Is it documented anywhere in ISO that a scrap area has to be taped off in red? Does it have to be locked? Or can it just need to be Identified in any manner that one chooses so long that it is visible?
I am having a disagreement with one of my VP's.

Thanks,

Kris

Is it documented anywhere in ISO that a scrap area has to be taped off in red? Does it have to be locked? Or can it just need to be Identified in any manner that one chooses so long that it is visible?
I am having a disagreement with one of my VP's.

Thanks,

Kris

There is nothing in ISO9001 that requires that it be locked. It does however require that you identify and segregate the nonconforming material.

If your Nonconforming Material procedure requires that you lock it up then you need to follow the defined process.

Is it documented anywhere in ISO that a scrap area has to be taped off in red? Does it have to be locked? Or can it just need to be Identified in any manner that one chooses so long that it is visible?
I am having a disagreement with one of my VP's.

Thanks,

Kris

No, Kris. In fact ISO (9001) simply requires non-conforming product to be identified. It's nice to be able to have it segregated but not always practical.

Now, if you are talking 'scrap' - that is, ncp after being 'dispositioned', then no, that's not really required, either. Some places like to put 'scrap' on containers etc. so everyone knows what's in there and management can get a good 'visual' of how much scrap they're producing - since it's the least desirable version of non-conforming product (it representa a lot of money)

8.3 Control of nonconforming product
Shall ensure that product which does not conform to product requirements is identified and controlled to prevent its unintended use or delivery.
The controls and related responsibilities and authorities for dealing with nonconforming product shall be defined in a documented procedure.

Pretty much what this says is what ever your procedure states is what you must do. If your procedure states it has to have red tape and or be locked up that is what you need to do, or change your procedure.:2cents:

Thanks

I just needed some clarification. Out of curiosity, TS doesn't require it to be locked either correct? God I love the Cove!:agree1:

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I just needed some clarification. Out of curiosity, TS doesn't require it to be locked either correct? God I love the Cove!:agree1:

Locking? No, as long as you effectively prevent product mix.

BTW, the best way to deal with nonconforming product is not to make it!! ;)


Stijloor.

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I just needed some clarification. Out of curiosity, TS doesn't require it to be locked either correct? God I love the Cove!:agree1:

Not unless it has a high value...........There are, of course, places (printers for example) where even scrap product has a high value (not just gold etc.) ad might just need to be kept locked up. And there was one place where Productio folks would take NCp just to keep the assembly process going, to make their numbers each month, when they had shortages.........:notme:

Here is another quandry I am in. We are a small (less than 10 operators) CNC Machine shop, The operators like to use cosmetic srap as set-up pieces for their machines. I am not sure how to control this without outlawing this across the board. Management supports the use of set-up pieces because it results in less scrap overall. Has anyone out in the Cove ever had to deal with something like this?:confused:

Here is another quandry I am in. We are a small (less than 10 operators) CNC Machine shop, The operators like to use cosmetic srap as set-up pieces for their machines. I am not sure how to control this without outlawing this across the board. Management supports the use of set-up pieces because it results in less scrap overall. Has anyone out in the Cove ever had to deal with something like this?:confused:

That is the best material to use. Our company (we have over 100 CNC machines) does it that way. One suggestion to make it work better for you, would be to paint the parts red to identify the as Nonconforming. You will need to define this in your Nonconforming Material process/procedure.

Here is another quandry I am in. We are a small (less than 10 operators) CNC Machine shop, The operators like to use cosmetic srap as set-up pieces for their machines. I am not sure how to control this without outlawing this across the board. Management supports the use of set-up pieces because it results in less scrap overall. Has anyone out in the Cove ever had to deal with something like this?:confused:

These scrap parts have now become tools for the set-up process. That's fine, as long as they are identified/separated as such. Find a way to uniquely identify them as such by marking, painting, a separate box or bin, etc.

When asked, the operators should be able to respond to, for example an auditor's question, how this material is handled.

Stijloor.

That is the best material to use. Our company (we have over 100 CNC machines) does it that way. One suggestion to make it work better for you, would be to paint the parts red to identify the as Nonconforming. You will need to define this in your Nonconforming Material process/procedure.

Or you can tag them with the part number, revision level and as set-up pieces. You can also list set-up scenrio's, which machine the part run's best on, what machine it does not run well on. etc. etc.:cool:

Or you can tag them with the part number, revision level and as set-up pieces. You can also list set-up scenrio's, which machine the part run's best on, what machine it does not run well on. etc. etc.:cool:

That works well to. Just make sure that you define the process in the Nonconforming Material procedure.