Can Non-conformities be booked against clauses identified as General in ISO 9001:2000 i,e 4.1,4.2.1,5.6.1,6.2.1,8.1?

Yes they can, but it would be real, real low hanging fruit and definitely Major in nature. Basically a NC against those would indicate to me that nothing correct or comforming is happening in all the sub-clauses.

Yes they can, but it would be real, real low hanging fruit and definitely Major in nature. Basically a NC against those would indicate to me that nothing correct or comforming is happening in all the sub-clauses.

Randy,

Didn't you serve under General Clauses in the Marine Corps? Maybe he was only a colonel back then.

Randy,

Didn't you serve under General Clauses in the Marine Corps? Maybe he was only a colonel back then.


Actually it was General Orders we served under and there 11 of them:lol:

Actually it was General Orders we served under and there 11 of them:lol:

Last time I checked, we still only had three in the Army.

1. I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved.

2. I will obey my special orders and perform all of my duties in a military manner.

3. I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies, and anything not covered in my instructions to the commander of the relief.

:lol:
Regards,
al40

Last time I checked, we still only had three in the Army.

1. I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved.

2. I will obey my special orders and perform all of my duties in a military manner.

3. I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies, and anything not covered in my instructions to the commander of the relief.

:lol:
Regards,
al40

Way, way :topic:

That's why the song says:

"When the Army and the Navy look on Heaven's scene, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines"

Semper Fi

Now back on topic......

One should refrain from writing against the "Leading Clause" of any section like 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 because of the lack of specificty in doing so. Each of the "Leading clauses" for the most part just generalizes the section listing the primary issues and we actually need to get down into the weeds of the 4.2.1, 5.2.1, 6.2.2, 7.3.2, 8.2.3 type requirements to effectively identify where non-fulfillment occurs so "the actual problem" can be corrected and not some broadbased general requirement.

Agreed, there is seldom anything specific enough in the general clauses - especially 6.1. While I am at it, what is the point of clause 4.2.1? All it does is confuse people by mentioning things that are explained later e.g. quality policy.:mad:

Could someone give me a hand down from this soapbox please?

Agreed, there is seldom anything specific enough in the general clauses - especially 6.1. While I am at it, what is the point of clause 4.2.1? All it does is confuse people by mentioning things that are explained later e.g. quality policy.:mad:

Could someone give me a hand down from this soapbox please?

Yeah, the way I understand it the intent was to provide an overview into the General requirements in the section as an introduction.

Either that or someone had stock in an ink company.:lol: