, I've seen a lot of folks writing the Giants off completely, but with a little luck (again) I think they stand a good chance. Either way I think there will be some good competition this year. :)

The Giants did pretty well without a QB last year.

Well, he did show up for the playoffs. It was like night and day between last of the season and beginning of season. We'll see if he is over the hump or if last year was a freak accident:frust:.

I'm a Packer homer so I'm not that objective, but despite losing Favre, the pack are coming off a 13-3 season and where the youngest team in the NFL.

I'll leave it at that.

Well, now that the dogfighting (and an hour away from Dawg town, even) stuff is behind them, counting the Falcons out at this point may lead to the consumption of another type of bird.

Crow.

I'm a Packer homer so I'm not that objective, but despite losing Favre, the pack are coming off a 13-3 season and where the youngest team in the NFL.

I'll leave it at that.

That kinda sounds like...wasn't there some team that went 17-0 or was it 18-0, or 19-0 (I guess I forgot what their season, and post season was), but lost the big one :notme:

Well, now that the dogfighting (and an hour away from Dawg town, even) stuff is behind them, counting the Falcons out at this point may lead to the consumption of another type of bird.

Crow.


Only if crow tastes like Falcon...:notme:

My money will be on the team that has the least number of players awaiting trail for whatever things they may be accused of or recovering from whatever injuries they get during their extra-curricular activities..:lol:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and call a Super Bowl match up....

San Diego vs Seattle..... that is a WAG but just a feeling I've got....:agree1:

My money will be on the team that has the least number of players awaiting trail for whatever things they may be accused of or recovering from whatever injuries they get during their extra-curricular activities..:lol:


you mean trial? or are you planning on kicking someone out to hit the trail?:biglaugh:

It can be a loooooooooong trail from the crime to the trial to the commish :lmao:.

And now we got TO acting on TV...WTH?????? talk about desperate for attention...sheesh

The poll is missing some of the other teams. Was this poll specifically created to eliminate the other teams? Where are the Steelers and some of the other teams?

New England Patriots
New York Giants
San Diego Chargers
Seattle Seahawks
Cleveland Browns
Dallas Cowboys
Cincinnati Bengals
Philadelphia Eagles
Denver Broncos
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Green Bay Packers
Tennessee Titans
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers

Is this somebodies idea of a joke? Please tell me you are kidding, or that you don't follow American Football.:mad:

The steelers are going to get bit by the dawgs!!!!!

Are you a Georgia Fan (College)? The word "dawgs" is used to refer to U of Georgia I know you aren't referring Georgia Tech (The wasps, bumble bees, honey bees or what ever they were).

I'm sorry I forgot the Steelers. They only allow 14 names in the poll and I was going from memory...bad memory....sorry

Are you a Georgia Fan (College)? The word "dawgs" is used to refer to U of Georgia I know you aren't referring Georgia Tech (The wasps, bumble bees, honey bees or what ever they were).

Coury I think they are referring to the Cleveland Browns where they have the Dawg Pound, at the stadium where the Browns play. ( I think )

Steve Smith (best NFL receiver, ever)

EVER? Look, I'm as much as a Steve Smith fan as anyone - I watched him play here at the U of U - but this is a bit presumptive at this point. He needs to at least double his current stats to even get in Steve Largent territory, never mind Jerry Rice or Art Monk or James Lofton or Cris Carter or Tim Brown or Michael Irvin.

Heck, if he triples his current TDs, he'd still only be 6th on the all-time list.

I don't think that's going to happen. :nope:

Coury I think they are referring to the Cleveland Browns where they have the Dawg Pound, at the stadium where the Browns play. ( I think )

You could be right. Their profile reflects location=Ohio.

You could be right. Their profile reflects location=Ohio.


Very good, yes Cleveland Dawgs, as in dawg pound!!

PITTSBURGH STEELERS I vote none of the above in the list.

For you Steeler fans.....:lol::nopity:

For you Steeler fans.....:lol::nopity:

We will see. :evidence:

No one complained about the Colts missing from the list either....:nope:

No one complained about the Colts missing from the list either....:nope:

Looking at the poll results there are a lot of votes missing for other teams not listed.

My vote would go to the team that is able to cheat the best and get away with it. I know they all cheat but some are a little more KRAFTY at it than others.

That being said as long as the Patriots/Cowboys/Raiders/Bills don't win I don't mind.

This is not Football!

I thought this would be a discussion about the forthcoming Euro 2008!

Imagion my horror :mg: when I realise that people are talking about another game, that is called 'Foot'ball though the majority of the game is played using there hands via passing and/ or throwing!

Hmmm, is this Handball? or Throwingball? certainly not Football. :cool:

It looks a little like Rugby, but rather slower and less dangerous and all that gear they have on, come on guys please leave it in the bedroom! :lmao:

Cheers ;)
A Manc Fan!

I changed the thread title to help prevent panic attacks among the more delicate futbal fans on the board. :notme:

Looking at the poll results there are a lot of votes missing for other teams not listed.


Is there a way to change the poll once it's started?:confused:

We're not talking "futball" but real "FOOT" ball.
Probably get some upset but running all over the place kicking a rolling ball gets a little boring:mad:. They need more scoring to make it more exciting and even then.....:notme:
they are getting ready to take "FOOT" ball world wide. Germany has embraced it (see NFL Europe) Canada has their own league and there are a lot of Mexican fans. Plus, they are playing games all over the world now....


Take your little round ball and participate in another thread...:lmao:

Is there a way to change the poll once it's started?:confused:

I think it has to be deleted and re-made.

How can you delete it? Or does a moderator need to do it upon request?

Germany has embraced it (see NFL Europe)

NFL Europe folded after the 2007 season, but there is the German Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Football_League).

How can you delete it? Or does a moderator need to do it upon request?

Yes, a moderator has to delete it.

Then we need to discuss which teams have a reasonable chance of getting to the SB and argue about that for a month or two. After that time, when we can't agree on which teams to include, a complicated voting process pattered after the Democratic primary rules will determine which teams make the poll, and then the new poll can be created and the official, final voting can begin.

But by then the 2009-10 season will have begun. :truce::whip:

How can you delete it? Or does a moderator need to do it upon request?

I believe it can be modified from the Moderator's standpoint. Would you like me or another Moderator attempt the change or just remove the poll?

Coury,

If you think it best to remove and start a new one that would be fine. If you would modify it then please add Pittsburgh and Indianapolis and remove Tennessee and Atlanta....I would like to add another line for Other.... since all 32 (or is it 31?????) teams can't be put on the list.

Please go ahead and do what is necessary....even tho you are biased being a Pittsburgh fan......:lmao:

Yes, a moderator has to delete it.

Then we need to discuss which teams have a reasonable chance of getting to the SB and argue about that for a month or two. After that time, when we can't agree on which teams to include, a complicated voting process pattered after the Democratic primary rules will determine which teams make the poll, and then the new poll can be created and the official, final voting can begin.

But by then the 2009-10 season will have begun. :truce::whip:

It would be like congress....eventually it wouldn't even look like american football but something along the lines of a combination baseball, basketball, hockey, and football. That is because they would decide to take the best of all our sports to make it one GREAT sport or some crapola like that....:lmao:

Coury,

If you think it best to remove and start a new one that would be fine. If you would modify it then please add Pittsburgh and Indianapolis and remove Tennessee and Atlanta....I would like to add another line for Other.... since all 32 (or is it 31?????) teams can't be put on the list.

Please go ahead and do what is necessary....even tho you are biased being a Pittsburgh fan......:lmao:

How about having the poll like: Which Conference do you think will go and win the Superbowl?

AFC
NFC

Please explain in your post below

That would be fine but do it by conference. 4 for each league: East, West, North South Then ask them to please explain choice in post...that would be most excellent....:agree1:

Coury,

If you think it best to remove and start a new one that would be fine. If you would modify it then please add Pittsburgh and Indianapolis and remove Tennessee and Atlanta....I would like to add another line for Other.... since all 32 (or is it 31?????) teams can't be put on the list.

Please go ahead and do what is necessary....even tho you are biased being a Pittsburgh fan......:lmao:

Don't forget the VIKINGS (please)

The Poll has now changed. You will need to re-vote.

Select the Conference and the Division you think will win.

Please explain the justification (with Team Name) in posts.

added: I selected AFC North since the Steelers will undoubtly win, in my opinion

The Poll has now changed. You will need to re-vote.

Select the Conference and the Division you think will win.

Please explain the justification (with Team Name) in posts.

added: I selected AFC North since the Steelers will undoubtly win, in my opinion

It won't let me vote....it may not let others who voted previously to vote on the new one...:mad:

It won't let me vote....it may not let others who voted previously to vote on the new one...:mad:

I will delete and start new, since that didn't work

I will delete and start new, since that didn't work

That doesn't work either. I have placed this question to all of the Moderators. At this time the Poll is closed. If anyone wishes to respond to the question, feel free to tell me the Conference (NFC or AFC) and the Division (N S E W) and I will input them into the poll, once the new has begun.

NFC North :blowup:

NFC North :blowup:

:topic: No need to be upset and raise that blood pressure. We know you are for The Purple Eaters (Vikings).

Coury,

If you think it best to remove and start a new one that would be fine. If you would modify it then please add Pittsburgh and Indianapolis and remove Tennessee and Atlanta....I would like to add another line for Other.... since all 32 (or is it 31?????) teams can't be put on the list.

Please go ahead and do what is necessary....even tho you are biased being a Pittsburgh fan......:lmao:

Keep talking...

:drunk:, this and BBQ at a game is the life....:naughty:

oh geez....another Steelers fan....:jawdrop:

oh geez....another Steelers fan....:jawdrop:

Actually, CraigH is a Falcons Fan (I believe). You better watch out who you mess with here (especially a Steelers Fan). :cool::lol:

:topic: No need to be upset and raise that blood pressure. We know you are for The Purple Eaters (Vikings).

