We had a rep from UL (our registrar) tell us that TS16949 will be released shortly after the ISO9000:2000 update. According to him, the TS16949 has already been reformatted and is just waiting for the ISO9000 release. Anyone else hear this?

I have been told the same thing. I have also been told that there is a final draft version out there. Does someone know where to find this?

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William P. Budd

I have just obtained a copy of this draft but have not had ample time to review it in depth. It definitely has been structured along the lines of ISO 9000:2000.

Let's share!!!!!!!!!!

ASD... http://16949.com/ubb/smile.gif

i got the aiag on the telephone and asked whats going on with the revised ts16949 and this is what they tell me.
1. in december y2k each section of iso9k2k was allocated to various groups to decide what additional auto requirements would need to be applied.
2. the groups reported back to an iatf meeting in march 2001 in the usa and a first draft of the second edition was made. they don't seem to have told many people.
3. a second draft was prepared and was discussed last week in paris, france. that meeting should result in a final draft which is to be sent to iso in switzerland. that dtraft will be available july.
4. another meeting is scheduled for september in birmingham, england to discuss any feedback.
5. the second edition will then be published in january 2002.

Originally posted by ScottBagley:
I have just obtained a copy of this draft but have not had ample time to review it in depth. It definitely has been structured along the lines of ISO 9000:2000.

Dear S. Bagley,

We are an ISO 9001:1994 certified company operating in the Netherlands.
Before the end of 2003 we have to update our quality system. The question
has rised: which specification we should introduce, the ISO 9001:2000 or the
new (upcoming) release of TS 16949. To do a good suggestion to our
management team is usefull to now what's involved with the new TS 16949.

In the Cayman Cove Forum I have red that you have obtained a copy of the
draft of the new ISO/TS 16949. I would be very pleased if you send my a copy
of that draft by e-mail (e.hol@bakkermagnetics.com) or post.

Post adress:
Bakker Magnetics
Att. E. Hol
Sciencepark Eindhoven 5502
5692 EL Son
The Netherlands

Or, if it is not possible, could you give me an adress were I can get one.

Thanks in advance, greetings,
Bakker Magnetics,


Eric Hol
Logistics & Quality assurance


[This message has been edited by Eric Hol (edited 06 July 2001).]

Let us not forget http://www.iaob.org

Other closely related links are: http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000049.html

and
http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000091.html

and
http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000083.html

The latest from the IAOB is at http://www.iaob.org/iatfpr/iatf_communique_1000_files/frame.htm

Edited 17 December 2001

I can't re-lookup and change every old link to posts in the old forums. Most of them *should* still be there. If you want to find the post in the New forums, if the link to the thread in the old forums works (most of them should...), look at the thread (topic) title and what forum it is in. Then back here in the New forums - go to that forum and look for the thread topic title - OR - do a Search for the key words from Title (Note - you can search entire threads or just the 'subject' or 'title' - if you look in the Forums search page you'll see the options.

Call me lazy... :rolleyes:

And I quote:

IATF Communique - October 4th 2000

In accordance with its plan, the International Automotive Task Force is working on the alignment of ISO/TS 16949:1999 with ISO 9001:2000.

The revised version of ISO/TS 16949 is expected to be published by March 2002, in accordance with the requirements for review of an ISO Technical Specification within three years.

The transition from the current version of ISO/TS 16949 will align with the arrangements for introduction of ISO 9001:2000, which are defined by IAF, ISO/TC176 and ISO/CASCO in their communique dated September 27, 1999, reference ISO/TC 176* N488.

Certification to ISO/TS 16949:1999, in accordance with the IATF registration scheme, will continue to be recognised by subscribing members to IATF throughout the transition period for ISO9001:1994 to ISO 9001:2000.

There are no plans to revise the existing automotive catalogues AVSQ94, EAQF94, QS9000, and VDA 6.1 during this period.

Originally posted by Eric Hol:
Dear S. Bagley,

The question has rised: which specification we should introduce, the ISO 9001:2000 or the
new (upcoming) release of TS 16949.

Just as a suggestion, I have been looking at TS certification for my company this year. We are going to go for it, but we are already both QS9000 and VDA 6.1 certified. the delta to TS is minimal. TS mostly contains QS9000 requirements and so the jump from ISO top TS is not to be underestimated. If you dont specifically need the automotive level of certification - go for 9001:2000 and wait to see how the revised TS looks.

Andrew Morgan

Just a word about TS-16949. I work for a Japanese company that is a supplier to all of the automotive OEM's. The word on the street here is that Toyota has indicated that they will embrace the new standard when it is released as ISO-16949.

true or false: the current japanese companies (1st or 2nd tier) are not certifed to any of the iso or qs standards? i.e. the toyotas, nissans, etc do not require (presently) any certification to iso / qs / ts 16949..?

True, as far as I know.

I'm not really sure what the whole scoop on Honda and the rest are. I did some work for Lucas 2 years ago and Honda had their own set of requirements. There was no 'QS' or ISO requirement per se, but Honda's requirements reflected the basics of ISO9000/QS9000.

The bottom line as I currently understand it is each has their own systems including their own specific supplier requirements rather than QS-9000 or ISO 9000.

That said, from above:

-> The word on the street here is that Toyota has indicated
-> that they will embrace the new standard when it is
-> released as ISO-16949.

I have no idea if they are requireing, or will require, a 'passdown' of requirements to Tier 2's. The pacific rim in general has not been big in the ISO belief world but it is 'catching the fever'. ISO 9001 has 'won'.

As a sidebar, whether the 14001 document will ever catch on in the US is anyone's guess.

Honda has gone so far on Honda QAV