My friend works for chemical supplier of the automotive industry.
They want to achieve ISO/TS 16949 certificate.
They have three processes:
In 1st – they achieve caprolactam
In 2nd – they achieve polyamide (polimerization)
In 3rd – they achieve final modified plastic granulate (compounding)
They want to certify only compounding (3rd process) and they want to have only compounding in scope of the certification.
In your opinion – is it possible?!

My friend works for chemical supplier of the automotive industry.
They want to achieve ISO/TS 16949 certificate.
They have three processes:
In 1st – they achieve caprolactam
In 2nd – they achieve polyamide (polimerization)
In 3rd – they achieve final modified plastic granulate (compounding)
They want to certify only compounding (3rd process) and they want to have only compounding in scope of the certification.
In your opinion – is it possible?!


Not if products they make for automotive customers uses more than the 3rd process.

If the 3rd process is the one used for the final product and the first 2 processes are used to produce "ingredients" for the outgoing product, the answer is yes.

But, even though the first 2 processes don't get listed in the scope of certification, they obviously must satisfy the QMS and TS requirements.

You cannot claim that material produced on site is "raw material" purchased and thus only control it at incoming inspection.

FAQ 6, to rules Rules 2nd Edition Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) (http://www.iatfglobaloversight.org/docs/Released%20Rules%202nd%20Edition%20FAQs%20Revisions%2018%20June%202007.pdf)
“Where the supplier is at the same physical location as the organization, the supplier shall be audited as part of the organization see Rules 1.7.”
I am not sure what the 3rd edition says

If the 3rd process is the one used for the final product and the first 2 processes are used to produce "ingredients" for the outgoing product, the answer is yes.
Yes. This is such situation. Sequence of processes: 1 caprolactam achievement - 2 polimerization - 3 compounding. For compounding they need poliamide from polimerization, and for polimerization they need caprolactam.

But, even though the first 2 processes don't get listed in the scope of certification, they obviously must satisfy the QMS and TS requirements.
1st and 2nd process conforms to the ISO 9001 requirements (with ISO 9001certificate).

1st and 2nd process conforms to the ISO 9001 requirements (with ISO 9001certificate).If they are located at the same site, they would need to comply with the TS requirements.

I suppose the final answer is that it depends on if they can sell it to their assessor. But I would be surprised that an assessor would buy off on that. Now, if they had a dedicated area to molding the plastic into parts that were non-automotive, it becomes a little more common that the molding area might be only ISO - especially if they mold no automotive parts at all. :cool: