Hi Cove
how are you doing?
I've got a question:
No doubt that the work clothes is a mandatory within the plant and for the workers inside the manufactury.

But what about the administration staff? Does this obligation concern them too ?
Please advice :bigwave:
Thanks in advance

Hi Cove
how are you doing?
I've got a question:
No doubt that the work clothes is a mandatory within the plant and for the workers inside the manufactury.

But what about the administration staff? Does this obligation concern them too ?
Please advice :bigwave:
Thanks in advance

Uniform ("work clothes") policies vary from organization to organization and country (culture) to country. Mandating those policies will also depend on various regulatory requirements. I have a few Japanese clients where everyone in the organization wears a uniform, including the President.

Covers?

Stijloor.

Hi Cove
how are you doing?
I've got a question:
No doubt that the work clothes is a mandatory within the plant and for the workers inside the manufactury.

But what about the administration staff? Does this obligation concern them too ?
Please advice :bigwave:
Thanks in advance

Are you referring to safety clothing/equipment?

Some other few examples include:

Garments intended to prevent ESD on sensitive electronic equipment
Gowning in environmentally controlled areas for mfg of pharma or medical devices or solid state mfg.
Gowning to protect employees own clothes like in machine shops

etc. as indicated above it varies from sector to sector and intent could be either to protect the product, protect the employee, to protect the work envitonment or all

Our local business culture is Michigan, USA. Our company generally expects, for the managerial and adminstrative staff:

Slacks and an open shirt for men, Monday-Thursday. Women wear something comparable, i.e. slacks or a skirt, and a conservative shirt/blouse. No sneakers. Usually flat or medium-height shoes for women...no tall heels. No "dress to impress".

Fridays, neat blue jeans and a shirt. That includes senior management.

This is effectively a uniform. Mild deviation is permitted, but noticed.

For those personnel who are in on a Saturday, more or less anything goes as long as it's clean, safe and non-distracting. The President sometimes comes in in jeans, sneakers and a sweatshirt.

Customers visiting: maybe one step up, i.e. involved men/women might wear a sportjacket. Most of our visitors know us, and come informal. For those guests who may show up in suits, sometimes direct male participants will wear a suit and tie, or at least a sportjacket and tie. Females, sometimes a suit or dress.

Sales calls: generally suits, even if the customer's culture is informal.

Trade shows: always suits.

Some other few examples include:

Garments intended to prevent ESD on sensitive electronic equipment
Gowning in environmentally controlled areas for mfg of pharma or medical devices or solid state mfg.
Gowning to protect employees own clothes like in machine shops

etc. as indicated above it varies from sector to sector and intent could be either to protect the product, protect the employee, to protect the work envitonment or all

"Work clothes" could be suit and tie, depending on the work being done.

"Work clothes" could be suit and tie, depending on the work being done.

I refuse to wear a tie. And I'm not that keen on suits. :D

I once worked for an employer (actually at the time I first found the Cove!) who required us all to wear color-coded shirts determined by department and/or position. Sort of like the Starship Enterprise, but not nearly as cool.

Thankfully, I now work for a company that just asks us to please use our own common sense in choosing our attire.

I once worked for an employer (actually at the time I first found the Cove!) who required us all to wear color-coded shirts determined by department and/or position.

Oh. My. God. :mg: That's a first.

Was there any 'good' reason for this or did someone just like to label everyone?

Oh. My. God. :mg: That's a first.

Was there any 'good' reason for this or did someone just like to label everyone?

Perhaps the CEO just wanted a visual cue to know what sort of person he was going to be hollering at before he started hollering? Don't know, might have been something to do with the CEO having been a retired career naval officer and just liked the idea of easily interpreted uniforms.

Administration/office staff - I think an employer has a right to expect or set some reasonable dress codes. And the more there is a likelihood of contact with outsiders/customers etc, the more (I think) they have a right to require 'normal community standards of work dress'.

I am not by any means a fuddy duddy, but I have seen (to my astonishment) women come work in fairly conservative places (banks, insurance companies and the like) in clothing that I would only consider suitable for outside work/social situations. Eg, plunging necklines, strapless tops leaving very, very little to the imagination (other than - I wonder if that will stay on if she reaches up to the top shelf?) etc. And both genders in T-shirts with highly offensive/questionable slogans, 4-letter words, etc, very lowslung jeans/slacks (exposing large sections of bare midriff in front, and letting you know what underwear they were wearing at the back), looking like they were about to hit the beach (thongs & tatty shorts etc).

I don't really want to work with someone's cleavage 'in my face' (front or rear cleavage), and I really hate having to look at large and ugly studs in all kinds of painful-looking and abnormal places beyond earlobes. If I walk into a shop/resatuarant or similar where that's on display, I find somewhere else.

The hard part is often defining 'normal & reasonable' standards without sounding like a dictator. In my experience, 'unwritten customs' usually work perfectly fine... except or until one or two people really push the boundaries.

might have been something to do with the CEO having been a retired career naval officer and just liked the idea of easily interpreted uniforms.

Think you might be right. I wonder if he did what one dear ex-colleague of mine (ex naval also) once confessed he used to do? As in the navy, he'd don white gloves to inspect horizontal surfaces at home such as mantle piece over the fire, book shelves, etc. And chastise his wife if he picked up dust on them! (He did say he was sorry for it now, and had since learned better).

Hi Cove
how are you doing?
I've got a question:
No doubt that the work clothes is a mandatory within the plant and for the workers inside the manufactury.

But what about the administration staff? Does this obligation concern them too ?
Please advice :bigwave:
Thanks in advance

Our (small) company supplies company clothing (admin. & works) for free e.g. shirts, polo shirts, blouses, jumpers and cardigans – with company logos, plus black trousers/skirts and ties. It’s not mandatory to wear the stuff, but every little helps money wise.:2cents:

Thanks Folks for replies
Yes Jim this is uniform for employees which are working in manufacturing. Kind of jeans and jacket!

In my mind the Uniform is required to protect the product, protect the employee, to protect the work environment or all as Arios said.
As Said Jane, in any kind of organization, the reasonable dress code is required. But as well as all the people don’t brook these rules, Can the organization mandatory these wearing even for staff which work on office!

Legally what is required?
:thanx:

Thanks Folks for replies
Yes Jim this is uniform for employees which are working in manufacturing. Kind of jeans and jacket!

In my mind the Uniform is required to protect the product, protect the employee, to protect the work environment or all as Arios said.
As Said Jane, in any kind of organization, the reasonable dress code is required. But as well as all the people don’t brook these rules, Can the organization mandatory these wearing even for staff which work on office!

Legally what is required?
:thanx:


This is what happened a few years ago due to the UKs Sex Discrimination Act, i.e. make such things mandatory at your peril! An extract from the Daily Telegraph.

Published: 10:42AM GMT 13 Feb 2004

The Government's biggest department has offered to allow its male staff to come to work without a tie if thousands of compensation claims are dropped.

Around 8,000 men working at Jobcentres were preparing to claim compensation for being forced to wear a tie after a clerk at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) won an employment tribunal claim of sex discrimination last year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1454209/No-tie-but-an-all-out-win-in-dress-code-dispute.html

Thanks for article
i would read it

Thanks Folks for replies
Yes Jim this is uniform for employees which are working in manufacturing. Kind of jeans and jacket!

In my mind the Uniform is required to protect the product, protect the employee, to protect the work environment or all as Arios said.
As Said Jane, in any kind of organization, the reasonable dress code is required. But as well as all the people don’t brook these rules, Can the organization mandatory these wearing even for staff which work on office!

Legally what is required?
:thanx:

Selena,

That is a very difficult question to answer because the laws in Morocco and many other countries are different from each other. Is there an Employers organization in your area that can help you with legal questions?

Stijloor.

Hi Stijloor
the query wasn't launched by local top managment, but from the back office abroad.
The remark was donewhen they notify that some temporary workers inside manufacturing area were differently dressed and according their mood.

I'm not meaning provocative clothes, just different from the permanent manufacturing staff.
Localy, when they've get this remark, the local responsible has decided to provide and request for all staff, even the support departments ( HR, Purchase...) to be dressed with this uniform.
This is why many people from support staff are :confused::mad: and are suprised by this reaction
It isn't moroccan law and the question is if some refuse to wear this uniform, what they will face as well as it is not legal and they don't work in manufacturing area?

Hi Stijloor
the query wasn't launched by local top managment, but from the back office abroad.
The remark was donewhen they notify that some temporary workers inside manufacturing area were differently dressed and according their mood.

I'm not meaning provocative clothes, just different from the permanent manufacturing staff.
Localy, when they've get this remark, the local responsible has decided to provide and request for all staff, even the support departments ( HR, Purchase...) to be dressed with this uniform.
This is why many people from support staff are :confused::mad: and are suprised by this reaction
It isn't moroccan law and the question is if some refuse to wear this uniform, what they will face as well as it is not legal and they don't work in manufacturing area?

Selena,

I am lost here because the way you described the situation looks more like an internal issue to me. Is it your parent company that imposes the uniform rule? And are some folks refusing to wear it?

Stijloor.

If the uniform is a subsidy, issued by the company to employees, it should be wear.

I failed to see a good reason why it should not be worn. Otherwise, you are pregnant and you are excuse in wearing the company prescribed uniforms during the course of their pregnancy. Are you?;)

But as well as all the people don’t brook these rules, Can the organization mandatory these wearing even for staff which work on office!

That is not a simple question. It depends upon the legislation and regulations that apply to your company (including industrial) and to your field of operations and of course in your country.

If it's legislated that people must wear protective gear, or suitable clothing in (say) a food manufacturing environment, or construction, then they must. If you work as a chef, I'm not interested in whether you 'prefer' to wear long, loose hair or not: you'll either tie it back & cover it... or leave. Simple as that.

But other things are far less clear cut. I seem to recall here (Australia) some guy wanted to wear a kaftan to work - it was the 70s. He sued his employer for the right to do that, and won, based on (I believe) legislation enforcing equality of opportunity. He argued that it was discriminatory for women to be able to wear dresses and for men not. But that's a slightly different thing from, say, wearing 'inappropriate' dress.

Some years back I was a partner in a couple of bookshops. I had to explain to a manager of one of them that staffing the front desk in tatty shorts with ragged hems and an ancient t-shirt just wasn't OK - it was a 'serve the public' position and I wanted someone who dressed according to reasonable norms. And I certainly didn't want him to look as though we didn't pay him enough to buy any reasonable clothes! Call centres are often more relaxed with their staff, and may allow them to dress as they like. Fair enough - the public never sees them.

Bottom line: I think this is a question a knowledgeable lawyer in your country should answer. Or an HR specialist with adequate information for your country and field.

the query wasn't launched by local top managment, but from the back office abroad.
The remark was donewhen they notify that some temporary workers inside manufacturing area were differently dressed and according their mood.

I'm not meaning provocative clothes, just different from the permanent manufacturing staff. Localy, when they've get this remark, the local responsible has decided to provide and request for all staff, even the support departments ( HR, Purchase...) to be dressed with this uniform.
This is why many people from support staff are :confused::mad: and are suprised by this reaction
It isn't moroccan law and the question is if some refuse to wear this uniform, what they will face as well as it is not legal and they don't work in manufacturing area?
Sounds like a possible 'overkill' reaction to a relatively small internal issue. If they haven't had to wear uniform before, and they don't work in an area where it's essential (eg, for protection) - why? I'd be less than thrilled myself.

I hate to dress up for work. But since we need to represent the company we are required to dress professionally. As stated dress codes vary from company to company. The company's culture at tiimes dictates the dress code.

Hi Friends
Thanks for replies
Stijloor, The back office in Europe has issued this remark and our local responsible, as feedback took the decision to provide anyone in Cie with this “uniform”!.
I’ve asked one local consultant and he’s knowledge on regulations matters. He told me that it up to company. If it is a policy of company, we’ve got to comply with. But it isn’t policy of company, many staff here look at it just as to be pleasant with back office which make them anger.

(DQApprentice: if the uniform is a subsidy, issued by the company to employees. It should be worn.)In my previous job, they had provided uniforms to all staff but just the manufacturing employees were obliged to wear its.

About your second remark, I’m not pregnant, nor my colleagues :tg:
but what is the add value to wear its for people which is not have contact within the goods and manufacturing issues and don’t meet even the clients to say they have to show a label or whatever idea to them!

I’m agreeing with you Jane and all that are known but we don’t have any of this conditions.
Once again, the angers people which were surprised by this request don’t have any contact with client, and not spend their days within the manufacturing area of the company but in the administration office; enough far from the plant!

Nobody wear inappropriate clothes or wants come with kaftan J . As well as nobody here will come to work or even get out from home improperly dressed, we like to be well dressed in general.

This is why i asked if in this condition, can employees feel free to not wear this uniforms

:thanx:

Oh dear, sounds like a reactive, simplistic decision over a relatively small matter but that's just about sure to annoy everyone. :nope:

In our industry the (steel service) the uniforms are part of PPE, all cotton for anyone who works with electrical or torches. Long sleeves in other areas for protection as well. We require them to wear the uniforms.:o

In my opinion, and only an opinion, not law or even a lot of empirical data, a requirement to wear a uniform can be be broken down into the following categories


safety -(for the employee, such as fireproof, snag proof, chemical proof, etc.)
protection for the product (clean room type stuff, for example)
economic benefit for employees - not having to buy special wardrobe for work
easy identification of employee for non-employee (so-called "career clothing," whether blazers in banks or logo T-shirts or polos for resort staff)
a boss's whim (he wants what he wants)

If you are the boss imposing a uniform, you should be honest and straightforward about the REAL reason.

If you are the employee told to wear a uniform, your primary concern should be fit and comfort, otherwise, grin and bear it - the only alternate is to work elsewhere.

Note: uniforms are different from dress codes - Uniforms are [should be] supplied by the organization without expense to the employee, subject to normal wear and tear; dress codes are often fraught with catering to "some" individual's 's inflated sense of propriety or modesty and how it may affect an organization's reputation or bottom line. Dress codes are often inflicted on employee populations without regard to the economic impact on the employee.

I believe that all employees should wear clothes at work.

I can only think of one industry where clothing in the workplace would be optional. :notme:

I believe that all employees should wear clothes at work.

I can only think of one industry where clothing in the workplace would be optional. :notme:See what I mean about "some" individual's inflated sense of propriety or modesty and how it may affect an organization's reputation or bottom line.:lmao::lmao::lmao:

There was a time back when I was a hot-blooded teen with raging hormones - I could have shoveled snow in the nude and been warm enough. Now - my fingers and toes go numb if the temperature drops below 72 degrees Fahrenheit:mg: