Hello to everyone,
I’m new here and I hope that I found right discussion.
Company where I work (we have TS16949) had bought company with similar product-stamping parts (without TS).
As they don't use checking device for process approval (around 400 different parts) they use 3D measuring machine.
I wonder if there is some device such as 3d camera or scanner which is enough fast that can measure 5 parts let say 10 min.
I want to post part picture, but It looks that I’m not very active on forum.

I don't know the complexity of the product you are talking about or how much your company is willing to invest... But have you looked into camera operated vision systems such as cognex or portable CMM's like Faro technologies, who offers a laser scanner?

The technology and integration companies are readily available if you know what you want and how much you are willing to spend.

<snip> I want to post part picture, but It looks that I’m not very active on forum.

Yes you are correct. You need a minimum of 5 or 10 posts (I believe) before links or uploads can be done.

If you already have one or more CMM's, you could investigate the use of a 3D CMM scanner, like the ones offered by Metris. Of course, all depends on the application.

If you already have one or more CMM's, you could investigate the use of a 3D CMM scanner, like the ones offered by Metris. Of course, all depends on the application.

Do you have a relationship with Metris?

Stijloor.

Yes, I do, but mentioning it was by meant by means of example as in Swartwood's reply.

There is plenty of technology to do the measuring, but if you have to do that much measurement, maybe you should be looking at the processes and see if they can be improved to reduce some of the measuring.

There is plenty of technology to do the measuring, but if you have to do that much measurement, maybe you should be looking at the processes and see if they can be improved to reduce some of the measuring.
I also think on that, but after some calculations we got to a price tag above our range (over 1million € for all checking aids), especialy in this difficult time.
Problem is that this company has sell Checking devices to customer but they were never build (money has ben privateized by prevoius owner :mad:).
I will look for this metris company. Maybe they have some solutions fo us.
Thank you for your cooperation.
This is very helpfull forum.

The answer to the original question is yes. There are Vision products that use both cameras and lasers. I have a Vision machine with both.

But you need to look at your part, 2d stamped parts do not require a Metris system to accurately measure them. Although the Metris system is great, I was the Mitutoyo applications engineer working directly with Metris and I have a lot of experience with their product, and would highly recommend them for the right parts. Werth, Mitutoyo, OGP, RAM, Starrett all make a fine vision product.

With a arm cmm I don't think you'll get the measuring time you are requiring "fast enough that can measure 5 parts let say 10 min". But this again depends on your parts. In a vision machine you can stage the parts in rows and columns and the vision machine can loop the program with an offset to repeat the program without you having to stage each part.

A standard vision system will do fine for simple 2d stamped parts.

Mark

Lasers have been used for quite a while for 3D space, cameras are ok, but they typically use pixels for X and Y and focus for Z. Adjusting the focus for the Z location takes 'some' time (in relative terms). Understanding lighting is dead critical. Under higher magnification, they can get confused finding a radius (or similar feature) among tool marks. Also, they are also typically looking at projection, in that any hidden dimensions (undercuts) can be a problem unless you have a very sophisticated system. That is why the handiest systems have multiple sensors - camera, touch probe and laser. But, get out your checkbook... Personally, I just love the OGP programming - which is unique to their system (not PCDMIS), but that is my personal preference. Very easy to train others, especially if they have any CAD experience.

If you are thinking of using a vision system on stampings you will have problems with the reflective surface of the parts.
I have used Metris systems (and other vision systems) with portable arms on stampings for reverse engineering and have had to spray on a non reflective coating in order to acheive accurate results.

If you are thinking of using a vision system on stampings you will have problems with the reflective surface of the parts.
I have used Metris systems (and other vision systems) with portable arms on stampings for reverse engineering and have had to spray on a non reflective coating in order to acheive accurate results.
That depends on what model/year you are referring to. Recent developments (2008) resulted in new scanners with very good ability to scan all sorts of surfaces.
Of course, scanning mate white surfaces will still result in higher accuracy data than scanning shiny surfaces.

The QC group on Linked-in organises a webinar on laser scanning. You can search for '3D Scanning and Reverse Engineering Webinar Schedule' for more info.

You may to review this Quality Digest article that just came out: Laser line scanning provides a quick and effective way to inspect complex parts and surfaces.
(http://www.qualitydigest.com/inside/metrology-article/technology-white-paper-laser-line-scanning.html)