Marc
13th June 2000, 02:15 AM
From: ISO Standards Discussion <jennejohnn@uwstout.edu>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:19:43 -0500
Subject: Re: ISO 10013 /Garrow/Miller
From: Ray.Miller@dol.net (Ray Miller)
> Abby Garrow inquires:
> I was wondering if any of you have the ISO 10013 book, which is
> Guidelines for Developing a Quality Manual and if you do, if it is easy
> to follow and would benefit me...
I have just received my copies of Q10013 and A8402. Q10013 provides clear and straightforward advice which, as Jake Hodges says, will probably make a good checklist. As for it's annexes, which show a theoretical implementation, bah. The prototypical format is clearly designed to satisfy auditors, but is equally clearly not actually used by ISO/ASQ.
I note with a certain amount of puzzlement, why do Q10013's annexes describe a manual which in no way relates to the form or format of an actual ISO/ASQ manual? I answer myself, because the prototypical manual format is designed, it appears to me, to be wrong from the start - and then, at the instigation of auditors, to be fixed. Yet the actual ISO/ASQ manuals are intended to be correct and letter-perfect from the start, and when revised, reviewed and updated en toto, not one page or part at a time.
Ray
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:19:43 -0500
Subject: Re: ISO 10013 /Garrow/Miller
From: Ray.Miller@dol.net (Ray Miller)
> Abby Garrow inquires:
> I was wondering if any of you have the ISO 10013 book, which is
> Guidelines for Developing a Quality Manual and if you do, if it is easy
> to follow and would benefit me...
I have just received my copies of Q10013 and A8402. Q10013 provides clear and straightforward advice which, as Jake Hodges says, will probably make a good checklist. As for it's annexes, which show a theoretical implementation, bah. The prototypical format is clearly designed to satisfy auditors, but is equally clearly not actually used by ISO/ASQ.
I note with a certain amount of puzzlement, why do Q10013's annexes describe a manual which in no way relates to the form or format of an actual ISO/ASQ manual? I answer myself, because the prototypical manual format is designed, it appears to me, to be wrong from the start - and then, at the instigation of auditors, to be fixed. Yet the actual ISO/ASQ manuals are intended to be correct and letter-perfect from the start, and when revised, reviewed and updated en toto, not one page or part at a time.
Ray