I am not upset, and never have blood pressure problems, the explosion is what the PURPLE PEOPLE EATERS are going to do to everyone unfortunate enough to have to play against them this year.:rar::thedeal:

Falcons fan??????......:lmao:

I'm soooooo sorry.....

So here is what I got so far for the Teams:

AFC

E - Bills, Dolphins, Pats and Jets

N - Ravens, Bengals, Browns, and Steelers

S - Texans (?), Colts, Jaguars, Titans

W - Broncos, Chiefs, Raiders, and Chargers


NFC

E - Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, and Redskins

N - Bears, Lions, Packers, and Vikings

S - Falcons, Panthers, Saints, and Bucs

W - Cardinals, Rams, 49ers, and Seahawks


Who are/were the Texans (AFC-S)?

Maybe I haven't followed to much on the NFL

They are a new team. The Houston Oilers left Houston and became the Tennessee Titans. The Texans became an expansion team.

I am not upset, and never have blood pressure problems, the explosion is what the PURPLE PEOPLE EATERS are going to do to everyone unfortunate enough to have to play against them this year.:rar::thedeal:

Now I have to go with Craig H's Post:

Keep talking...

They are a new team. The Houston Oilers left Houston and became the Tennessee Titans. The Texans became an expansion team.

I knew about the Oilers change, but when did this new expansion come to be, and why in the World would they have chosen a name like the "Texans" (Don't get mad Brad M)? :notangel:

New Poll. Please Select which Conference Division do you think will win the Super Bowl this NFL Season. Please post your justification and your Teams Name.

I am not upset, and never have blood pressure problems, the explosion is what the PURPLE PEOPLE EATERS are going to do to everyone unfortunate enough to have to play against them this year.:rar::thedeal:

Did they get out on parole yet?:notme::D

the explosion is what the PURPLE PEOPLE EATERS are going to do to everyone unfortunate enough to have to play against them this year.

You and what quarterback? I hear Culpepper is available.

Do Not forget to Re-Vote due to the new poll

I changed the poll a little - seemed odd to have an NFC and AFC entry as 'don't vote' placeholders.

I changed the poll a little - seemed odd to have an NFC and AFC entry as 'don't vote' placeholders.

Thanks Scott. I knew there was a better way. I just :bonk:

Added: Cute Scott. Added two other vote potentials I see.

Thanks Scott. I knew there was a better way. I just :bonk:

Added: Cute Scott. Added two other vote potentials I see.

I couldn't delete them, and didn't want to pester anyone to delete another poll on this vitally important thread, so I changed them to, essentially, "other" - one from the USA point of view and one world view.

You and what quarterback? I hear Culpepper is available.

We did our time with Culpepper, he is gone and will never return to Minnesota. All we need is somebody who is able to hand the ball to Adrian Peterson, and throw a couple of short passes now and again.GO VIKINGS

We did our time with Culpepper, he is gone and will never return to Minnesota. All we need is somebody who is able to hand the ball to Adrian Peterson, and throw a couple of short passes now and again.GO VIKINGS

The Pack will beat the Vikes. All teams have to do is shut down Peterson. Jackson is NOT the answer at QB and until they get an answer they'll be bridesmaids...:biglaugh:

The Pack will beat the Vikes. All teams have to do is shut down Peterson. Jackson is NOT the answer at QB and until they get an answer they'll be bridesmaids...:biglaugh:

Is that all just shut him down, maybe you don't remember who Peterson is HE IS THE GUY WHO RAN FOR 296 YARDS against San Diego last year in a single game. He says he is going to break the 2000 yard mark in this his second season. Yea let the other teams shut him down when they do I'd be able to pass for 4 or 5 touchdowns a game because the whole defense will be needed to shut him down. GO VIKINGS

Is that all just shut him down, maybe you don't remember who Peterson is HE IS THE GUY WHO RAN FOR 296 YARDS against San Diego last year in a single game.
...in a season where his team finished 8-8. :cool:

In 1977 Walter Payton ran for 275 yards in a game against the Vikings (1800+ for the season), the Bears won the division and were trounced by the Cowboys in the first playoff game. You need more than a great running back, I think.

So who is going is going to rise to the top this year? Is Seattle going to send Holmgren out on top? Will the Giants make another run? Is New England getting old and fading? Will San Diego finally get over the hump?


Will there be a surprise? I'd like to see some opinions....:agree1:

Da Bears are clearly the greatest team the world has ever known, and will triumph over their worthless and weak NFC opponents, and beat their AFC opponents by a score of approximately 74-0 (eclipsing their 1940 NFL championship win of 73-0 over the worthless and weak Redskins, which victory still stands as the most lopsided in NFL history).

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Da Bears are clearly the greatest team the world has ever known, and will triumph over their worthless and weak NFC opponents, and beat their AFC opponents by a score of approximately 74-0 (eclipsing their 1940 NFL championship win of 73-0 over the worthless and weak Redskins, which victory still stands as the most lopsided in NFL history).

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Da Bears? You mean Da jokes of the Midway right. They will have a hard time beating the lowly Lions. I agree the NFC North is weak with the exception of the VIKINGS. They have the#1 run defense and they added Jared Allen the # 1 pass rusher in the NFL last year. The VIKINGS will take the NFC North to the Super Bowl this year. (My friends from Sicily gaurantee it.)

Dean,


Did you make a request on the daughter's wedding day? :lmao:

I say Seattle will make a run for the Super Bowl this year...Holmgren will treat training camp different and loosen up which will let the guys loosen up...It almost always happens that way....:cool:

I just think that it is time for the NFC to dominate for a few years now...

Whomever has the best defensive line will be the one to take it all....:2cents:

Giants will make another run...They are going to be tough 2008-09 season.
Watch out for Chargers though. They did not have LT. If he were 100% in previous season, I am pretty sure they could have beaten Patriots.

Ahhh football.... What a great sport....

I am a lowly Lions fan and when I say fan I mean it. I live in Wisconsin and work in Chicago. I take a lot of heat, but hey I am still a fan.

I tell everyone it is easy to be a lions fan. You always assume they will lose, that way if they win you can celebrate. When people try to give you grief you simply smile and say, "ok I expected them to lose". On the flip side when they win you can say, "you lost to the LIONS, come on how bad is your team this year".

It is great fun.....:lmao:

Ahhh football.... What a great sport....

I am a lowly Lions fan and when I say fan I mean it. I live in Wisconsin and work in Chicago. I take a lot of heat, but hey I am still a fan.

I tell everyone it is easy to be a lions fan. You always assume they will lose, that way if they win you can celebrate. When people try to give you grief you simply smile and say, "ok I expected them to lose". On the flip side when they win you can say, "you lost to the LIONS, come on how bad is your team this year".

It is great fun.....:lmao:


A Lions fan?:bonk:

I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry for you....:confused:

There is nothing wrong with being a Lions fan.... It is easy....

How else could I rub in every win that my teams gets.....

:agree:

Iam/was a Chiefs fan..:mad:

I gave up because getting to the dance was not enough during the 90's and losing in the new milennia just doesn't cut it.:(

It'd be one thing if they were lovable losers but not even that.

As for the Lions....when they made Matt Millen GM....:mg: He was terrible as an announcer and that has translated into what 3 No.1 picks on wideouts?:frust: puhleeze....

:sarcasm: I would rather be best at something than nothing. No one can ever take away the fact that the Lions made the worst mistake ever in hiring Millen :bonk:and then topping it by signing him to an extension :frust:.

If you put on top of that their previous bad management took the best running back every (Barry Sanders) away from the game because they did not want to commit to winning and I have sealed their fate as the worst. :mad:

So there.... The Lions are the BEST IDIOTS in the game..... :tg:

When they were running the run and shoot offense with Barry in the back field they were great to watch and could take anyone on any given day.:cool:

I used to like the Lions then and way back in the 70's.

I like Kitna making a statement about 10 games. No, it wasn't a prediction, it was a statement...:o

Maybe we could trade Peterson for Millen. Ego for Inept:lmao:

No matter what Kitna says good or bad he is trying to be the leader on the team and that is what you want from your quarterback.

If he was a shrinking violet and said nothing then I would be concerned.

The run and shoot days were great... That is probably why I am a Detroit fan... :bonk:(hit myself in the head for all the comments to come).

When I got to the age of liking sports I lived in Lansing Michigan. Barry was great, the Pistons were good, and Red Wings were good. The Tigers sucked but 3 out of 4 is not bad.

That Detroit thing has stayed with me no matter where I have lived.

I honestly think that if Detroit would have had one or two more good players during the run and shoot era they could have done something. Plus no matter what anyone tells me firing Wayne Fontes was another very poor choice by the Lions.

No matter what Kitna says good or bad he is trying to be the leader on the team and that is what you want from your quarterback.

If he was a shrinking violet and said nothing then I would be concerned.

The run and shoot days were great... That is probably why I am a Detroit fan... :bonk:(hit myself in the head for all the comments to come).

I honestly think that if Detroit would have had one or two more good players during the run and shoot era they could have done something. Plus no matter what anyone tells me firing Wayne Fontes was another very poor choice by the Lions.


You're preaching to the choir....AMEN BROTHER!!!!:agree1:

There is nothing wrong with being a Lions fan.... It is easy....

How else could I rub in every win that my teams gets.....

:agree:


Every win???
You mean both of them???:lmao:

Have you seen the video of Peyton Manning doing the United Way commercial on SNL? It's hilarious.:agree1:

I've got a copy of it but can't attach it because it's in WMV format:mad:

Have you seen the video of Peyton Manning doing the United Way commercial on SNL? It's hilarious.:agree1:

I've got a copy of it but can't attach it because it's in WMV format:mad:

Is it this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjO_0VDpJvc&feature=related

Stijloor

I can't view a youtube vid on work puter but I imagine it's the one.

Does it have him drilling kids with the ball and making one sit in the johnny on the spot? If it is then that's it......

I can't view a youtube vid on work puter but I imagine it's the one.

Does it have him drilling kids with the ball and making one sit in the johnny on the spot? If it is then that's it......

No, that's not the one. :(

I do better next time. :o

Stijloor.

Watch out for the Lions this year. Wait, did I say that out loud??
Never mind, that organization makes Enron look good. Plus, I think the Lions have ripped off more people than Enron did.

I agree the Lions are a joke, (and I am an admitted Lions fan :bonk:) but I don't think they have ripped anyone off.

If you are a Lions fan you know what you are getting into - bad management, bad play, and a constantly changing group of players....

If you are ticket holder you made the choice to watch the Lions "play" so they could not rip you off.

Possibly they have given may people something.... A team to easily beat during the season to pad a record. :applause:

If Henry Ford were alive today he'd be whupping up his kin for being poor managers and running inefficiently:mad:

Yup!!!!!!:o

If Henry Ford were alive today he'd be whupping up his kin for being poor managers and running inefficiently:mad:

If you are referring to the Lions; old Henry would be whupping other Managers' a$$es as well. ;)

Stijloor.

If you are ticket holder you made the choice to watch the Lions "play" so they could not rip you off.

You're right, the tickets I buy are usually to watch the "other" team. It's sad, the Lions have a beautiful stadium and loyal fans, it's a shame that William Clay and Mac simply refuse to give the fans a respectable team. Please note, I won't even say winner, just respectable. :mad:
Like they say, GOOOOOOOO Lions. We don't really care where you go, just go.

Is it me or is it time for Al Davis to step down? I can understand wanting a horse to run the ball but no matter how many you have they will keep getting hurt until you can protect them. Not to mention you need to stop the other team's horses.

Al has lasted longer than I thought he would. He must be getting parts replaced as they go out on him. How else do you explain his longevity. Maybe it was a deal with the devil....and he is one super bowl away from completing the deal so he is drafting poorly to stay around a while longer?:lmao:

Thank goodness it is training camp time....I've been waiting too long for football season.

Anyone participate in a fantasy league? They are a blast....:biglaugh:

Just heard Favre will report to training camp.

So my prediction is he'll start, the Packers will go undefeated and he'll walk off into the sunset :notme:

I've also got this bridge for sale.............................................:cool:

Favre is ruining his reputation and legacy. Every year it's been the same thing...I think I want to retire.

No, what he wants to do is win and if there is a chance of that he can't let go. Do you honestly think he would want to come back if they would have went 4-12 last year? Absolutely not....

He has handled this so poorly it is embarrassing.:frust:

Favre is all the Vikings need. They will have the best defense in the NFL, they have one of the greatest running backs in the league, now if only the Vikings can get a Brett Favre, they would be unstopable. GO VIKES

Favre is ruining his reputation and legacy. Every year it's been the same thing...I think I want to retire.

No, what he wants to do is win and if there is a chance of that he can't let go. Do you honestly think he would want to come back if they would have went 4-12 last year? Absolutely not....

He has handled this so poorly it is embarrassing.:frust:


Damn...he went to a team that finished 4-12 afterall... $12,000,000/year for 2 years is a lot to leave on the table......

I would have taken the advisory role for $2,000,000/year for 10 years....DOH!
:truce:

Damn...he went to a team that finished 4-12 afterall... $12,000,000/year for 2 years is a lot to leave on the table......

I would have taken the advisory role for $2,000,000/year for 10 years....DOH!
:truce:

I agree. What the heck is he thinking?

All I've got to say is
WHO DEY!!!!
I just watched my bengals first preseason game last night against the Packers. Its nice to see they are working on the fundamentals. Like tackeling, and blocking.:sarcasm:
I would like to say they will be better this year, however you just never know. They couldn't have much more tallent, but that never seems to matter much.
OH WELL,
It's time to hang the flag :truce:in the front yard again, so I got to go get it up there.:yes:

I'll trade ya the Chiefs for the Bengals.....I think I'd throw in the KC Royals baseball team too....:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

NO thanks I'v got all the sweetness I can handle with the Bengals and Reds!:bonk:
By the way the reds are actually offering every decent player they have left for trade:agree: for any minor league players available. I even heard they would consider little league players.:lmao:

It's football season...woohoo....I wanna play :lmao:

Good One!!!:lmao::lol:

I'm in a dilema. Direct TV has the NFL pkg where you can watch any and all NFL games $75/month for 4 months. But reception tends to suck in tree'd areas.

Dish network has the coastal affiliates showing local teams so yuo get extra games. Haven't heard how service is...price is $60-$70/month

Cable has regular TV schedule for games for $60-$70/month add NFL network and some other chincey sport channels for $7/month.

Any suggestions or insight???????:read::read::read::read::read:

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

I have comcast Hi-def cable and I get the NFL Network for $5.95 a month. I see pre-recorded games that have been edited, for the price I love it. It has old championship games / Superbowls, top ten quarterbacks, running backs, receivers..... Well worth the $5.95 a month.:cool:

I have Direct TV with the NFL package. I have better reception with the dish than I ever did with Comiecast.
My neighbor has cable and most of the time it rained the cable went out. My picture may get a little snowy during bad down pours and I've had to clean the snow off of it (it's very reachable) but I've had it for almost 2 years now and I have no complaints.

I have hi-def comcast and my bro-in-law has direct tv. I have NEVER had an issue with cable. He constantly has issues with direct tv and he lives 2 blocks away.

I think it's all about....are you ready for this?.......location, location, location :lmao:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

BTW... NFL network...."sigh" I had it a couple of years ago and was NOT impressed at all. Maybe they have come around some but Bryant or Greg Gumbel (whichever or both :lol:)sucked as play by play for their telecasts too.... I mean it was awful to listen to. :frust: I think I'd rather listen to fingernails on a chalk board during the games....:lmao: Man....that IS bad...

Comcast in this area is horrible. I know it's not the norm, but it is terrible. Drive a couple blocks where people have a choice of cable companies and it is a different story. May be something about a competitor or something????
I didn't order the NFL package, it came in the sports deal. I had the Big Ten Network last year and 2 or 3 "go fast, turn left" stations.
Speaking of which, I have never seen a more boring thing than an "In Car" camera. It's like sitting in traffic on your way home. Can't do a thing, just sit there.
Oh well, such is life.
Have a good one.

I watched the Chiefs/Rams game last night. Rams played their 2nd string to start and no starters entire game. Chiefs eke out a 21-17 win.

I flipped over to Redskins/Jags game while Chiefs game was delayed for lightening. I'll take Colt Brennan over Brodie Croyle any day.

This is how bad QB situation is for Chiefs....Croyle went 3 for 4 the one miss his receiver is behind the defender and he underthrows him...WTH???? Not much pressure especially since they went to the rollout offense to get away from pressure. The dude has NOT won a single NFL game. He had like 9 starts last year....Don't get me started on Larry johnson either. Vermeil had it right....the dude needs to take off the diapers.

He is supposed to be a leader but is a cry baby instead. Defense tried to strip him of the ball in practice...young guys trying to make team...coaches yelling at them to play until whistle and LJ drops MF's for them trying to strip him. Then he goes out for a pass and QB throws it up and out so he can run under it and he thought it was too far out and was MFing the QB.

He stands by himself on sidelines during practice while other RB's are gathered joking...being a TEAM. LJ in locker room has ear buds in and sits by himself....

one word for the dude....cancer....I'd rather have a poor RB than this me first lil prick....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

That about sums up the Chiefs organization in a nut shell. They have treated him like a premadonna since the begining, and now its comoing back to bite them in the rear. He had a lot of tallent, but He's never been a team player.

On another note, the most positive thing I've seen from the Bengals so far this year is Chris Perry, I really hope he has a break out year, so we can get rid of our own LJ, Rudi Johnson. All he ever talks about is not wanting to share the load, and get the all the carrys for himself, but he can't stay healthy for 3 straight weeks.:bonk:

But the Bengals keep doing strange things like bringing Henry back....c'mon...his problems outside of football make him a poor example for the team image but when they get desperate due to injuries he's not such a bad guy afterall...:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

I can't believe how so many teams pull that crap...the guy sets a bad example by drug issues, battery issues, thug mentalilty, etc.... but when they need someone he's ok now.....puhleeeeze....:nopity:

Friends,

This will be a do or die season for John Fox & Associates.

Looks like we're going to have a great season.

Stijloor (Panther Fan).

But Steve Smith being stupid and getting suspended doesn't help them. It's not good having your best offensive weapon on the bench or away from the field for being a bad boy.

I think their biggest question is going to be QB. Can Delhomme come back and be just as effective as he was before the injury.

Can they get a running back who will hold up to the grind. If you have a pounder for a runner you better get 2 or 3 of them cause they won't hold up to the yearly grind...

But Steve Smith being stupid and getting suspended doesn't help them. It's not good having your best offensive weapon on the bench or away from the field for being a bad boy.

I think their biggest question is going to be QB. Can Delhomme come back and be just as effective as he was before the injury.

Can they get a running back who will hold up to the grind. If you have a pounder for a runner you better get 2 or 3 of them cause they won't hold up to the yearly grind...

Excellent points!

It was the running game that got us in the Super Bowl.

Yes, Steve has a temper beyond belief.
He "snapped", and has to pay the consequences.
However, where I came from they say: "Two fight-Two guilty."

Jake will be OK.

We will make the playoffs. :agree1:

Stijloor.

but he sucker punched the dude twice...at least that is the word that's out...

The days of riding a ground and pound running back are over...at least for a long stint they are. Look at Terrell Davis in Denver who was a sensation until the abuse caught up to him....

Christian Okoye in the early 90's for KC....others I'm sure...

There won't be another runner like Jim Brown cause the rules have changed and the speed and size of the men has evened out.

but he sucker punched the dude twice...at least that is the word that's out...

The days of riding a ground and pound running back are over...at least for a long stint they are. Look at Terrell Davis in Denver who was a sensation until the abuse caught up to him....

Christian Okoye in the early 90's for KC....others I'm sure...

There won't be another runner like Jim Brown cause the rules have changed and the speed and size of the men has evened out.

I don't know about that a lot of people are comparing Adrian Peterson of the Vikings to Jim Brown. He is one those running backs that won't step out of bounds at the end of a run, he likes the contact. I guess only time will tell about his durability.:cool:

Larry Johnson doesn't run like he did when he set the league on fire a couple years ago.

I think if you run to punish the tackler the defenses will start taking pot shots...then nagging injuries start in.

To withstand that punishment you'd have to be a phenom...6'3" 290# run a 4.4 40...like others who changed the game from that position...they appeared to be men among boys....

I still love watching the old movies of John Riggins running. I think a frozen worm could have beaten him in a straight up race. Put something in his way, watch out.
You'll see a few of the Dallas - Washington games where he goes 2 or 3 yards out of his way to hit someone.

On another note, how do you think Joey feels down in Atlanta, he's benched for a rookie! But watch, they'll change in the middle of the 2nd quarter since it's the Lions and Harrington will look like his cousin did at the US Open!:lmao:

I don't know about starting a rookie QB unless they were an absolutely outstanding college QB and there would still be an "if".

It depends on what the team is trying to do. Also, you better have an offensive line that can protect him some....too many young QB's are ruined from getting pounded while the team is trying to rebuild.

I'd take Joey for Brodie....Or Brady for Brodie....I'd rather see Damon Huard play than Brodie....and that MAY happen if Brodie starts out losing the 1st 3 games....

OUCH!
Having to watch Joey play all those years up here, I feel your pain! It hurts just to hear someone say that they would rather have Joey than someone else. How bad can it be???????:mg:

But yes, it was reported here that Atlanta is starting the Rookie against the Lions next week.

Friends,

Johnson legally changes name to Ocho Cinco.
Read the story here (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8505244?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002)...:biglaugh:

Stijloor.

Chad Javon Ocho Cinco..... Anything for attention.

Marvin Lewis said he refers to him as Ocho Psycho....:lmao:

Here is a list that I found on MSN "Decision '08: Top 10 title candidates"

Ranking

(1) San Diego Chargers

(2) New England Patriots

(3) Indianapolis Colts

(4) Dallas Cowboys

(5) New Orleans Saints

(6) Jacksonville Jaguars

(7) Pittsburgh Steelers (my team)

(8) New York Giants

(9) Philadelphia Eagles

(10) Minnesota Vikings

To read more go here: MSN Rankings (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=8515992&MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002#sport=NFL&photo=8514214)

Were the giants in the top 10 last year? I would bet they weren't.....:cool:

Were the giants in the top 10 last year? I would bet they weren't.....:cool:

I guess that is why they are ranked #8 this time around.

It was nice to see the Redskins and Giants will start the season in their usual fashion. By playing terrible football. That was the worst game I've seen in a long time.

Go Bengals!!!!!! At least we get to play the Ravens this week.:whip:

We ought to have a poll of how many teams are going to stink it up by playing conservative to keep the game close....like the Redskins...and I should say Washington since my hometown newspaper will NOT call them by their mascot name because they think it is racial....:frust:

I say Chicago, KC, Washington (obviously), Miami,....any others?????

Peyton Manning, Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney and Marvin Harrison are all back and as healthy as ever.
We will have to overcome some issues with injuries to the Offensive line, but this will be another great year for the Indianapolis Colts!
We do have the second toughest schedule in the NFL (Pittsburgh has the toughest), and we do play in the toughest division in the NFL (Maybe second next to the NFC East, but it's close) but we will overcome and will be parading the Lombardi trophy through the streets of Indianapolis come February.

We ought to have a poll of how many teams are going to stink it up by playing conservative to keep the game close....like the Redskins...and I should say Washington since my hometown newspaper will NOT call them by their mascot name because they think it is racial....:frust:

I say Chicago, KC, Washington (obviously), Miami,....any others?????

They all will, because it is the beginning of the Season. Why should they put their best players in jeopardy of getting hurt/injured?

This won't stop until about mid-season, that is where it will matter.

When the losses pile up will it matter? This approach is for those teams that suck terribly and think they can eke out a win or at least not get blown out.

But management and fans will not put up with losing whether it is a close loss or not. A loss is a loss. The thing that gets me is that there HAS to be losing teams. If not, everyone would be 8-8. Come to think of it.....they are close to doing that across the board now......:notme:

I just finished watching the Falcons/Lions matchup. I am trying to keep from getting my hopes up, but Atlanta sure looked good.

After last year, If owner Arthur Blank (from Home Depot) turns them around this season it will be a classic story. I hope that last season's sorry chapter is over. Losing alone is bad enough, but the stuff that happened off of the field was shameful.

Friends,

I just saw my beloved Panthers beat the Chargers with 2 seconds on the clock. :applause: :applause:

This is what Fox Sports wrote:

Jake Delhomme came back with a jolt that the San Diego Chargers won't soon forget. Delhomme threw a 14-yard touchdown pass to tight end Dante Rosaraio as time expired to lift the Carolina Panthers to a shocking 26-24 win over the Chargers on Sunday.

No wonder we refer to the Panthers as "Cardiac Cats......" :agree1: :agree1:

Stijloor.

They all will, because it is the beginning of the Season. Why should they put their best players in jeopardy of getting hurt/injured?

This won't stop until about mid-season, that is where it will matter.

Look at what happened to Brady...he will most likely be out for the entire season, with the injury.

Friends,

I just saw my beloved Panthers beat the Chargers with 2 seconds on the clock. :applause: :applause:

This is what Fox Sports wrote:

Jake Delhomme came back with a jolt that the San Diego Chargers won't soon forget. Delhomme threw a 14-yard touchdown pass to tight end Dante Rosaraio as time expired to lift the Carolina Panthers to a shocking 26-24 win over the Chargers on Sunday.

No wonder we refer to the Panthers as "Cardiac Cats......" :agree1: :agree1:

Stijloor.

Shear Luck my friend.

Wow did the Bengals look awesome!:sarcasm:
The suprise of the day award goes to the Chicago Bears:applause:
I would love nothing more than to see this be a year that doesn't involve the Patriots or the Colts walking away with their respective divisions.
I hate to see any players injured, but with Tom teriffic possibly out, it might be nice to see the Patriots division have a little more parody.

I grabbed Delhomme for my fantasy football team. If he can perform like he used to then beating the Chargers and others like them won't be uncommon.

I just finished watching the Falcons/Lions matchup. I am trying to keep from getting my hopes up, but Atlanta sure looked good.

After last year, If owner Arthur Blank (from Home Depot) turns them around this season it will be a classic story. I hope that last season's sorry chapter is over. Losing alone is bad enough, but the stuff that happened off of the field was shameful.

Every team looks great when they play the Lions.:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Every team looks great when they play the Lions.:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Yeah, and the same was true of the Falcons last year. C'mon, let me live in a fantasy world for just a week!

Shear Luck my friend.

No Coury, it was pure skill and determination....:tg:

Stijloor.

Go Panthers !!!!

Every team looks great when they play the Lions
Was that sad or what?
Although, Turner the Burner looked good. He did the samething he had done in the last 2 preseason games. That's a hard runner. Ernie Sims doesn't get carried down the field by a running back, but I saw him get carried twice!!!!
Looked like the same Lions that ended last year 1 - 6.

After playing the Patriots so closely the young upstart Chiefs built momentum to dominate their division this year.....:biglaugh::bonk::sarcasm:

The report from the sports talk around Kansas City is that they are $31 million under the cap. They are claiming that the Chiefs are doing this to help pay for the stadium renovations that they are obligated for. They are going to pay $125 million over 2-3 years for renovations and by cutting on payroll they cover they renovationout of pocket money.

They turned the team into rebuilding and use that excuse why they are doing poorly yet not paying as much in salary. When renovations are done, they will have developed a group of youngsters and then hit the free agent market to fill holes with high dollar free agents and field a playoff team when stadium is renovated.

This is the claim of at least one sports station here.

Was that sad or what?
Although, Turner the Burner looked good. He did the samething he had done in the last 2 preseason games. That's a hard runner. Ernie Sims doesn't get carried down the field by a running back, but I saw him get carried twice!!!!
Looked like the same Lions that ended last year 1 - 6.

Is that the running back that went 220 yards in 22 carries? He was a back-up to L.T. at San Diego. He looked very good.

Shear Luck my friend.
Luck is what happens when preperation meets skill!!:lmao:

Is that the running back that went 220 yards in 22 carries? He was a back-up to L.T. at San Diego. He looked very good.

He looked a LOT thicker than he did when he was with San Diego....did he need oxygen after every carry?:lmao:

He was always impressive when he was at San diego he was just unfortunate to play behind LT.

He looked a LOT thicker than he did when he was with San Diego....did he need oxygen after every carry?:lmao:

He was always impressive when he was at San diego he was just unfortunate to play behind LT.

Hopefully he will play a big part in the Falcon's comeback. Its a win-win situation; he fianlly gets to play, and the Falcons get to play him. If I lived an hour or 2 closer I'd be looking for tickets.

I don't know how far you are from their stadium but the Chiefs have season ticket holders that drive 5-6 hours every home game.....When the game was sold out there were some who brought a whole living room: couches, loveseat, recliner, rug, end tables, coffee table, lamps, tv all hooked up to a generator and set up in the parking lot.

I'm sorry but watching from the comfort of MY living room and not paying $25 parking fee, $5 cokes, $8 beers, $4 hot dogs, is WHOLE lot better and the view is better too.....:cool:

I don't know how far you are from their stadium but the Chiefs have season ticket holders that drive 5-6 hours every home game.....When the game was sold out there were some who brought a whole living room: couches, loveseat, recliner, rug, end tables, coffee table, lamps, tv all hooked up to a generator and set up in the parking lot.

I'm sorry but watching from the comfort of MY living room and not paying $25 parking fee, $5 cokes, $8 beers, $4 hot dogs, is WHOLE lot better and the view is better too.....:cool:

Depending on Atlanta traffic and construction :mad: (the reason I will not accept a job in ATL) it is about 2 1/2 hours one way. Like you say, I can sit at home in my easy chair. That way I will not get ripped off, and we can eat a nice steak, drink some 10 year old bourbon, and relax, for a LOT less than going to the game. If the game is boring, I can go outside and go fishing.

By the look of the Poll (even though we are still early in the Season) it will be:

AFC-North vs. NFC-North (in the Super Bowl)

as of 9/10/08

I would be Bengals VS. Lions
the classic tiger vs lion matchup just like in the sarengetti:lmao:

That is funny since you know that Lions only win in the pre-season. So sad to live in Michigan sometimes.

I'm afraid my Dolphins are going to stink it up again this year, Parcells or no Parcells.

Tim Tebow, come on down!! :yes:

fill holes with high dollar free agents and field a playoff team when stadium is renovated.

Yeah, because that's worked so well in the past...:sarcasm:

Most teams do well by having a GM and coach that work well together, drafting smart and keeping their good players.

I would be Bengals VS. Lions
the classic tiger vs lion matchup just like in the sarengetti:lmao:

Nah...the Lions will miss out and so will the Bengals.

Steelers vs. Bears would be my guess.

I'm afraid my Dolphins are going to stink it up again this year, Parcells or no Parcells.

It may not be this year, but keep the faith.
It gets so frustrating with the Lions they had a better record than the fish last year, yes. But now, Miami is in a better situation to win than they were last year. The Lions, well, they're worse.
Like I said, it may not happen this year, but Miami is on the road to recovery while the Lions remain an open, bleeding, ulcer.
They may have a chance at beating App. St., but I wouldn't put money on it.
:topic:I heard this on the radio on Monday. One of our sports talk hosts had called the ATL-DET a lock for the Lions. We know how that turned out. So people were calling in and giving him a hard time. The host was talking about how this weeks game isn't a sell out and it may be blacked out here. So this guy calls in and states something like, you know so much about football but look at all the empty seats in Atlanta and we still got to see the game!(here in Detroit):lol:
That's one of the reasons why the Ford family gets away with consistantly putting a bad product on the field each Sunday. Fans like that!

In case you wonder what games will be televised in your area, consult NFL TV Distribution Maps (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/).

Good for fans that live out-of-market from their favorite team AND don't have an NFL team nearby. I consult it weekly to see if the Packers will be shown here. For some reason we're getting the Giants and Rams game this week - it could be over by the half.

For some reason we're getting the Giants and Rams game this week - it could be over by the half
Which game are you talking about, Giants & Rams or Packers & Lions?
Packers are a better team than the Falcons and they made the Lions defense look like a worn out sock. Can't wait to see how bad the Pack makes 'em look!!!

Which game are you talking about, Giants & Rams or Packers & Lions?
Packers are a better team than the Falcons and they made the Lions defense look like a worn out sock. Can't wait to see how bad the Pack makes 'em look!!!

I was talking about the Giants & Rams. If it's a blowout, maybe they'll switch over to the Packers - but you're right, they could both be lopsided.

I'm afraid my Dolphins are going to stink it up again this year, Parcells or no Parcells.

Tim Tebow, come on down!! :yes:

I still think the Dolphins could finish with an 8-8 record, they have a young team with a very smart QB that gives them a chance to win if the game is close. Heck, if he had more talent around him they would have beat the Jets. I am a Jets fan that hated to see him go.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the Jets Pats game, if the Jets win will they run it up like the Pats did all last year??

I was talking about the Giants & Rams. If it's a blowout, maybe they'll switch over to the Packers - but you're right, they could both be lopsided.

Heh. Now we're getting Da Bears game. That should be a better match-up.

Heh. Now we're getting Da Bears game. That should be a better match-up.

My beloved Panthers are ready for Da Bears....

Stijloor.

GO PANTHERS!!!

Mark

I thought I had posted this late last night, but apparently not. Perhaps I was too tired. :-(


Anyway, I am making some statistical predictions of the NFL. These are my purely mathematical predictions for this week's games. We'll see shortly how I do.


The spreads and over/under for the games (as posted by a website saturday night) are listed - a negative value for the SPRead mean the home team is favored. The final two columns are who I would predict to wager on, and whether the combined score will be Over or Under the given value.



Away Home SPR O/U ATS O/U
MIA ARI -6.5 39 ARI U
CHI CAR -3 37 CHI O
TEN CIN -1.5 37.5 TEN U
PIT CLE 6 44.5 PIT U
PHI DAL -7 47 PHI O
SD DEN 1 45.5 DEN O
GB DET 3 45.5 DET O
BAL HOU -4.5 37.5 BAL U
BUF JAC -5.5 37 BUF U
OAK KC -3.5 36 KC U
IND MIN 1.5 43.5 MIN U
NE NYJ -1.5 37 NYJ U
SF SEA -7 38 SF O
NYG STL 8.5 42 NYG U
ATL TB -7 37.5 ATL O
NO WAS 0 42 NO U




NOTE: This is for fun and mathematical challenge. I DO NOT encourage you to try to pay for your child's college tuition by following these picks!




Tim F

As of Sunday night, I am 6-7 against the spread, and 9-4 over/under. Overall that is 58%, which is not as well as I hoped, but respectable. Perhaps Philly will come thru and win (or not lose too badly) and put me back to even against the spread.

My beloved Panthers are ready for Da Bears....

Stijloor.

Right now at 3:35 P.M., they do not appear as ready for Da Bears as I thought they would...:frust::frust:

Final: Well, a win is a win...:applause:

Stijloor.

Right now at 3:35 P.M., they do not appear as ready for Da Bears as I thought they would...:frust::frust:

Final: Well, a win is a win...:applause:

Stijloor.

Congrats on the Panther's win

My Steelers sent the Browns (Dogs) back to their pound

Steelers now 2-0

I still think the Dolphins could finish with an 8-8 record, they have a young team with a very smart QB that gives them a chance to win if the game is close. Heck, if he had more talent around him they would have beat the Jets. I am a Jets fan that hated to see him go.


My Dolphins did indeed stink it up against Arizona.. the only hope I can hold out is that the season is still young.

My Indianapolis Colts made a miracle comeback yesterday.
Adrian Peterson had 120 yds in the first quater, and 160 for the day, but the defense held strong and kept them out of the endzone.
Finally the offense woke up about halfway through the fourth quarter and made some things happen.

Congratulations to the Panthers fans. Your team looks pretty good, and if Jonathon Stewart continues on this pace he may have a rookie year that rivals Peterson's.

To the Miami fans, you have my condolences. So far this year isn't looking any better than last.

Although My bengals recieved another paddlin this week:frust:My fantasy team was great. Thanks to the colts for giving up the rushing yards to my runing back before puting the clamps on the Vikings and thanks to the Colts for getting Anthony Gonzalez involved he's shaping up to be a nice reciever. I'm also sorry to see the Dolphins loosing again, but if they had to give up three touchdowns to the same wide reciever I'm glad he was on my team. It looks like the biggest mistake I made in my draft was picking any bengals. Who would have thought Chad Johnson(I'm sorry ohno stinko) and Carson Palmer would have combined for 6and 1/2 points(on the season). And the best move I have made was benching all my bengals and starting Philip Rivers, and Anquan Boldin.:agree1:

Here are the predictions for week 3 .... The columns are again the Away & home teams, the spread (as of friday from my source) the over/under points, my selection of who will beat the spread, and finally if the total score will be Over or Under the listed value.


KC ATL -5.5 37 ATL U
CLE BAL -2.5 39 BAL U
OAK BUF -9.5 37 BUF O
TB CHI -3.0 36 CHI O
NO DEN -5.5 51 DEN O
DAL GB 3.0 52 DAL O
JAC IND -5.0 42 JAC U
CAR MIN -3.5 37 CAR U
MIA NE -12.5 35 NE U
CIN NYG -13.5 42 NYG U
PIT PHI -3.0 45 PHI O
NYJ SD -9.0 44 SD O
STL SEA -9.5 44 SEA O
DET SF -4.0 46 SF O
HOU TEN -4.5 39 TEN O
ARI WAS -3.0 42 ARI U


TUESDAY: Not bad, but not great either. 9-7 against the spread, and 9-7 over under. Staying on the positive side, but not doing as well as I expected.

How about those Dolphins???

I thought it would take much longer for a completely rebuilt team to come together the way they did yesterday, especially against the defending AFC champs playing in their stadium. I'm not saying the Dolphins are in any danger of going to the Super Bowl or anything like that, but it bodes well for the future!!

This just in....Lions still suck.

This just in....Lions still suck.

Oh come on :lmao: They aren't that bad. They just need a new quarterback (obviously dumping Harrington wasn't going to solve the problem), get some people who can actually catch the ball, some who can run with a ball, and a coaching staff that knows how to coach.....they do have a good kicker when given the chance to kick :lol:

Personally I hope they get no wins this year. The Ford family can't manage their car company what the heck do they think they know about football! :frust:

This just in....Lions still suck.
Oh, but they practice good!
One thing good about it, I don't think we'll have to watch another home game. If I was a FOX exec, I think I might try to ban any of their games. They are a disgrace to the NFL, the whole package is. With what they show on TV, they should be fined and have to repay what they get from TV revenue. It's not fair to the teams that lose but still try.
The only thing I enjoyed, out of that debacle, was Rudi Johnson. He was a highlight.
Think about it, when the only Pro Bowler you've had in the past 3 -4 years is your place kicker, wake up! You're doing it wrong.:mad:
I believe the scouts are smoking or taking something real good. Most of the players starting on this team are boarder-line pros. Or guys that other teams didn't want. Not like a T.O. don't want (he's got talent), but rather this bottle is empty throw it away!
I'm tired of it, sick of it and will not waste another minute viewing one of their games. I have tickets to see them take on Chicago in a couple weeks, well they'll be on E-Bay.
The Lions remind me of the Washington Generals, the team that the Globetrotters always play. For purpose of the other teams entertainment.
Before this season (yes, it's over) the worse Millen team was his first, they went 4-12. However, they lost 9 games by 5 points or less. This team gets taken to the woodshed every week and it's just going to get worse.
And watch, they'll go 0-16 and take another receiver with their 1st round pick.:nope::frust::mad::bonk:

Reminds me of the Bengals, every time I think they are making some good moves and coming together as a team they just find a way to get worse. They will never get better as long as Mike Brown is running the show.:frust:
I refuse to continue to purchase hats, shirts, and tickets so he can buy another bently.:mad:
However I will continue to purchase little outfits for my 8 month old daughter cause she is the only one in the family with enough balls to crap on them. And when she grows up if they are finally a good team she can say she still has some memorabelia, just like I have mine. However its never brought me such luck.:nope: But I know how you feel the only reason I continue to watch/listen to them is because its the one thing I can to that doesn't put money in Mike Browns pockets.:whip:

The Lions are 8-50 on the road, since Millen took over. This franchise has won 1 playoff game in 50 years. During that time, Wayne Fonts has the best winning percentage.
Its a shame.

At least its time for the battle of Ohio, the bengals may have an opporunity to whupp somebody:whip:
Q: whodey?
A: almost everybody!:nopity:

At least its time for the battle of Ohio, the bengals may have an opporunity to whupp somebody:whip:

I'll predict a 0-0 tie.

The Lions are 8-50 on the road, since Millen took over. This franchise has won 1 playoff game in 50 years. During that time, Wayne Fonts has the best winning percentage.
Its a shame.

Hey Randy I don't know if you have heard yet MATT MILLEN HAS BEEN FIRED!!!!:(

Hey Randy I don't know if you have heard yet MATT MILLEN HAS BEEN FIRED!!!!:(

Story from Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8601458?MSNHPHMA)...

Stijloor.

DING DONG MILLEN IS GONE!!!!!!!!!
Maybe now the Lions will be able to beat a high school team.

:agree1:

Hey Randy I don't know if you have heard yet MATT MILLEN HAS BEEN FIRED!!!!

DING DONG MILLEN IS GONE!!!!!!!!!
Maybe now the Lions will be able to beat a high school team.

You know even though they fired (or something else) him, doesn't mean they will win. Maybe it is the Coach (and Staff) and even players that are the Root Cause of their losing. Ever think about that?

I didn't say they will win I just said maybe. Can't you give us long suffering Michiganians a break. Let us at least grasp at the hope a win this year. The owners are actually the first thing that need to go.

Sep 08 - Great month for Detroit, first Kwame, now Millen, its time for Leyland.

I don't expect the Lions to win this year. What we have left is the mess Millen made. These are his draft choices, his players, etc. It's going to be, probably 2 more years before they can field a team.
Hang it up this year. A new GM will clean house, more than likely, so this season is over.
You know even though they fired (or something else) him, doesn't mean they will win. Maybe it is the Coach (and Staff) and even players that are the Root Cause of their losing. Ever think about that?
It's all part of it Coury. The NFL is set up to use the draft, all good teams can draft. Now, I know it's a 1 in a million, but Brady was a 6th round pick. Good teams have 3rd and 4th round picks that start!
The Lions did good to have a first rounder that stayed in the league more than 2 years (Mike Williams, Charles Rogers,etc.) much less start. You don't build a team on Free Agents, they are built by your drafts and trades. Millen couldn't do either. Look at the Joey Harrington draft and the Shaun Rogers trade.
After the draft, a GMs job was done. He turned it over to his coaches. So lets look at the coaches he brought in: Gary Moeller, averaged 4 losses a season at UofM, good linbacker coach but no head coach. Marty Morningweg, his best season was 6-10 (I believe), good offensive coordinator but no head coach. Mariuchi (sp), his short comings were exposed, give him talent and he'll exploit it, but can't build a team. No longer a head coach. One of the assistants gets caught going through a McD's drive thru naked! He still has his job.
And now we come to Marinelli (think he has a fetish with the "M"s, add Martz to the list?). Never been a head coach, was a good defensive coordinator (not great), no track record. You give him a pile of dog crap and tell him to build you the Taj Mahal out of it. I don't really blame coach Rod. To build a team you need to start from the inside (lines) out. Millen was going from the outside (WRs) in.
Right now, they could put a suit and tie on a KFC extra crispy chicken leg and give it a chewed piece of Double Bubble gum, and we'd still be better off!:agree1:

Great month for Detroit, first Kwame, now Millen, its time for Leyland.
Looking for the Trifecta!!!! But I'm afraid Leyland will be back.

You know even though they fired (or something else) him, doesn't mean they will win. Maybe it is the Coach (and Staff) and even players that are the Root Cause of their losing. Ever think about that?

Millen has fired 50+ coaches in his tenure, I don't think its the staff. Most of these guys have been very successful elsewhere.

Who was responsible for the players? Mostly Millen.

KMeyers,

love the Calvin moniker....kudos I always loved reading Calvin and Hobbes....

So .....what is the opinion of the cove on teams whose fans have jumped off the bandwagon in the 1st qtr of the year?????

A surprise for me is the Colts demise..... they may come back but geez...

Then there is the Bengals....man talk about nose diving...... and Cleveland....from almost playoffs to this crap??????? WTH?

Is parity becoming too prevalent in the pros?

Browns record last year was not an indication of how good or bad they were, they didn't win a game against a team with a winning record.

KMeyers,

love the Calvin moniker....kudos I always loved reading Calvin and Hobbes....

So .....what is the opinion of the cove on teams whose fans have jumped off the bandwagon in the 1st qtr of the year?????

A surprise for me is the Colts demise..... they may come back but geez...

Then there is the Bengals....man talk about nose diving...... and Cleveland....from almost playoffs to this crap??????? WTH?

Is parity becoming too prevalent in the pros?


I think the Colts will be fine, they just have a lot of injury trouble, especially on the O-Line.
That's really no excuse, because injury is part of the game, but it does explain their trouble running the ball in their first two games.

As far as parity is concerned, I believe that's what makes the NFL the best brand in sports entertainment.
At the start of the season, all 32 teams have the CHANCE to make something happen. Some go up, some go down, but there are always surprises, for instance, the only two undefeated teams (besides the Giants who didn't play this week) are the Tennessee Titans and the Buffalo Bills. These two teams were each the third best team in their respective divisions last year, and now they are on top.

Would everyone else who had (and started) Ronnie Brown on their fantasy team care to join me for a celebratory cigar??? I won my matchup this week by something like 130-60.

And I think it's just possible that my Dolphins could actually double their win total from last year!~!

Would everyone else who had (and started) Ronnie Brown on their fantasy team care to join me for a celebratory cigar??? I won my matchup this week by something like 130-60.


I hope you're talking about last week, because Miami was on a bye this week, and if you started Ronnie Brown you got a big goose egg!

When I drafted my fantasy team I grabbed Adrian Peterson with my first pick, and somehow I was lucky enough that Tony Romo was still there for my second pick, so I'm doing pretty good.

And I think it's just possible that my Dolphins could actually double their win total from last year!~!

Even if you don't win another game all year, it has to feel pretty sweet beating thePatriots as bad as you did, considering the way they ran up the score last year!

Millen has fired 50+ coaches in his tenure, I don't think its the staff. Most of these guys have been very successful elsewhere.

Who was responsible for the players? Mostly Millen.

Millen should have been fired years ago, but the stupid coach isn't any better. He keeps putting a piecd of crap QB in who can't do crap right. He has been sacked roughly 3+ times EACH game so far this season. Everytime they are close enough for a TD the dumb ass overthrows the ball (almost into the stands) and then gets pissed because Williams or anyone else didn't catch the damn thing. He needs to understand that his son (I call him his son because they look just alike :lol: ) isn't a good QB. The lions won EVERY preseason game and he was not the QB in any of the games, or at least not for the entire game....all the back up QB's were in and they have yet to be allowed to play from the start of a game.

The got rid of Joey Harrigton a couple years ago saying he was the problem and that he was no good....well Bly said he was the main problem. They get Kitna in and Bly still can't do crap with the ball, so obvioulsy it wasn't Harringtons fault and they get rid of Bly. They've got some decent players, just no one to to force them to play.

Come on, the only good game Harrington ever had was against the Lions. He couldn't even keep a 3rd string job this year. He may not have been the only problem but he was a good part of it.
Now about the backups, they played against the 2nd and 3rd stringers. Maybe all the preseason proved is that our backup scrubs are better than the other backup scrubs. Orlovsky & Stanton are not the answer here. I'm not a Kitna fan, however, he does have experience when it comes to pressure. I know he has a tendency to hold the ball too long and gets sacked, but he doesn't have a line that could hold air in a balloon! Now put the backups in and you're asking for more INTs, more sacks, more mistakes, etc.
I do agree that the younger guys should play, let's see what we have. But the first thing the coaches will do is put in every vet they have in order to try and keep their jobs. And just like that, Kevin Smith is benched yesterday for Rudi.
The last time Smith had the ball, he ran for 9 yards in the 3rd quarter!!!! So why do you bench the kid, especially when you won't tell him why he's not starting. The answer is to try to save your job.
The Lions are a terrible organization, the scouts lack the talent to spot talent, the front office just doesn't care, the coaches are are over their heads in trouble, and most of the players would have been cut by other teams (oh wait, most of them already were before becoming a Lion).
They implement the West Coast Offense, 10 years after the league has figured it out. Now they start playing the Tampa-2, years after the league has figured out that defense. They are the Golden State Clippers of the NFL - a joke.
There are 5 or 6 players that would make most squads, Ernie Sims, Kevin Smith (may not start, but he is a good runner), Calvin Johnson and a couple others. I did not forget Roy Williams, he's not on that list on purpose. He's another joke.
Okay, I'll get off my soapbox.

Randy, I feel for you, but it's comforting to know there are football fans out there that are more miserable than I am. My Vikings are 1 and 3 and have no quarterback, the defense is lackluster, the twins lose 0 to 1 and are out of the ALCS. Thanks for your misery.::nopity:

Randy, I feel for you, but it's comforting to know there are football fans out there that are more miserable than I am. My Vikings are 1 and 3 and have no quarterback, the defense is lackluster, the twins lose 0 to 1 and are out of the ALCS. Thanks for your misery.::nopity:

Hey now, our baseball team finished with one of the worst records in baseball and one of the highest payrolls. I'm amazed how the Twins keep doing it, they lose Santana and Hunter yet still almost win the division.

Hey, I never said that Harrington was the all to guy or anything. I just find it funny that they get rid of a QB was supposed to have been the problem of why the Lions weren't winning and yet here we are, 3 or 4 years later and they still can't win games. Yeah, he hasn't done much since getting booted by the Lions, but that's besides the point. The Lions have no one in authority, no one telling them to do their job or they are gone. No one pushing them to do their best. Hell, Kitna gets all pissy when someone doesn't catch a ball that is uncatchable by his own players and starts screaming at his team. Yeah, that'll get the job done, learn how to throw the ball to your team and when it's the right time and you may get some yards and maybe even some TD's.

Harrington could have been a decent QB. He has had SOME success....Could he have ever been a star with the right coach and right system....hard to say but my vote would be NO. But, he could have been better with a different situation to start with. He stayed around longer and is a bigger name than David Carr....

What about QB's who are not very good but end up on good teams?

How many QB's have been ruined from being on a poor team and constantly changing coaches. It happens all the time unfortunately. But there are some who had no business being chosen...can anyone say...Ryan Leaf?

Here's a good one for discussion....List some QB's good or bad who were on the wrong team...I think it will be interesting to see the names and teams that come up....

Hell, Kitna gets all pissy when someone doesn't catch a ball that is uncatchable by his own players and starts screaming at his team.

This is why I can't stand Kitna, I used to think he got a bum wrap but his antics have got to go.

My wife hates him because he is ugly. :)

I'm sure some will find this amusing, last night I was messing around with NFL Head Coach 09. You are the head coach but you can have full control of roster moves. You can start prior to the 08 Draft or prior to 08 Preseason.

I chose to start with the Lions prior to the 08 Draft, Millen suggests I take James Hardy (6'7" WR from Indiana) with our first Rd pick. I laughed. I traded up for the 30th pick in the 1st Rd, he again suggests I take James Hardy. I laughed more. With our 2nd Rd pick, Millen again suggests I take James Hardy. I laughed even more. Finally Hardy was drafted with the 10th pick in the 3rd Rd. Then Millen suggests I take a 5'9" CB with our 3rd Rd pick through 6th Rd pick, I finally picked the guy with the 7th Rd pick to get him off my back. Now Millen is ready to fire me because my approval rating decreased every time I dismissed his suggestion. Way to realistic! :)

I'm sure some will find this amusing, last night I was messing around with NFL Head Coach 09. You are the head coach but you can have full control of roster moves. You can start prior to the 08 Draft or prior to 08 Preseason.

I chose to start with the Lions prior to the 08 Draft, Millen suggests I take James Hardy (6'7" WR from Indiana) with our first Rd pick. I laughed. I traded up for the 30th pick in the 1st Rd, he again suggests I take James Hardy. I laughed more. With our 2nd Rd pick, Millen again suggests I take James Hardy. I laughed even more. Finally Hardy was drafted with the 10th pick in the 3rd Rd. Then Millen suggests I take a 5'9" CB with our 3rd Rd pick through 6th Rd pick, I finally picked the guy with the 7th Rd pick to get him off my back. Now Millen is ready to fire me because my approval rating decreased every time I dismissed his suggestion. Way to realistic! :)

If you start with the Raiders, does Al Davis make your picks for you? lol

List some QB's good or bad who were on the wrong team
Pick a Lions quarterback since 1958!
Andre Ware, Rodney Pete, Eric Hipple, Scott Mitchell, Bill Munson, Landry, etc. etc.
But seriously, Archie Manning and the Saints!!!!
I'll never forget watching a particular Saints game. A back or receiver was run out of bounds and he ran into one of the TV cameras on the sidelines. He put his hand on his head and kinda sat down. When they got a close up it showed his helmet was busted. He had gone head first into the cover of the lens and it had made a upside down horseshoe crack in his helmet.
Those teams were so bad back then, poor Archie usually ended up running for his life.
But then there was Tom Dempsey, 62 yard Field Goal to beat the Lions and he had half a foot and half an arm!
I think it was Lem Barney that almost blocked it as it came down towards the goal post!:nope:

If you start with the Raiders, does Al Davis make your picks for you?
No, he sends you your letter of resignation and demands you to sign it!!!

Wayne Fonts (sp?) had the run and shoot with Barry Sanders in the backfield....heck...Brodie Croyle coulda looked good in THAT offense. That had to have been QB heaven.

Archie Manning was an EXCELLENT example.

What about the teams that didn't draft Joe Montana or Tom Brady....Those two might not be a name at all if another team had drafted them. Think about it. Could you see them being nearly as successful with the Lions? Montana maybe if you look at the same years Fonts was there. Now....:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: NO ONE would know who they were.

There are other teams of futility. What about teams that have NEVER played in a Super Bowl... Lions, Saints, Cardinals, and Browns have been around a very long time to not even get into a Super Bowl. What does that say about their franchise?

IMHO there is a lot of luck involved. Who you draft, who coaches, asst coaches, roster chemistry, schedule...etc

Wayne Fonts (sp?) had the run and shoot with Barry Sanders in the backfield
You know Wayne-O has the best win % in the "post" Bobby Lane era.
I don't know if Barry was or is the greatest running back in the NFL, but I will say he was the most entertaining. 3rd on the all time yards list and first on the most lost yardage list!
The Lions of the '90s were good offensive teams, even with middle of the road QBs. However, they sure couldn't play defense.

Here's another QB for you, Jim Pluckett. If he was with a KC or Oilers and not the Raiders, would we even remember his name?

Good topic:applause:

You know Wayne-O has the best win % in the "post" Bobby Lane era.
I don't know if Barry was or is the greatest running back in the NFL, but I will say he was the most entertaining. 3rd on the all time yards list and first on the most lost yardage list!
The Lions of the '90s were good offensive teams, even with middle of the road QBs. However, they sure couldn't play defense.

Here's another QB for you, Jim Pluckett. If he was with a KC or Oilers and not the Raiders, would we even remember his name?

Good topic:applause:

It looks like some people already forgot, I believe it's JIM PLUNKETT. :lmao:

Thanks Dean, I hadn't finished my 1st coff of cuppee.:lol:

To throw a couple more names out there; Fran Tarkenton and Roman Gabriel.
I can remember Roman running over linebackers back in the day.

Thanks Dean, I hadn't finished my 1st coff of cuppee.:lol:

To throw a couple more names out there; Fran Tarkenton and Roman Gabriel.
I can remember Roman running over linebackers back in the day.

Which brings to mind, are the QB's of today wussies or have players evolved into massive strength and conditioning brutes to which humans haven't evolved enough to withstand the punishing hits applied today?

It's like pitchers in baseball....back in the day...QB's and pitchers ALWAYS played entire games and seasons....now you hear how great it was for a pitcher to throw a complete game or a QB to play an entire season. Yet you see SOME of each lasting seasons and/or games today...does that make the rest wussies?

Example: Brodie Croyle according to news reports has the same injury to the shoulder that Ben Roethlisberger has but he hasn't played a down since the injury in the 2nd half of the 1st game. Big Ben hasn't missed any time for it...well maybe a couple of plays. Ben: 6'5" 250# Brodie 6'1" 200#

Opinions?

Other QB's Sammy Baugh with no face mask and getting whacked across the nose constantly....Johnny U. , Norm Van Brocklin, Terry Bradshaw.....

BTW......I love this topic:agree1::cool:

are the QB's of today wussies or have players evolved into massive strength and conditioning brutes
I think they're both right.
QB's have become somewhat light weights, but the players now are much bigger and hit harder.
Plus, the team is paying big bucks to a good QB and who wants them on the bench?
You don't want a 10 mill + guy on the bench injured.
I have been told that the shoulder is the hardest joint to rehab.
Did you watch any of the Penn St. game? I loved the quote they had from Jo Pa. When asked about the health of the team and him coaching from the Press Box, Joe replied, "If you're hurt, we expect you to play. If you're injured we don't want you to play and risk further injury or affect the team. Right now, I'm just hurt."
Amazing what he has accomplished, and to be as sharp as he is.
BTW, did you smell the stench the Lions put on the field? I wish Fox would just refuse to broadcast their games, it's disgusting.
8 dropped passes in the first half! We're down to the Jr. High level now.
And the coach says, "to see how good we look in practice, it comes down to execution".
The offense looks good in practice because they are going up agains the Lions defense.
I don't know which is worse, the Lions with no expectation this season, or Cincy with a lot of expectation.
The Bengals are the Detroit Tigers of the NFL right now.

Aint that the truth!

You mean you didn't smell what the Kansas City Chefs were cooking in carolina Sunday. How about 34-0 loss. 127 yds of offense. :mg:

LJ only 2 yds rushing. Can't catch a 35 yr old WR on a 40 sumthin yd TD. Jared Allen's replacement couldn't sack his jockstrap.:mg:

Stuck watching this pathetic excuse for football because they won't switch from a blowout of the hometown team and the other network can't broadcast another game at the same time...NFL or local rules...:mg:

Almost makes you give up on football....sheesh:truce:

You mean you didn't smell what the Kansas City Chefs were cooking in carolina Sunday. How about 34-0 loss. 127 yds of offense. :mg:

LJ only 2 yds rushing. Can't catch a 35 yr old WR on a 40 sumthin yd TD. Jared Allen's replacement couldn't sack his jockstrap.:mg:

Stuck watching this pathetic excuse for football because they won't switch from a blowout of the hometown team and the other network can't broadcast another game at the same time...NFL or local rules...:mg:

Almost makes you give up on football....sheesh:truce:

I saw it (Panthers vs Chiefs) and I enjoyed it. I almost felt sorry for them.
But that's football. My beloved Panthers have found themselves in similar situations a few times in the recent past.

But my Panthers start looking like a real contender for the playoffs and who knows some more....:agree1:

Up to week 6. See what we can do with the Bucs...

Stijloor.

My Steelers are off this weekend.

Panthers at Tampa Bay-Good luck Panthers, you will need it.

My Steelers are off this weekend.

Panthers at Tampa Bay-Good luck Panthers, you will need it.

They're on the roll...great momentum so to speak...

Stijloor.

Look out for the Dolphins. Finally good coaching = wins. lol :)

Not sure how the rest of the season will turn out but the last two wins have me excited to watch my team play again.

Go Dolphins!!

Look out for the Dolphins. Finally good coaching = wins. lol :)

Not sure how the rest of the season will turn out but the last two wins have me excited to watch my team play again.

Go Dolphins!!

We finally have a coach who can innovate - the Wildcat formation with Ronnie Brown taking the direct snap is something neither New England nor San Diego could figure out.

My Steelers are off this weekend.

Panthers at Tampa Bay-Good luck Panthers, you will need it.

What are the predictions?

I am extremely biased, so mine are not good anyway...:D

Stijloor.

I still think the Dolphins could finish with an 8-8 record, they have a young team with a very smart QB that gives them a chance to win if the game is close. Heck, if he had more talent around him they would have beat the Jets. I am a Jets fan that hated to see him go.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the Jets Pats game, if the Jets win will they run it up like the Pats did all last year??

I stand by my predection which I made 09/12/08, in fact I could see the Dolphins going 9-7. Parcells knew what he was doing when he signed Pennington after the Jets let him go. Remember Parcells is the one that drafted him in NY. They say he does not have the strongest arm in the NFL, I say who cares if you are not turning the ball over.

As a Jets fan I am more afraid of teh Dolphins than the other two teams in teh AFC East.

Look out for the Dolphins. Finally good coaching
You're right about that. I mentioned it earlier that eventhough the Lions had a better record than the Dolphins, that by the addition of the Big Tuna, Miami was in a better position to win than the Cryin' Lions!
Good job fish:applause:

You're right about that. I mentioned it earlier that eventhough the Lions had a better record than the Dolphins, that by the addition of the Big Tuna, Miami was in a better position to win than the Cryin' Lions!
Good job fish:applause:

Randy your LIONS may get their first victory of the year against the VIKINGS, the Vikes win the ones they shouldn't and lose the ones they should win. And there is talk the Vikes fired Kluwe the punter because he punted the ball to Reggie Bush and Reggie scored touchdowns both times, I don't know why Kluwe just didn't punt out of bounds, but the punt coverage stank. Kluwe is one of the better punters in the league. Brad Childress is NUTS :(

Watched the Monday night game last night on NFL Network, Saints need to cut Gramatica!

Randy your LIONS may get their first victory of the year against the VIKINGS
The Vikings are one team that always seem to have the Lions number. Throughout the years, I can remember them finding someway to beat us.
Years ago, in a playoff game, the Vikes won 5-2 or 5-3. No, it wasn't baseball!!!

What are the predictions?

I am extremely biased, so mine are not good anyway...:D

Stijloor.

Stijloor,

Here is some data for you:

Carolina has won 5 straight on the road at Tampa. Tampa is 4-6 in its last 10 games vs. Carolina.

You're right about that. I mentioned it earlier that eventhough the Lions had a better record than the Dolphins, that by the addition of the Big Tuna, Miami was in a better position to win than the Cryin' Lions!
Good job fish:applause:


I bet you wish you had Barry Sanders back. He was like Michael Jordon in basketball. Every time he got the ball, he could take it the distance. Most of the time he would break two to three tackles behind the line and still get 10 yards. I have his Rookie card. One of the few cards which I will not depart for he is one of the best backs to every play the game.

The Tuna did the right thing in cleaning house and changing the attitude there. We always had talent (until the DW years) but never delivered. Much like a business, you sometimes have to clean house and get rid of the bad apples to allow your philosophy to work.

I'm pleased with the effort by the Lions yesterday, it was the first time all year they seemed to take some pride in what they are doing.

I'm pleased with the effort by the Lions yesterday, it was the first time all year they seemed to take some pride in what they are doing.

No pun intended????

Stijloor,

Here is some data for you:

Carolina has won 5 straight on the road at Tampa. Tampa is 4-10 in its last 10 games vs. Carolina.

Well, I guess the numbers were inaccurate, or should I say, Tampa was the Best at that time.

Did anyone else see the Falcons beat the Bears? Now, THAT was a great game.

The Falcons are for real. I can't believe I just said that. About this time last year....

Well, I guess the numbers were inaccurate, or should I say, Tampa was the Best at that time.

We were very, very bad!:mg: Bucs were the much better team....:applause:

Stijloor.

Tampa is 4-10 in its last 10 games vs. Carolina.

4-10 in its last 10 games?? Wouldn't one have to play 14 games to go 4-10?? ;)

4-10 in its last 10 games?? Wouldn't one have to play 14 games to go 4-10?? ;)

Sorry I misread the data. But now it is history. I will correct the numbers.

I'm a huge Packer fan, but this won't be their year.:nope:
It's a long season, but by the end I think you'll see Dallas, the Giants and Carolina fighting for the NFC. Dallas can't seem to win the big game so I think Carolina will be there (even though they just lost yesterday).
A lot of teams are starting slow in the AFC, but I expect to see Indy and San Diego in the end. Denver and Pittsburg will fade with injuries. The team to watch out for is Jacksonville, but if they fall behind I'm not sure they can come back.
Should be interesting.

Here is some data for week 7. It may not be accurate:

Steelers at Bengals: PIT is 6-0-1 in its past 7 at Cin.

Cowboys at Rams: Dal is 4-2 in its past 6 games on the road vs STL. STL is 2-5 in its past 7 games vs Dallas.

New Orleans at Panthers: CAR is 0-5 in the past 5 games at home to NOR

I'm pleased with the effort by the Lions yesterday, it was the first time all year they seemed to take some pride in what they are doing.


You mean, except for the QB walking around outside the end zone?

I'm pleased with the effort by the Lions yesterday, it was the first time all year they seemed to take some pride in what they are doing.

I agree. Unfortunately the lions had those two bad calls to deal with. Not much you can do when you have to play the other team plus the refs at the same time. I think you could write a major for a complete breakdown of the NFL quality system that the ref's were following yesterday. 6.2.2 Competence, awareness and training - no evidence could be found.

tlonkey

You mean, except for the QB walking around outside the end zone?

I said I was pleased with the effort - he didn't walk, he ran like a sissy :)

I agree. Unfortunately the lions had those two bad calls to deal with. Not much you can do when you have to play the other team plus the refs at the same time. I think you could write a major for a complete breakdown of the NFL quality system that the ref's were following yesterday. 6.2.2 Competence, awareness and training - no evidence could be found.

tlonkey

The Johnson fumble was ruled a fumble and after seeing the replay it seemed inconclusive to me. Pass interference is too subjective.

I agree. Unfortunately the lions had those two bad calls to deal with. Not much you can do when you have to play the other team plus the refs at the same time. I think you could write a major for a complete breakdown of the NFL quality system that the ref's were following yesterday. 6.2.2 Competence, awareness and training - no evidence could be found.

tlonkey


I have seen a lot of that this season.

Seems like the officiating has broken down all over the league, and the officials are making calls which are questionable at best, that end up costing teams games.

How about Denver's DB getting literally thrown to the ground by the receiver, and then getting flagged for making contact?

I'm affraid I am loosing hope for my Pats. I knew Brady was good, but I didn't realize how much he really held the team together. I guess we were bound for a so so year to happen after 5 good years.

I'm affraid I am loosing hope for my Pats. I knew Brady was good, but I didn't realize how much he really held the team together. I guess we were bound for a so so year to happen after 5 good years.

It also hurts when you are not allowed to cheat anymore by stealing the signals. Heck I could be a good QB if I knew what play the defense was running as well. :lmao:

:rolleyes: whatever makes you feel better about loosing to them :D

After thinking the Lions had lost their mind when I heard they turned down the Cowboys offer of a 1st round pick for Roy Williams, I must say I was ecstatic to hear they got a 1st, 3rd and 6th for Roy and a 7th. A great deal for the Lions, they need depth and lets hope the next GM can at least draft half way decent.